Evanescence - The Open Door

Originally Posted by Kishin

It's called knowledge. I don't listen to Pink Floyd either, but I know who Roger Waters is and basically what he has done.

You're confusing intelligence with pop culture bullshit.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LeHah

You're confusing intelligence with pop culture bullshit.

Yes, I seem to be.

And to clarify. I just thought there were no grounds on thinking that the next album might be any better than the two first ones, just because of a change in band dynamics. Moody leaving might be a good thing for the band too, who knows what's to come, but I wouldn't be expecting anything groundbreaking.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Sian, you wouldn't happen to have the original French that was translated from would you?

Originally Posted by Kishin

It could be, but why didn't they write songs before this then, if they could do better than the basist?

If you're talking about Amy Lee and Terry Balsamo writing together before Fallen it's because they didn't even know each other and Terry was apart of the band Cold before he left to join Evanescence when Ben Moody left.

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I'm telling you listen to Origin. That disc has much less Ben Moody pop influence on it and Amy Lee sings in more than one note. Promise :P

I was speaking idiomatically.

Is that the first album yeah? I have listened to Lies many times and that's my favourite Evanescence song. Unfortunately they do not have that album over here and can only get it online.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Well Ben Moody was still a core songwriter during Origin, but I bet he wasn't phased with becomming a mainstream rock band at that time before they got the deal with Wind-Up.

Originally Posted by electric_eye

Is that the first album yeah? I have listened to Lies many times and that's my favourite Evanescence song. Unfortunately they do not have that album over here and can only get it online.

No, Fallen is their debut album, Origin is a demo that was spruced up and made to look professional for record companies. They've had 2 EP's before Origin, Evanescence EP and Sound Asleep EP.

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Awesome Sian. The text is kind of hard to read, but I can make out most of it. Do you want anything re-translated?

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Originally Posted by Sian

No, Fallen is their debut album, Origin is a demo that was spruced up and made to look professional for record companies. They've had 2 EP's before Origin, Evanescence EP and Sound Asleep EP.

Ah. I guess I should have done a bit more research. In any case, the songs on Origin are, for the most part, superior to those on Fallen, IMO.

I've put stars next to my personal favorites

1. "Origin"
2. "Whisper"
3. "Imaginary"
4. "My Immortal"
* 5. "Where Will You Go"
* 6. "Field of Innocence"
* 7. "Even in Death"
8. "Anywhere"
* 9. "Lies"
10. "Away from Me"
11. "Eternal"

There were only 2,500 copies pressed so don't kick yourself if you can't find it. Do, however, download some of the songs from it.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Awesome Sian. The text is kind of hard to read, but I can make out most of it. Do you want anything re-translated?

Just a basic sum up of each song would be awesome =D

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Ah. I guess I should have done a bit more research. In any case, the songs on Origin are, for the most part, superior to those on Fallen, IMO.

I've put stars next to my personal favorites

1. "Origin"
2. "Whisper"
3. "Imaginary"
4. "My Immortal"
* 5. "Where Will You Go"
* 6. "Field of Innocence"
* 7. "Even in Death"
8. "Anywhere"
* 9. "Lies"
10. "Away from Me"
11. "Eternal"

There were only 2,500 copies pressed so don't kick yourself if you can't find it. Do, however, download some of the songs from it.

I've had a copy of it for about 3 years, it was Origin's version of Imaginary that made me look into the band more. Even in Death is very much Amy's song on the demo, so expect more like that on The Open Door.

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I wasn't even aware that Evanescence was still around. About Ben Moody's leaving and influence, I'm sure the record labels had just as much influence over the band as anyone else in the band. Why else would they have that shitty guy from 12 Stones singing on their single? To make money and to make the band! Evanescence is just a generic run of the mill pop rock band that will not be remembered in a positive or any light after 5 years.

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Whoa. I had forgotten all about them. A new cd coming out, huh? I didn't know she played piano. If there's going to be more piano in the new cd, then that's awesome. I love the piano. cool cool.

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I am anticipating the new cd. I have a thing for female vocalists in rock music. Their voice doesn't have to change the world for me to like them, but female vocalist add a lot to music in the rock/metal world, at least to me.

