[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Slayer X

The more I see that game the more I want it.

So far wanted launch titles are:

FullAuto 2 (disapointed by the 360's performance of the 1st one)
LAIR
COD3
Resistance
Genji
RidgeRacer 7

However, MotorStorm isn't a launch title is it? It would be weird if it wasn't seeing haow it's shipping with the demo kits for places like PSM3 and what not.

Lair isn't a launch title I don't think. But yeah, it and Motorstorm both look like a ton of fun.

Launch titles I'm actually interested in are surprisingly Resistance and RR7... Considering that I don't traditionally play FPSs and normal racing games, but the footage shown so far is extremely impressive to me. Actually looks fun. Resistance's huge potential for online play is especially enticing. But I want to get some hands-on time at the demo kiosks before I make any decisions.

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Around $10.000 for a device to transfer my saves... Sold! Anyway confirmation of 7 players is cool, but I doubt I will even buy 4 though. Do you guys think that it will take quite as long for developers to get to know the system as long as it did for the ps2?

I was speaking idiomatically.

I hope so because even though seeing games get better and better is REALLY cool, and I'm not being sarcastic here. When it comes to the final two years of a system and there's been no progress, it kind of makes the industry a bit slow and sometimes stale. (even though there's still lots of good games to be played)

So yeah, I hope they won't develop quite as fast, but like anything in technology ever slows down...

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Here are links to interviews with the lead designer of LAIR
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...13777&type=wmv
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...13776&type=wmv

Here's one to a content packed interview Kazuo Hirai, CEO of Playstation
SD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...13731&type=wmv
HD: http://www.gametrailers.com/player.p...13730&type=wmv

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Ruh roh.

http://www.gamestop.com/gs/ps3/sweep...okie%5Ftest=1&



Better not be an online-only thing.

FELIPE NO

I wouldn't be surprised seeing how EB and Gamestop have said that they're not going to be doing pre-books for the system. Heck, I'm surprised that they're even doing this.

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Originally Posted by Slayer X

I wouldn't be surprised seeing how EB and Gamestop have said that they're not going to be doing pre-books for the system. Heck, I'm surprised that they're even doing this.

And from who did you hear that? Unless a Sony/Gamestop liason walked up to you and said "They're not taking pre-orders" don't believe what you hear. The fact of the matter is that the company doesn't know yet. It's still entirely dependent on how many units each individual store is getting.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Six Axis?! Wtf?!

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yes, it's actually quite clever. A palindrom. Just look at it.
And they couldn't call it Dual Shock 3, could they?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Hahaha 7 controllers/players. I thought that was a joke. What a strange number. I swear they only picked it because they knew no one else ever would.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy

Yes, it's actually quite clever. A palindrom. Just look at it.
And they couldn't call it Dual Shock 3, could they?

Nope, it has no rumble (hence, they couldn't call it Dual Shock), not to mention the whole Immersion case. Very few people, surprisingly, have caught on to the fact that it's a palindrome.

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Hahaha 7 controllers/players. I thought that was a joke. What a strange number. I swear they only picked it because they knew no one else ever would.

8 devices seems to be the Bluetooth limitation, with the PS3 as the 8th. Hence, 7 controllers. That could easily be 7 headsets, keyboards, etc...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Exactly, it can be up to 7 bluetooth components. 7 controllers is only an example as MetalSphere has already pointed out.

Torte: Yes Six Axis, due to the fact that 3D space has Six Axis as described with the cartesian plain. There's; X, -X, Y, -Y, Z, -Z

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Umm, the -x and x axes are the same thing. That, and in a plane you can only have two axes since the third one would be out of the plane (at least the kind of space where all axes have to be orthogonal to each other).

They probably just chose six because Oooooooooooooooo, six sounds like more than everyone else.

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Actually to be more politically correct you are right in the fact that x & -x as well as y & -y are the same axis. You are also right that a plane can only have two axis meeting at the origin point forming a 90degree angle. However we arn't talking about planes, we are talking about how 3D space is mapped.

Therefore 3D space is maped with three axis, or in scientific terms three dimensions;

X: left & right
Y: up & down
Z: forward & backwards

The negatives at the beginning of each variable as I used before was to show that each axis has two direction upon which it can go from the origin point.

X= Right, -X= Left, Y= UP, -Y= Down, Z= Forward, -Z= Backwards

This is where Sony got their idea of "Six" axis, though there are actually only three... I think the term is still pretty self explanitory.
If you have any other conflicts with these points refer to here where it can all be explained: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_space

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In my earlier post I meant to say Cartesian Geometry, not plain which is probably the source of the debate, and therefore my fault. However you could have read between the lines and related what I said to the subject at hand which would have shown that I simply made a refferential mistake though my point was still accurate.

