Montreal's Columbine

Welcome to Quebec. R rated movies don't exist here.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Ya... I don't think the Quebec media cares too much about blaming videogames or what not. I doubt Quebecers care too much about the incident either.

actually, RDI (a cheap french CNN) was playing this morning a megadeth music video which, apparently, gill was listening to...

And of course, separatists can't help their sadistic opportunism (or whatever the real word). Gilles Duceppe was talking on RDI about violence on TV and on how it might have influence the killer. Daniel Turp (PQ MNA) "subtely" talked about the gun registry program. Talk about a total lack of respect:eyebrow:

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Apparantly the shooter frequented vampirefreaks.com, and his profile there showed pictures of him holding automatic rifles, along with lots of self-promotion as some Angle of Death....
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...-shooting.html

They are so going to blame this on heavy metal and goth culture after this.... -_-

Its a shock for me too as a Montreal resident. Just found out about it a few minutes ago as I'm kinda out of the country... I agree the with the sentiment that Montreal has always been a relatively peaceful and nonviolent city in Canada.

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Sad news indeed. I'm pretty far away from Montreal, living in Winnipeg, and i've never actually been past Toronoto. Other than the 1989 shooting, i can't recall ever hearing about a Canadian school shooting before this.

I was speaking idiomatically.

This incident is a great example for media inaccuracy, especially for early reporting. On various sources, there were 1 dead, 4 dead, 0 dead; one shooter, 3 or 4 shooters; 12 injured, 19 injured, 20 injured; gunman was shot down by police, gunman shot himself; he used an AK-47, Ruger 10/22, various guns. Gunman listened to "Megadeath" (sic), played "first-person shooter game Postal (sic)", listened to "death metal" or "black metal" (yeah, right). I love journalists who write about things they don't know anything about.

Originally Posted by *AkirA*

We know theyre gonna blame violent videogames, metal music, adult swim television programming, and completely overlook the bad parenting and mental state of the kid doing the shooting.

Well, in this case, it was a 25 year old man. Sure, when you look at his VampireFreaks profile, he acted like a dumb angsty teenager, but at his age we're way past blaming the parents, haha.
Not every shithead in the world had bad parents. Some people are gonna end up as shitheads no matter what, it seems. This guy was a loser. He couldn't even get murder "right", he only managed to kill one person (I mean, that's a good thing, but it's kind of pathetic).

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Welcome to Quebec. R rated movies don't exist here.

Well, we have 18+ movies, but with very very few exceptions (the only one that come to my mind at the moment is Natural Born Killers) they're all for adult movies. Hell, I bought the Rome DVD boxset recently and it was rated R for US, 17+ (I think) for Canada, and 14+ for Québec.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

^ I realize that. I was just saying that parents aren't always to blame, and that ultimately, the responsibility is his. Especially at this age. If he were 15, it'd be something else. But a lot of people suffer through endless abuse and manage to become decent people still, especially when they get older and mature on their own. That guy obviously didn't, regardless of whether or not his parents sucked (no evidence of either at the moment).

FELIPE NO

When I first heard about it, I was at my college (cegep). A few minutes after the incident happened, there was a big crowd in front of the TV near the library. Everybody wanted to get the latest news. I was totally shocked to learn that such a tragedy could happen again in Montreal. Today, the local newspaper reporters came to my cegep to do a survey and asked the students if they were scared to go to Montreal again. Why should we be afraid? I mean, something like that could happen anytime and anywhere, not just in Montreal. We can't foresee anything.

Originally Posted by Amanda

Though lest we forget, Montréal is already the site of what is probably Canada's most infamous shooting rampage, when 14 female students were murdered at École Polytechnique in 1989.

Among those 14 victims, there was Annie Turcotte, a student who graduated at my former private high school in 1987. The teachers who knew her as a student told us how dynamic, intelligent and determinate she was. The high school gym is named after her because she was also sporty. She was destined to a brilliant future, but some freak took her life.

