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Wah, I hated the results. Such a low position for my favorite track this week (EDIT: Wops, Garou Densetsu 2 ^^U)
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Comparable titles (on the PS2 or on other systems) have not escaped obscurity, musically or as a game. Meanwhile, the 360 is a pretty big market as well, and who is to say that this game will not become notorious for its soundtrack? I'd have difficulty accepting a nomination from Touhou, which by most standards can't really be called a well-known game, but the soundtrack is so revered. Anyway I do agree that a general rule should be formed (after all my nomination for NiGHTS 2 was shot down just a few weeks ago on similar grounds). 3 months after a game's US release sounds good to me as well. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I'm quite neutral on the issue of time frame with regards to newly released games/soundtracks. I guess just stick with something that works for administration purposes and as it stands, I think the current methodology is ok.
Since we're on the topic of obscure/popular soundtracks, wanted to check if the Rockman EXE5DS&6 Complete Music Encyclopedia album is considered obscure enough. I have no idea if it's from a popular Rockman game/soundtrack but think the game(s) is for Nintendo DS. Was thinking of nominating a track or two. I was speaking idiomatically.
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I don't know. We are currently in the process of making things explicit so that you will know. The waiting period is neither a rule nor a guideline: it's a decree made by the SotW founder that was invoked probably once over the seventy weeks between when it was issued and a few weeks ago. Since then, it has been mentioned with regards to five tracks and counting, four of which have been nominated by people who only started participating after it was imposed. The part of the rules that you quoted does not apply because the waiting period is not in the rules at all. It has never been formalized and just been treated as common practice between the people who actually remember it happening because there has never been a pressing reason to until now. This is finally being addressed per the above [size=6][b] text.
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Seeing all these, "Is this obscure enough?" questions, I just have to think (like Rimo), there are so many obviously obscure/unknown games/game soundtracks/game rips out there - why not nominate something from them instead of going with a track from a semi-obscure album from a game series that isn't obscure at all? I'm referring to the Metroid Prime, MMX, Sonic Boom, etc. noms here. I guess it's because people tend to nominate stuff they're familiar with, and people tend to be familiar with albums/rips from popular series, but there's no harm in expanding your search and listening to other random stuff. Note that I have nothing against the people making these nominations, and if such noms only came once in awhile, it wouldn't be a big deal. It just seems like there have been a lot of borderline noms lately, like people are trying to squeeze in whatever questionable albums they can rather than trying to promote more obscure stuff (SotW's purpose).
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Last edited by Drakken; Mar 24, 2008 at 11:10 AM.
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Woohoo, second place!
I agree wholeheartedly with Drakken above. It's not the end of the word if an occasional too-popular track sneaks in, but I really wish people would choose clearly obscure stuff. As for Sonic CD, I can't say one way or the other. Not familiar with the series personally, but I know some swear by it. Most amazing jew boots |
As for what Drakken said...nominating from popular series might seem like missing the point, but in every popular series there tends to be obscure off-shoots and unlocalized releases, and bringing them to light is pretty satisfying as well. I might have underestimated Sonic CD's popularity though, so I'll try to come up with an alt nom. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
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Anyway, I'm intimately familiar with the Sonic CD OST so for me this is like nominating something from Rondo of Blood--it may not be the most played of the Castlevania series, but the game is revered by many fans as the best one, and in a series where the music is specifically admired. Maybe I'm actually overestimating the popularity of the game and its music with "normal people" though--it's certainly awesome so it's not like I never want to hear it again... Anyway, enough yammering from me for one SotW thread. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Drakken/orion: As far as your collective reasoning is concerned, if there were a clearly defined rule regarding what just happened to some of us, I'm pretty sure we would have gone to the massive amounts of untapped VGM out there for potential nominations. Unfortunately, in the case of myself, I liked The Glacial Fortress since I heard it in January. I mean, surasshu brings up something that is good in theory, but guess what? I know Omega Five isn't going to be a gigantic cult explosion. It doesn't take a genius to see that. There will not be a massive outcry for the music from Omega Five, much less the game, because it isn't anything like what Katamari Damacy is. It's a shooter, esoteric. Katamari was a fairly fun game that was extremely addictive and not overly complicated to play. Again, I realize "obscurity" is a touchy subject, taken on a case by case basis, but I find that the bulk of you who enjoy oversimplifying only increases some of the frustration regarding our attempts to participate. Guess what? I would love to nominate something else, but I heard "X" song first. As we're seeing right now, "obscurity" is very much a game of semantics as far as this contest is concerned. In the case of Sonic CD, that game's music precedes it. It has a clearly defined reputation, yet I see that its status as "obscure" is being viewed in a light that just might get it into this contest. I disagree that it's obscure, I also disagree that Castlevania's music is obscure, but this VGM scene we deal in is very much a niche market. That said, I don't see very many people trying to fight the rules, we're just asking for guidance. I could do without the peanut gallery. I appreciate CHz's patience and helpfulness in this regard. I'll have to come up with another nomination, but I'm glad to know my issue is being addressed. Most amazing jew boots
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Respectfully... Waiting period, Dhsu? You mean the one that CHz just established as not being clearly defined or even in the rules? The very rules I referenced when I made the nomination, Dhsu? People would find the music on their own, sure... but I find that I have very little reason to believe that many of us find VGM from places other than albums or gamerips. I smelled opportunity, I took it. The instant this started being a contest was when the very idea of it being purely "about the music" went right out the window.