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Ok, here's more news this time, coming from Beyond3D's forums:

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Dude I can vouch for the original posters comments and I have my own pictures to back it up. I don't know what regional manager you talked to but they lied big time. I am a manger that was also at the conference I wish that I had taken more than my 1.3 mega pixel cell phone to take pictures of the proceedings. Anyway to authenticate that there was both a blu-ray presence and that Gears of War was great (but no PS3 game) I came away with a little info that may be useful here.

1) The reason that the PS3 already looks as good if not better than the 360 ((according to Valve(Half-Life 2) and Vivendi(F.E.A.R.))) from the booths was that the Cell processor was orignally going to be a graphics processor as well for the PS3 (yes there were originally going to be two in the system) but the developers at the show stated that once NVIDIA joined the Sony ranks they backed off of that plan and decided to let NVIDIA build the RSX instead. Now this is where the rub is though (form the developer's mouths not mine) although the RSX (PS3 graphics card) and the XENOS (XBOX360 graphics card) are comparable the ability to use the Cell to share the rendering of textures and special effects gives the PS3 a decided advantage and that difference will only grow as time passes.

2) Microsoft did have a respectable presence at the show with HDVD. Peter Moore was there and they sponsored our dinner Friday night where they unveiled both the ZUNE (iPOD killer which will be on sale at Gamestop or EB near you just in time for the holidays) and the XBOX360 HDVD drive (which will retail for 199.99 and comes with a copy of King Kong on HDVD and will launch Nov 14). Sony countered this announcement with one of their own though that as of yet I have not seen leaked anywhere else and that is.......(as announced by the lady at the blu-ray booth during our show)....Talladega Nights on BLU-Ray will be included with every PS3 at launch. Also to note after the Microsoft dinner well all got to go hands on with HDVD, Zune, Gears of War (Mulitplayer), WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007, Splinter Cell D.A., Lost Planet, and some others that I didn't get to play. They were all good and seemed near final builds.

3) As far as PS3 presence goes Sony had the biggest display with Resistance, NBA 07 ( which later became Resistance after nobody wanted to play NBA), Genji, and Motorstorm. Sega had a booth to note which had Virtua Fighter 5 (in video form only) and more interestingly Sonic playable on both PS3 and XBOX360 side by side. One of the managers asked why the PS3 version looked better as far as lighting and contrast and accused Sega of connecting the 360 version up with composite cables and the PS3 with HDMI to make the difference hit home. At which point the rep showed us all that both units were connected with component cables and running on the same make and model television. The skeptics accused him of lying even after he turned the monitors to reveal both rear connections. He later stated that again the difference was the Cell and not the video card at the time.

While I wish there was a better movie included, or at least a game demo disc, at least we're getting something. Oh and I can believe these people acted like 100% trolls when seeing the difference between the two.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yeah, if I spent that much on a 360 just to see that the real reason why M$ launched it early was because they couldn't compare with the PS3 I'd be pissed too.

DAMN IT! I have a 360 too! Oh well, I'm planning on selling it after I beat Mass Effect and Gears of War anyway in order to buy a Wii. (yes I know that's a ways off yet)

Also, with all the bad news that was coming out week after week before TGS it's good to see Sony finally getting some good press. It also makes me happy that I put my deposit down on my PS3 back in summer '05 at the store that I work at in order to get the 1st spot. ^^

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Talladega Nights on BLU-Ray will be included with every PS3 at launch.

....what the hell movie is that?

EDIT: That Ricky Bobby movie!? What the hell??

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Don't reach for the .45 just yet, SOLDIER! There's stuff that's sure to cool you down. Famitsu got to compare the PS3's size to the the PS2 and they're surprisingly close. Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.















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Yeah it's that one with Will Ferrell and he's supposed to be a race car driver and what not. I probably won't watch it but it'll get me $20 at BlockBuster at least. (where's my DEMO DISC???)

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Finally shots that actually SHOW me something. Not like all the amateure stuff that has crappy lighting & angles that you look through for five minutes hoping to get a decent look at something. And then when you get to the end you realize that you just lost five more minutes of your life that you can't get back.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Here's some interesting news, pertaining to Blu-Ray movies releasing around the PS3's launch date as well as Talladega Nights being one of the first dual layer Blu-Ray movies. Something for those of you who are going to make some use out of the console's movie playback capabilities.