I really enjoyed their first release, and I listened to it all the time. I probably played it most on my Xbox with Grand Theft Auto to run people over with from time to time. I think it's a very enjoyable album.

Of all female fronted bands I don't like much is Lacuna Coil, their music gets boring REALLY fast to me. I listened to their Karma Code cd 3 times and found myself completely bored with it, I might have to give it a few more tries, but it's just not that interesting.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sian

Just a basic sum up of each song would be awesome =D.

Didn't you already post translations of that? Wasn't there some of them that you wanted clarified? I'm too tired ATM to translate the entire article.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Didn't you already post translations of that? Wasn't there some of them that you wanted clarified? I'm too tired ATM to translate the entire article.

Well probably "Like You" and "Lose Control" are the ones that haven't been clarified so those would be cool.

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Here's the best that I could do with those two. I couldn't make out everything.

Like You - Lethal (?) is omnipresent, the guitar is insidious and the vocals are murmured and sad. Terry does a good job of making it sound like you're disappearing in a dream (not sure about that sentence...). The song is short, slow and rich.

Lose Control - New *something* with a piano base, electric drum, loud guitars and tripled vocals, with everything blended nicely together by Dave Fortman.
Amy - " Dave perfectly understands our music, like if he was in my head. It's good to work with a well known producer, but your group can end up sounding like somebody else if he doesn't understand what you want and feel. Dave always pushed me to write *something* and to surpass myself."

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Here's the best that I could do with those two. I couldn't make out everything.

Like You - Lethal (?) is omnipresent, the guitar is insidious and the vocals are murmured and sad. Terry does a good job of making it sound like you're disappearing in a dream (not sure about that sentence...). The song is short, slow and rich.

Lose Control - New *something* with a piano base, electric drum, loud guitars and tripled vocals, with everything blended nicely together by Dave Fortman.
Amy - " Dave perfectly understands our music, like if he was in my head. It's good to work with a well known producer, but your group can end up sounding like somebody else if he doesn't understand what you want and feel. Dave always pushed me to write *something* and to surpass myself."

Oooh thanks for that! These song descriptions make me even more excited >_>

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Here's a small 30ish second preview of the Mozart cover of "Lacrymosa" taken from "The Open Door".

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I like Evanescence, but unfortunately I was late on hearing Fallen. After I finally got to hear the whole thing, the best songs were already released as singles and whored out on TV and radio stations.That CD could almost be considered a Greatest Hits, as every other song on the album was a hit at one point.

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Thanks for the preview Sian! Interesting track I must say.

And I like to add something about Amy Lee's voice. I think the reason we liker her singing cause of her unique color tone and voice, while perhaps some more vocal training will do her good, so far I hardly met many people who can even imitate her voice and the way she projects.

Most people in the end listen to the color tone of the singer's voice in pop music, rather than listening to her training like Opera singers do, cause no one can sing Opera well when they are born, but their voice tone and color tones are born. For example, I take voice training, and my vocal coach says my voice is sweet, so its more suited for songs that young maidens sing in operas, those sweet sounding ones with the high young girl voice rather than the booming Opera larger sounds sung by singers in Carmen. I could TRY to train up for those songs, but my color tone will always prevent me from getting the job of singing those songs, compare to the people who are BORN with that voice and had lots of training.

For Amy Lee, I listen to her unique sound rather than her range in singing, in the end, after all, shes a singer in a band, not some musical actress who has to shift her voice and tone to fit whatever musical she's in. Just like how I listen to Utada and Angela Aki, cause they sound unique from each other. People nowadays get tired of the Britney sounding girls and want something unique, Amy Lee came along and people loved it. And I personally liked the fact she projects better than the quivers most singers have in their voice.

Just my two cents on it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Lithium? Is that going to be a Nirvana cover? I hated their last one. . .

Hmm. I probably won't buy this, although I'll probably give it a download. Embarassingly enough, I'm somewhat interested.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Thanks for the preview Sian! Interesting track I must say.

