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[DnD] Let's Cast Magic Missile!
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Old Mar 17, 2010, 09:29 PM #3851 of 4001
Also, a Skill Challenge is a form of encounter like any other, so by all means use any of your items / powers that have utility outside combat! Glock has a Lucky Charm, Gordok has Skittering Sneak, etc etc

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Old Mar 17, 2010, 10:03 PM Local time: Mar 18, 2010, 11:03 AM #3852 of 4001
Heh, didn't know that. I think of all the current players, only Garr has played through a skill challenge...

So, what does combat advantage do for you in a skill challenge? (Wanna use changeling trick, but...)

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Old Mar 17, 2010, 10:19 PM #3853 of 4001
It does nothing. It says "combat" right on the label, doesn't it?

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Old Mar 17, 2010, 10:24 PM Local time: Mar 17, 2010, 09:24 PM 3 #3854 of 4001
yes

but it also says "advantage" so zerg wants to use it

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Old Mar 17, 2010, 10:38 PM Local time: Mar 18, 2010, 11:38 AM #3855 of 4001
Aw shucks, so it's just shapeshifting for me then... What a useless racial encounter power Changeling Trick is for ranged people

Now's a good time to bust out that Bard Utility 6! Too bad you already used Bluff so that Words of Friendship is useless!

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Old Mar 18, 2010, 06:07 AM Local time: Mar 18, 2010, 12:07 PM #3856 of 4001
Zerg, the fatal flaw in your maths party is the unspecified modifiers Pang said he'd apply to the rolls. Insane villagers might be incredibly susceptible to feats of thievery but almost immune to bluffing for all you know.

Also, I'm amazed none of you suggested some Shaun of the Dead style zombie impersonation.

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Old Mar 18, 2010, 06:10 AM Local time: Mar 18, 2010, 07:10 PM #3857 of 4001
Nah Shin, I'm resigned to the fact that we'll have to indulge in more mass slaughter, or lose some healing surges at the very least. There's no way you can handwave such awful rolls...

(Errrm, he did post a DC. 'Sides, the DM's best friend rule states that any favorable circumstance gives a +2 to whatever you were trying to do, with the reverse for unfavorable circumstances. I can only think of a few exceptions to this +2/-2 thing: trying to steal anything from someone while in combat has -10; shooting something you can't see is -5; being blinded or deafened has -10 to perception, running before attacking gives -5 to attack rolls; and being unconscious gives -5 penalty to all defenses.)

Anyway, a maddened crowd may not look kindly on someone trying but failing to snatch away their weapons. Buuuut they might just follow such an inspirational leader!

I figure such spectacular roll failures justify actions which are anything but sneaking quietly through a crowd

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 03:53 AM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 04:53 PM #3858 of 4001
Running before you attack nets you a -2 penalty to defenses and -5 penalty to attacks, until the end of your next turn.

Question, do these also apply to the PC if the mount's the one doing the running?

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:06 AM #3859 of 4001
The rules don't really seem to address it, but I'd say no. Lowering that horse's already-pathetic defenses is punishment enough.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:08 AM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 05:08 PM #3860 of 4001
Totally not my turn yet (I think I'll check back in, oh, maybe 3 days or so) but I don't suppose we could just move north, could we?

What sort of check and action is needed to get off the recessed pit?

Also does Denny have a healing surge?

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:12 AM #3861 of 4001
Well I suppose there's nothing to stop you just taking the stairs back up to street level. Just exit via P-48/P-49. Certainly nothing bad will happen.

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Did you just assume a dude is a dwarf just because he has a beard or what are you talking about

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:28 AM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 05:28 PM #3862 of 4001
Oh, so that's Mayor Geoff, hm? He looks like a dwarf in that picture

Humongous bushy beard? Check.
Lack of a neck? Check.
Walrus mustache? Check.
Big honking nose? Check.
Squat face? Check.


Oh, and a few more mobility questions

1. Dismounting takes a standard action. How 'bout if I jump off? What kind of action (and damage) will that be?
2. My utilities allow me to shift up to wisdom modifier (2). Is this cut in half by difficult terrain?
3. Speaking of which, will you allow my horse to use my utility powers?
4. How do you do the math for running? Rules say, add 2 to your speed. And if the terrain is difficult, your speed is essentially halved. So, if speed is 6, should running in the amphitheater be computed as 6/2 + 2 = 5, or (6+2) / 2 = 4?