Edit: Don't get excited by the news that'll follow this, but supposedly Wipeout for the PS3 is/will be running at 1080p @ 60fps according to one cat. IMO, I wouldn't trust this, but he claims they have a machine in the office he works at. Whoops. This is the same guy that first leaked PS3 shots with his cellphone shown here. The other info:

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today i came up with the idea to connect my ipod shuffle to the ps3. unfortunate it doesnt work. well not with the beta software we are having here on it.

and didnt i said all along the ps3 was quit

and those overheating problems. give me a break. we have the unit now for like 3 weeks. no overheating problems at all. it hasnt stopped even once! longest time we had it on was ike 36 hours. no video skipping at all. ofcours we dont have games here. but you get the point. besides who plays 36 hours straight

oh 1 more tiny thing.

Wipe Out next generation 1080P / 60 frames a second.

Edit #2: 1Up.com hands on with PS3 (pics after the impressions):

1Up impressions.

Originally Posted by 1Up.com

One of the many problems with covering a new piece of hardware within the confines of a show like E3 or TGS is that you don't really get a feel for what it would be like if that system was sitting in your entertainment center at home. Fortunately, I and other members of OPM recently got some sweet, delicious donuts alone time with the PlayStation 3 far from the crowds and the noisy convention halls, and I've come away thinking only one thing--I want a PS3 really, really bad. November 17th can't come soon enough.

Just a few nuts and bolts--the system is quite large, easily matching (if not surpassing) the girth of the 360 and the original XBox, but oh man, is it quiet. The cooling fan emits a pretty subtle noise and the disc access noise is equally subdued. Before you say, "who f'n cares how loud it is,"my 360 is a tad on the loud side, to the point that it sounds like a wheelchair with rusty breaks, storming out of control down a ramp. It's nice to know that I won't have to crank up my speakers to drown it out. Also, as was pointed out by some colleagues across the pond, it does indeed "eat" the discs quickly.

As for the overheating issue, I'd say that the problems reported at TGS were because of the conditions within the convention center (it gets pretty damn warm in some areas) and our recent experience with the system seems to go along with that. The PS3 does get a little toasty under its belly, but not so much that it will instantly vaporize your cat, dog, or some other animal if it were to venture a little too close. But I will say that it's probably not a good idea to set this thing on a carpet.

There's so much more to say, but that's about it for now. You'll have to check out our December issue or listen to upcoming episodes of RadiOPM where we'll discuss some of the other details.

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In a rather surprising, last-minute announcement, leading the BD-50 charge will be 'Click,' which streets next Tuesday, October 10. Though originally expected to be a BD-25, single-layer disc only, the release will in fact be dual-layer and come packed with all the same bonus features as its standard DVD.

Sony will follow that up with 'Talladega Nights,' which was announced last week for a December 12 release, as well as what the studio will be calling its "flagship" BD-50 title, 'Black Hawk Down,' due November 14.

Both 'Talladega Nights' and 'Black Hawk Down' will feature a wealth of bonus content shot exclusively in high-definition. 'Black Hawk Down' will also be the first Sony title to feature the Blu-ray format's proprietary "Blu-Wizard" authoring environment, which promises to deliver extensive interactive content new to the format.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Those product photos are very sexy... I like how the L2/R2 buttons turned out. Definately fits the "accelleration pedal" metaphore given earlier.

And thermal on the PS button? Sweet. I gotta say, for being almost exactly the same design as it's been 10 years ago... the controller still looks pretty nice.

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It's definatly great to see a company finally making the right moves, consistantly. Sure things like price and marketing can be questioned from time to time, but in sheer design and praticality Sony does a pretty good job. The Blu-Ray, while gimmicky at first is actually flushing out to be a good move, the heat dispersition rods that allow for superior cooling looks to have payed off to with 36hrs and no overheating. Yup, I think I and the general puplic will be quite pleased with this next gen system once they can get around the "not so outrageous" price.

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Why do they get two systems? Can I have one? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE??? I've got money..... and chocolat milk.

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It's funny for me because I've been listening for the past year to the IGN podcasts, and they're always bitching about this and that about the PS3 and Sony. For me to read this glowing report on the system makes me feel even more excited because I never felt against the system like they did, and if they're minds have been changed so fast (at least a few of them probably) then man... it's got to be good.

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Lot of technical jargon going round I really don't understand... nor have time to look into. However, I do understand pictures

Liking all those production shots so far... except...

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.

Is that really needed? Seems kind of like a waste of technology, as well as a sort of 'cool' worthless ploy feature. And whats wrong with buttons >.>
I like buttons... I know they work good.

This is the sort of thing that bothers me... >.>

Everything else is looking pretty nice so far.