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It's the tracks that are competing, not the nominators. I'm not clear on what your point about albums and gamerips is...why does it matter the way people find VGM? The purpose of the waiting period is to allow the music to propagate, not necessarily the game. Nobody's actually played Drakengard 2 or Enthusia or Napple Tale, but those games are on the verge of being banned from SotW (if they haven't been already).
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The tracks are competing, but the nominators are the persons recommending them, chief.
I'd argue on Drakengard 2... but my point goes back to when CHz made mention that the album for Omega Five was just released and we should give it time, whereas I felt it was more important that we go based off when the video game actually hits. Since that's the point of origin, barring any musical arrangements/remixes. I feel that VGM enthusiasm seems to often forget the very reason the music exists in the first place: the video game itself. I don't care where people find the music, just that we could make some kind of concession to original tracks if there's no gamerip. I could see us waiting on albums like the Darius Remix, which has absolutely no original music from any of the games in question, but if I had to wait to nominate an original track from Darius based off when the Remix album dropped, I'd be somewhat puzzled. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Yes, we never made a rule because it was a rare occurrence where a track was scrutinized on this basis. On a side note, I made a personal pledge to not nominate anything released in the current year. I don't expect a waiting period of that long from you guys, but I want to let you know what my stance is.
For the record, I heard "The Glacial Fortress" when I bought the game back in Janurary as well (thanks to CHz for the heads up). I thought it was great then, and still feel the same now. Definitely worthy of SotW. However, even the release of the game two months is rather recent. I have no problem giving the music time to propagate naturally, and likely at some point, having someone else nominate it for SotW. Jam it back in, in the dark.
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We can't clearly define "obscurity" here, yet "natural progression" comes up? OK, then.
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Alt Nomination: Artist(s): Tatsuyuki Maeda, Yutaka Minobe, Masato Nakamura Album/Game Title: Sonic Advance (Game Rip) Track Title: Casino Paradise Zone Act 2 Disc Number: N/A Track Number: N/A Catalog Number: None Year: 2001 Source(s): GSF rip Also just to get this out of the way, here's a list of games I'm thinking of nominating that I think have questionable eligibility...if I can get a ruling on which ones are out, that'd be appreciated: Grandia II Grandia Xtreme Panzer Dragoon Panzer Dragoon Zwei Parodius series Radiant Silvergun Shenmue Shenmue II Shining Force WarCraft II This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Speaking of Sonic nominations, here's one of my own: === Kaleb.G === * Album Title: SEVEN RINGS IN HAND: Sonic and the Secret Rings Original Sound Track * Artist: Fumie Kumatani * Track Title: HIGH AND BROKEN * Source: #gamemp3s / VGMdb * File Location: I can upload it if you need me to; I got mine from #gamemp3s * Disc Number: 1 * Track Number: 08 * Catalogue Number: WM-0560~1 * Year: 2007 Debate the eligibility if you must. As far as I can tell, the music was largely panned, if commented on at all. Also, it didn't appear that the game itself was very popular; I've never even heard anyone talk about playing it. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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Just to give my two cents, I don't think the Katamari Damacy example is relevant when talking about Omega Five. Sure, no one saw KD's popularity coming, but hey, it was an oddball budget game on a system with a huge install base that eventually caught on due to word of mouth. As Rotorblade said, Omega Five is a shmup. And one only users of Xbox Live can buy, no less. Shmups are never super-popular (at least here in the US), and there's nothing particularly unusual about this game that would cause anything like what happened with KD, so I'd say it's safe to declare it obscure enough for SotW. If its music happens to become popular after the soundtrack eventually comes out, so what? I don't think that's an issue.
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Latest music rips (updated January 10, 2012): SimCity DS - Jazz/ambient/electronic music including interesting reworkings of songs from the fantastic SimCity 3000 soundtrack Cold Winter Original Game Music Score - Really cool; dark, full, emotional strings mixed with drums, piano, choir. Kind of like Furious Angels? Play-Asia - Japanese CDs, game soundtracks, game imports, & more
Last edited by Drakken; Mar 24, 2008 at 08:23 PM.
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Lots of convo still going on here. Why don't some of you n00bs and stragglers check out the Best Doujin Contest and make a difference: Best Doujin Contest - Gamingforce Interactive Forums
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