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Tragedy. It's somewhat fortunate in the midst of all the chaos that it did not escalate into something even more terrific, especially in terms of death count. It's always shocking to hear about gun violence in Canada. I thought that couple of murders in Hamilton and randomly vicious brutality in the same week of the newspaper was bad here, but it looks like there are worse things in other places too.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Apparently a friend of mine was working in the ICU at the Montreal General at the time. She's doing her last week there in her last year of med school. Things didn't go well.

Also, Morrigan, why are you complaining about the media inacuracy? They were getting their reports from terrified students that had basically no idea what was happening.

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And we come full circle. Again. Media will play the violent videogames card and gamers will raise them a blame the parents. Ad nauseam. Irony always manages to be ever so sweet.

media: GTA is the reason the killer did this.
gamer: WTF it's not games, it's clearly the parents fault!

Incidentally, neither group has any idea as to what they are talking about.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

So then who's fault is it?

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Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

So then who's fault is it?

I would've thought it was obvious that perhaps its the fault of the person who picked up the damn gun and shot up a school? Say what you will, but I think you can only shift blame so far before you realise that this person was unstable and it was their friggin fault.

We'll watch the media pick at this like vultures with a carrion but its obvious there can be no other party to blame here

I was speaking idiomatically.

My newspaper blamed Vampirefreaks, a columbine RPG, and they managed to work in a quote of his that blamed video games: "live is like a video game, everyone's got to die sometime." *rolls eyes*

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Unas

I would've thought it was obvious that perhaps its the fault of the person who picked up the damn gun and shot up a school? Say what you will, but I think you can only shift blame so far before you realise that this person was unstable and it was their friggin fault.

We'll watch the media pick at this like vultures with a carrion but its obvious there can be no other party to blame here

Well, I meant besides the fact that cocksucking pussy faggot who took the lives of others. There are other factors which could have contributed to his actions.

I honestly think this guy was no victim of bullying. He looks like a bully himself. Shit, I'm sure if he went to my old high school, people would stay the fuck away from him. I know there were guys like him who picked fights with others.

FELIPE NO

It's really sad what happened. But I think that everyone just saying that they feel sorry for the victims, isn't really doing anything.

The Quebec government should increase gun laws and security at schools. I know alot of residents in Montreal and Quebec City with access to fire-arms. If not personally, them gloating about it on the net. This is also the third time a school shooting has happened in Quebec, do we really want to see history repeat itself again? They've got to do something more than just consoling people.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Look, I don't want to turn this into some sort of gun control debate, but if you actually ban guns, without even looking at the actual effectiveness of such a measure (which could be debated for weeks), you're mostly attacking the symptoms, not the cause of the problem. In my opinion, no matter the issue at hand, that's never the right thing.

As for increased security, what exactly do you want them to do?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by splur

It's really sad what happened. But I think that everyone just saying that they feel sorry for the victims, isn't really doing anything.

The Quebec government should increase gun laws and security at schools. I know alot of residents in Montreal and Quebec City with access to fire-arms. If not personally, them gloating about it on the net. This is also the third time a school shooting has happened in Quebec, do we really want to see history repeat itself again? They've got to do something more than just consoling people.

There's always going to be crazy motherfuckers who go nuts and try to kill a bunch of people. That's pretty much a fact of life, in this day and age. The only thing you can do is hope for the best, really. And gun control laws won't help, because if they want to get a gun, they'll find a way. Drugs are outlawed, remember? How much has that helped to keep them off the streets?

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To add to Capo, Guns are outlawed in Washington DC, and it has the highest murder rates in the country. Gun control laws don't help.

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Originally Posted by Marl

To add to Capo, Guns are outlawed in Washington DC, and it has the highest murder rates in the country. Gun control laws don't help.

indeed. gill's weapons were perfectly legal AND he had registered in the national gun registry program. Here goes the argument for it:doh:

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