Loudness never seemed to bother me, but I guess if a system is too loud, it could ruin the feel in a more quiet subdued atmosphere.

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In a rather surprising, last-minute announcement, leading the BD-50 charge will be 'Click,' which streets next Tuesday, October 10. Though originally expected to be a BD-25, single-layer disc only, the release will in fact be dual-layer and come packed with all the same bonus features as its standard DVD.

Sony will follow that up with 'Talladega Nights,' which was announced last week for a December 12 release, as well as what the studio will be calling its "flagship" BD-50 title, 'Black Hawk Down,' due November 14.

Both 'Talladega Nights' and 'Black Hawk Down' will feature a wealth of bonus content shot exclusively in high-definition. 'Black Hawk Down' will also be the first Sony title to feature the Blu-ray format's proprietary "Blu-Wizard" authoring environment, which promises to deliver extensive interactive content new to the format.

Would it not be smarter to release a blu-ray movie with the system that is actually shot in High-Def; as most people dont bother with extras.

Originally Posted by Slayer X

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It's funny for me because I've been listening for the past year to the IGN podcasts, and they're always bitching about this and that about the PS3 and Sony. For me to read this glowing report on the system makes me feel even more excited because I never felt against the system like they did, and if they're minds have been changed so fast (at least a few of them probably) then man... it's got to be good.

Interesting. Was it the same exact people? Or just both from IGN?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by avanent

Is that really needed? Seems kind of like a waste of technology, as well as a sort of 'cool' worthless ploy feature. And whats wrong with buttons >.>
I like buttons... I know they work good.

This is the sort of thing that bothers me... >.>

Well, wording it like that we could say we don't need:

• Vibration
• Progressive Scan
• HD Resolutions
• Analog Sticks
• Shoulder Buttons
• Wireless controllers

And so on and so forth. Complacency really hasn't done much for the industry, since it was expressed back when the above points were first introduced.

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Loudness never seemed to bother me, but I guess if a system is too loud, it could ruin the feel in a more quiet subdued atmosphere.

It plays movies, it has to be quiet or else it'll be a chore watching them.

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Would it not be smarter to release a blu-ray movie with the system that is actually shot in High-Def; as most people dont bother with extras.

Movies are often shot at resolutions far above that of standard HD resolutions. These are no exceptions. There's no reason to complain about a pack-in. Don't like it? Throw it away or boil it in molten plastic.

Here's some online tidbits from RadiOPM:

Podcast of the show.

Originally Posted by RadiOPM

--They are using Gamespy in some capacity that I can't really understand
--The system logs you in upon boot-up of the machine automatically (he thinks that can be changed)
--Stats will be tied to your user profile, he isn't sure of the "final name" of this on the PS3 system
--Stats and stat tracking is all done through "the Playstation Network"
--When you log in, and you are an active online member, you get to view a browser to pick your games and stuff
--Stats get uploaded to gamespy (?) so you can view leaderboards
--Can access stats from game website
--No achievements in Full Auto 2 because moving target forced (online platform not finalized?) focus on online network play
--FULL AUTO 2 1080p!

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Well, wording it like that we could say we don't need:

• Vibration
• Progressive Scan
• HD Resolutions
• Analog Sticks
• Shoulder Buttons
• Wireless controllers

Not really... a thermosensor doesn't improve play in anyway. Even thoguh I don't care for the move to wirless controllers, at least it improves play as the wire can no longer be tripped over or be pulled at (affect the system, getting unplugged/yanking the system around). Likewise, while I don't think the mass public is ready for HD, it is an improvement upon the visuals which is beneficial overall.

Honestly, I dont know what progressive scan does... so... maybe its an accurate comparison.

A thermosensor majigger is just an expensive replacement for a button... it doesn't improve upon anything, and isn't likely cheaper than a standard button.

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

It plays movies, it has to be quiet or else it'll be a chore watching them.

Didn't think about that... then again the 360 is supose to be a movie player too :ashamed:

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Movies are often shot at resolutions far above that of standard HD resolutions. These are no exceptions. There's no reason to complain about a pack-in. Don't like it? Throw it away or boil it in molten plastic.

Well, as far as marketing strategies go... if your going to try and push a new format... wouldn't you want to do something which might actually be a noticable improvement over the current standard... especially if your asking 2-3x as much per disc.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

So basically, Ricky Bobby and Black Hawk Down are the first two "real" Blu Ray movies. In that case, it's obvious why they chose the former and not the latter. I hope they'll at least have hi def trailers for future BR movies.

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Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.

Okay...so what does that mean?

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