So Whats This 2012 Shit Anyway?

Kudos, Sass =D I've never heard of this, but it's very feasible. As it mentions by usage of "keyhole", there is a sweet-spot that needs to be hit in order for the body to not get brushed aside by our Van Allen belts. It's akin to hitting a ramp in order to make a jump; if you're off, you'll miss or even screw up your trajectory. The drawback is that, given our constraints on sizes we could make these tractor shuttles or bodies, it'd need to be laid well in advance (the "shove" isn't too huge). If those fail, I think that directly plowing in to the asteroid body would be the follow-up; crude, inaccurate, but far more fast in its results.

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Originally Posted by Gechmir

Look at it this way: the only thing I can think of that'd change our rotational direction would be something VERY BIG and VERY HEAVY hitting the planet. Something so big that nothing would survive :V

Elixir falling off his chair.

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The whole premise of the article is that we don't know how many NEOs are out there.

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Experts admit they don't yet know how many so-called Near-Earth Objects (NEOs) orbit close enough to pose a threat.

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"The good news is we have conducted the 'Spaceguard' survey, which has detected most of these very large objects," he said.

"We think we've detected all the NEOs big enough to cause a mass extinction and pretty much eliminated that risk."

Meanwhile smaller objects that can cause significant destruction are currently flying under the radar.

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"The main risk lies with those objects that we have not even found yet," the Space Science Institute's Harris said. "So the most important thing is to continue [surveillance]."

So to say there's "No Way", it could happen is quite wrong. In fact, it is the most likely thing to happen (that we won't see it coming), as any objects discovered and deemed dangerous would be dealt with. Also, "keyholes" only help us when we know about an asteroid (or comet) and can determine what the specific path it needs to take to be on a collision course.

Of course there's always the threat of some random comet coming out of nowhere that we've never seen before; they have been known to have highly eccentric orbits. Something of that nature could have a 100,000 (or however long outside of human history) year orbit and we'd have absolutely no record of them.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Alterminded

We would know about now thanks to the Hubble Space Telescope or any outer space observatorial devices of such an object coming to hit the planet.

Do you have any idea what an impossibly small fraction of space we have under consistent observation? Do you have even the slightest idea? The most detailed and thorough image we have from Hubble is the Deep Field. The Hubble Deep Field is thought to represent roughly one thirteen-millionth of the sky. The observe the entire sky at that level of detail would, with current technology, take over a million years.

Space telescopes are an important and useful development, but omniscient they ain't.

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

Do you have any idea what an impossibly small fraction of space we have under consistent observation? Do you have even the slightest idea? The most detailed and thorough image we have from Hubble is the Deep Field. The Hubble Deep Field is thought to represent roughly one thirteen-millionth of the sky. The observe the entire sky at that level of detail would, with current technology, take over a million years.

Space telescopes are an important and useful development, but omniscient they ain't.

So what you're basically saying is "We won't see it until its right in front of our noses, and then its too late." right? Because what I am implying is we would have ample time to prepare for such an object converging on our planet's orbital trajectory and ample time to do something about it. Not like a NEO is going to just appear out of nowhere and we will just have to brace for impact...

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The observe the entire sky at that level of detail would, with current technology, take over a million years.

The deep field image is also pretty much all galaxies, and I don't think it's the way we'd go about looking for asteroids. It would be like trying to find an elephant on the savanna using a microscope.

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I'm only using it as an example of how silly it is to assume that we'll automatically see any significant objects just because oh gee we got some telescopes. I'm not falling into Nehmi's predictable repent-the-end-is-near attitudes, but saying the issue is like TOTALLY TAKEN CARE OF, NO WORRIES is a little naive. Also naive is the notion that a collision-course object would automatically be dealt with, should it be observed. We'll just send the Space Marines, yeah?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

We might require more Vespene Gas to do that.

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But what about the mobile suits?!


Also see Sass' post for more info about changing trajectories and whatnot. It seems possible and likely. Also I am for sending mass amounts of weaponry into space to divert such crisis (Nuclear Missles that can reach outer orbital levels and collide with NEOS and whatnot). Hell, lets equip the International Space Station with reverse low-orbital Ion Cannons at this point and we are set!

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

We'll just send the Space Marines, yeah?

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THE BUGS SEND ANOTHER METEOR OUR WAY. BUT THIS TIME WE'RE READY.


PLANETARY DEFENSES ARE BETTER THAN EVER.

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

We'll just send the Space Marines, yeah?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by LeHah

No, but it just might get Janus X to stop posting here

keep hoping

Nehmi posted an interesting link. I wonder how big is that comet that's coming soon...

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Damnit Lehah, I was thinking about posting a Starship troopers reference, but I doubted its validity on being funny.

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Originally Posted by Janus X

keep hoping

I am - and I'm not the only one. Maybe that should give you an inkling of your posts instead of some glib smiley reply.

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Originally Posted by Janus X

keep hoping

Let's see what I can do about this.

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Well all in all, I hope that damn thing they're setting off tomorrow doesn't blow us up, and the asteriod they say will make a "fly by" won't hit, I didn't pop out my kids for nothing!
I plan on being around well passed 2012 and I plan on my neighbors and city to stick around until I'm long gone too.. I see the giant volcano erupting before any of these other crazy ideas take place...

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Originally Posted by Jessie1311

I hope that damn thing they're setting off tomorrow doesn't blow us up

You obviously don't know what CERN collider does.

How ya doing, buddy?

I doubt she even knows what a collider is

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Pew pew pew

Let's see what I can do about this.

Holy shit. Forget Jesus and his posse, I'm gonna start praying to this pew pew pew guy. Nigga gets shit DONE.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Gechmir

I doubt she even knows what a collider is

Collider? But I only just met her.

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Then explain the hardon, you prude

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My end of the world theory is the Earthquack. One day ducks will rise up an control the world, and we as humans will be forced to live in ponds and lakes the rest of our lives.
It will be a rather nice existence, to be honest. We get to chill out and let little ducklings feed us bread, our only concern will be when some jackass ducks shoot at us as we try to run south for the winter.

But honestly, I'm going with the super volcano theory even though it might only mean North America is doomed for certain. Australia will probably just sit there at the complete opposite end of the world laughing at us or something.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I did not agree with this prediction. I know this date comes from the Mayan calendar, which many believe says that the end of time is 2012. This is an incorrect interpretation of the Mayan perception of time. It is the end of an age in 2012. The Mayans had a 52 year cycle, much like we have a 100 year cycle. The date of 2012 is the end of one age, and the beginning of another.

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Originally Posted by aarathy

I did not agree with this prediction. I know this date comes from the Mayan calendar, which many believe says that the end of time is 2012. This is an incorrect interpretation of the Mayan perception of time. It is the end of an age in 2012. The Mayans had a 52 year cycle, much like we have a 100 year cycle. The date of 2012 is the end of one age, and the beginning of another.

Would you care to back that up with, you know, evidence, oh weary time-traveller?

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