Evanescence - The Open Door

For people who expected Fallen mark 2 are going to be really disappointed. Sure The Open Door doesn't have striking catchy tunes, but personally I really didn't want that. I think their sound has progressed and they've experimented with a new darker atmospheric sound with lots of layered vocals and sound effects. If you don't really appreciate that kinda thing, then the album will sound a bit dull. Me however, I love the new sound. My favourites are probably Call Me When You're Sober, Lithium, Snow White Queen, Like You, The Only One and Good Enough.

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Don't know if any of you guys noticed, but here's what I observed from listening to the album multiple times:

-The song Lacrymosa is arranged from Anything For You. The melody is basically the same thing, just arranged and added in new set of lyrics.
-Each song have very similiar scores, ranging from multiple instruments. That is why there aren't any catchy tunes.
-Each song has Amy singing almost every single beat of it, just to let the song's melody stand out more. I'm not sure how to say this, but Amy tried cover up the bland score with her voice.
-Amy Lee on herself, isn't very good with composing. Ben Moody played a major part on the composing before.

To answer what Sian wrote, having layered vocals and sound effects doesn't make it any darker. It is to cover up the plain score and some of the arranged/revised pieces on the songs. Basically, this album is bad without Ben. Ask anybody that's actually into music and they'll tell you the same. What you said was simply from a consumer's point of view.

I seriously hope Amy will pick up Ben's style a little more and improve before the next album.

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Originally Posted by Scarletdeath

Don't know if any of you guys noticed, but here's what I observed from listening to the album multiple times:

-The song Lacrymosa is arranged from Anything For You. The melody is basically the same thing, just arranged and added in new set of lyrics.
-Each song have very similiar scores, ranging from multiple instruments. That is why there aren't any catchy tunes.
-Each song has Amy singing almost every single beat of it, just to let the song's melody stand out more. I'm not sure how to say this, but Amy tried cover up the bland score with her voice.
-Amy Lee on herself, isn't very good with composing. Ben Moody played a major part on the composing before.

To answer what Sian wrote, having layered vocals and sound effects doesn't make it any darker. It is to cover up the plain score and some of the arranged/revised pieces on the songs. Basically, this album is bad without Ben. Ask anybody that's actually into music and they'll tell you the same. What you said was simply from a consumer's point of view.

I seriously hope Amy will pick up Ben's style a little more and improve before the next album.

Haha well whatever mate, I meant with the style of the layered vocals and the melodies, that combined with the dark lyrics gave it that more atmospheric feel to me. What you're saying is very technical based and that's just not how I look at things. If you're talking about me when you say "anybody that's actually into music" then I really don't like your attitude and I get the impression you're looking down on me. I don't believe you have to be an expert in the technical side of music to be into music in general.

I'm interested in your opinion on Fallen, to me with my "consumer's point of view" I thought that most of the songs sounded the same.

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Look, it was never my intention to "look down on you", more like, to each their own. If I made you feel inferior, I'm very sorry. You have to understand, I just ventured into the composing/song writing field, but I'm quite familiar with music scores through listening alone from ear training, particularly the guitar's. Technical or not, people that study music for their future will eventually catagorize music. Compared to Dream Theater or even Nightwish, this album's scores are awfully simple. Which is why I said what I said.

Also, anyone can be into music. There are no significant difference between those who study music, and consumers. The ONLY difference is that, those into music actually knows what to look for, how to catogorize it, and what music terms to be used. I'm no pro, but what I said wasn't just the technical side of music by the way.

If you want my "consumer's point of view", this album is still a disappointment, as I've liked their work for a long time. The music simply sounds the same, where Amy's vocals have little fluctuations, which gives a plain melody in the long run. The instrumentals have very little variations, and they have most of it on a loop. Unlike their previous albums, where songs like Going Under, Haunted, Tourniquet or Whisper (all from Fallen), where Amy's vocal actually have distinct pauses which produce distinct melodies. This album, in addition to her little fluctuations, she doesn't have much pauses, which seriously kills the song. Imagine a person reading a text from a book without punctuations.