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:00 PM #3863 of 4001
1. Dismounting takes a standard action. How 'bout if I jump off? What kind of action (and damage) will that be?
If you want to try to jump off a horse while your feet are still in the stirrups, be my guest. I don't think Denny is tall enough to justify any falling damage, but your ass is guaranteed to be prone afterward.


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2. My utilities allow me to shift up to wisdom modifier (2). Is this cut in half by difficult terrain?
Yup. Difficult terrtain essentially makes each square of movement cost two squares, so you'll "shift 2" and only move 1. (So, by extension, if you can't shift by 2 or better then you can't shift at all.)

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3. Speaking of which, will you allow my horse to use my utility powers?
No. The horse has no class levels in Ranger.

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4. How do you do the math for running? Rules say, add 2 to your speed. And if the terrain is difficult, your speed is essentially halved. So, if speed is 6, should running in the amphitheater be computed as 6/2 + 2 = 5, or (6+2) / 2 = 4?
You're overthinking it; 1 square costs 2 squares. Cal's run speed is 8, so if he was running he'd be able to cover 4 squares. Determine your maximum speed, and adjust from there.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:08 PM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 03:08 PM #3864 of 4001
Forced movement ignores difficult terrain, so how does this change Flute of the Dancing Satyr?

My own movement is not forced, obviously. But what of that of the rest of the party?

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:18 PM #3865 of 4001
The flute doesn't produce forced movement, though. It gives allies the option to shift as a free action.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 04:23 PM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 03:23 PM #3866 of 4001
I understand that, but we've been using it as the former because of that old "just move them to avoid delaying even further" thing, and I was curious if that counted as in game forced movement or not.

Which makes sense that it doesn't. Cool enough, thanks.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 07:50 PM Local time: Mar 22, 2010, 08:50 AM #3867 of 4001
If you want to try to jump off a horse while your feet are still in the stirrups, be my guest. I don't think Denny is tall enough to justify any falling damage, but your ass is guaranteed to be prone afterward.
So, will it still be a standard? Or can it be a minor? Or even free?

I don't wanna lose my 75 gp horsie

You're overthinking it; 1 square costs 2 squares. Cal's run speed is 8, so if he was running he'd be able to cover 4 squares. Determine your maximum speed, and adjust from there.
Normally, that's how I'd interpret it too. I just thought I'd get your interpretation, after seeing how someone on the Wizards Q&A board saw it. S'cool, your game, your rules interpretation.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 07:55 PM 2 #3868 of 4001
Originally Posted by ;748963
So, will it still be a standard? Or can it be a minor?
Yes, Zerg. You may fall off your horse, break your leg, and fall face-first into filthy corpse water as a minor action.

(that WizO boards discussion seems to be about being Slowed, not about terrain)

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 10:21 AM Local time: Mar 22, 2010, 11:21 PM #3869 of 4001
Last question on the topic because I really want to keep that standard to attack and I don't wanna end up prone

Suppose I say I use acrobatics to take a flying leap off the horse, do a somersault, and land on the ground next to it feet-first...

(1) Allow?
(2) If so, DC 15?
(3) Still a minor, or will you rule it a move or standard?

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 08:20 PM #3870 of 4001
You know what, if I allow a paladin to use Acrobatics to run handsfree up a vertical ladder I can't reasonably tell you no on this one.

DC 25, as a move action.

...assuming I don't just murder your horse on my turn and render the issue moot.

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 08:23 PM Local time: Mar 23, 2010, 09:23 AM #3871 of 4001
Indeed. It is my hope that your fairness will trump your harshness this time, and that the horse will at least be given a chance to act before :gluefactory:

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 09:41 PM Local time: Mar 22, 2010, 08:41 PM #3872 of 4001
You know what, if I allow a paladin to use Acrobatics to run handsfree up a vertical ladder I can't reasonably tell you no on this one.

DC 25, as a move action.

...assuming I don't just murder your horse on my turn and render the issue moot.
Yes, but mine was fucking great, whereas Zerg is just a fucking asshat.

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 09:47 PM Local time: Mar 23, 2010, 10:47 AM #3873 of 4001
I <3 you too Deni

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 09:57 PM #3874 of 4001
Zerg's posts are verbose, convoluted, and routinely delivered in strange dialects, but they are prompt.

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Old Mar 22, 2010, 10:00 PM Local time: Mar 22, 2010, 09:00 PM #3875 of 4001
Zerg's posts are verbose, convoluted, and routinely delivered in strange dialects, but they are prompt.
And numerous. So he also fills in the gap between posts by sheer volume.

Much like dirt fills in the space between glorious, beautiful trees.

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