I can go on forever when it comes to music, so I'll stop here. Also, about Fallen, I rip all the albums into tracks for my iTunes, so I delete repeated tracks already present in other albums. Those 4 tracks I listed are what I remember from Fallen so far, and in general, Eva's individual songs before this are much more unique on their own. I can go on further about how they are different, but I'll end up writing an essay and you probably won't read it. The notes/pauses/scores are very different in Fallen, at least more than Open Door.

Also, to prevent a two person arguement (which will eventually lead to having our posts deleted/split), please PM me if you have further comments and we'll carry on there.

Finally, sorry again if I offended you.

PS: If you know any professionals in the music industry, try talking to them; you'll be surprised how pissed they'll get if you actually use simple terms/consumer's point of view while discussing music with them. I know a couple and even for me, it's a hell of a task just talking to them about music.

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Originally Posted by Scarletdeath

Look, it was never my intention to "look down on you", more like, to each their own. If I made you feel inferior, I'm very sorry. You have to understand, I just ventured into the composing/song writing field, but I'm quite familiar with music scores through listening alone from ear training, particularly the guitar's. Technical or not, people that study music for their future will eventually catagorize music. Compared to Dream Theater or even Nightwish, this album's scores are awfully simple. Which is why I said what I said.

Also, anyone can be into music. There are no significant difference between those who study music, and consumers. The ONLY difference is that, those into music actually knows what to look for, how to catogorize it, and what music terms to be used. I'm no pro, but what I said wasn't just the technical side of music by the way.

If you want my "consumer's point of view", this album is still a disappointment, as I've liked their work for a long time. The music simply sounds the same, where Amy's vocals have little fluctuations, which gives a plain melody in the long run. The instrumentals have very little variations, and they have most of it on a loop. Unlike their previous albums, where songs like Going Under, Haunted, Tourniquet or Whisper (all from Fallen), where Amy's vocal actually have distinct pauses which produce distinct melodies. This album, in addition to her little fluctuations, she doesn't have much pauses, which seriously kills the song. Imagine a person reading a text from a book without punctuations.

My apologies for taking it the wrong way, I get touchy when it comes to music I like =p. Having said that, I can see why people don't like Evanescence and I can also appreciate your point of view of the new album. I do listen to a lot of varied music, and I do have more knowledge than most but I have a huge gap where I could educate myself more. When you started talking about scores and the such I thought it was getting technical >_>.

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I can go on forever when it comes to music, so I'll stop here. Also, about Fallen, I rip all the albums into tracks for my iTunes, so I delete repeated tracks already present in other albums. Those 4 tracks I listed are what I remember from Fallen so far, and in general, Eva's individual songs before this are much more unique on their own. I can go on further about how they are different, but I'll end up writing an essay and you probably won't read it. The notes/pauses/scores are very different in Fallen, at least more than Open Door.

Also, to prevent a two person arguement (which will eventually lead to having our posts deleted/split), please PM me if you have further comments and we'll carry on there.

Finally, sorry again if I offended you.

PS: If you know any professionals in the music industry, try talking to them; you'll be surprised how pissed they'll get if you actually use simple terms/consumer's point of view while discussing music with them. I know a couple and even for me, it's a hell of a task just talking to them about music.

I'd never try and argue with someone who knew what they were talking about, because my hippy feelings of music would just make them laugh =p. I'm more of a person who listens out for themes and being able to relate and more experimental music than actually being able to pick out little things and be able to describe what they are etc.

Well if you ever feel the need to write an essay on you opinion on Evanescence's music, feel free I would read it. I wouldn't necessarily agree with all of it, but nevertheless I would be interested to read anyone's opinion if it was more than just "they suck" or "this shit depresses me".

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No worries there.. If you really like music, you could pick up an instrument for starters and study theory and practicals from there. ^^

Your ability to relate themes are already better than nothing. Everyone has to start somewhere. ~_^

Ahaha, if I partially proved my point, then there's no need to write an essay. I would never call gothic rock "depressing shit" as these are one of the more melodious rock types out there. Standard rock are still fine, but I don't particularly like heavier rock/metal, just because most of them have too much distortion, or focused too much on their practical performance; and the songs aren't melodious enough to enjoy them. No harmony to it at all.

Don't worry, I'm a fan of Eva myself, and I'd never insult their works if I don't need to.

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