And I like to add something about Amy Lee's voice. I think the reason we liker her singing cause of her unique color tone and voice, while perhaps some more vocal training will do her good, so far I hardly met many people who can even imitate her voice and the way she projects.

Most people in the end listen to the color tone of the singer's voice in pop music, rather than listening to her training like Opera singers do, cause no one can sing Opera well when they are born, but their voice tone and color tones are born. For example, I take voice training, and my vocal coach says my voice is sweet, so its more suited for songs that young maidens sing in operas, those sweet sounding ones with the high young girl voice rather than the booming Opera larger sounds sung by singers in Carmen. I could TRY to train up for those songs, but my color tone will always prevent me from getting the job of singing those songs, compare to the people who are BORN with that voice and had lots of training.

For Amy Lee, I listen to her unique sound rather than her range in singing, in the end, after all, shes a singer in a band, not some musical actress who has to shift her voice and tone to fit whatever musical she's in. Just like how I listen to Utada and Angela Aki, cause they sound unique from each other. People nowadays get tired of the Britney sounding girls and want something unique, Amy Lee came along and people loved it. And I personally liked the fact she projects better than the quivers most singers have in their voice.

Just my two cents on it.

Yeah, at the time I got into Evanescence I was about 14 and all the shit I was hearing on radio and tv was just so bland and then all of a sudden I hear her voice and it was like "wow...I can actually feel the emotion in her voice". She does have a unique sound to her voice that's very captivating, nicely said

Originally Posted by Signify

Lithium? Is that going to be a Nirvana cover? I hated their last one. . .

Hmm. I probably won't buy this, although I'll probably give it a download. Embarassingly enough, I'm somewhat interested.

Nope it's a "power ballad" of some sort.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Kairi Li

And I like to add something about Amy Lee's voice. I think the reason we liker her singing cause of her unique color tone and voice, while perhaps some more vocal training will do her good, so far I hardly met many people who can even imitate her voice and the way she projects.

Most people in the end listen to the color tone of the singer's voice in pop music, rather than listening to her training like Opera singers do, cause no one can sing Opera well when they are born, but their voice tone and color tones are born. For example, I take voice training, and my vocal coach says my voice is sweet, so its more suited for songs that young maidens sing in operas, those sweet sounding ones with the high young girl voice rather than the booming Opera larger sounds sung by singers in Carmen. I could TRY to train up for those songs, but my color tone will always prevent me from getting the job of singing those songs, compare to the people who are BORN with that voice and had lots of training.

For Amy Lee, I listen to her unique sound rather than her range in singing, in the end, after all, shes a singer in a band, not some musical actress who has to shift her voice and tone to fit whatever musical she's in. Just like how I listen to Utada and Angela Aki, cause they sound unique from each other. People nowadays get tired of the Britney sounding girls and want something unique, Amy Lee came along and people loved it. And I personally liked the fact she projects better than the quivers most singers have in their voice.

I like to think that everyone could go about building a unique voice, but you can't disregard the range. Expanding the range usually helps the singer building this voice. I think it's important that she can still work on it and improve perhaps her live performance (one area of criticism). The problem with such a short range is that, there is not a lot of room for expansion for future songs begin to sound alike if you know what I mean.

Is your colour tone got anything to do with your range? As in, if you had the lower range, there will be more of a chest voice coming through or something?

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hey, almost forgot about Evanescence. My first exposure to them was Fallen and I still love that album. I have been anticipating what they got brewed up next.

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Originally Posted by electric_eye

I like to think that everyone could go about building a unique voice, but you can't disregard the range. Expanding the range usually helps the singer building this voice. I think it's important that she can still work on it and improve perhaps her live performance (one area of criticism). The problem with such a short range is that, there is not a lot of room for expansion for future songs begin to sound alike if you know what I mean.

Is your colour tone got anything to do with your range? As in, if you had the lower range, there will be more of a chest voice coming through or something?

It all depends on what style I'm singing, if its more of a modern song, like say, an Angela Aki song, or one of the songs from Silent Hill, its more of a firmer deeper chest voice and I belt it out. If I'm singing more classical stuff it will be more like, I dunno, Charlotte Church in her early days I guess. I myself tend to imitate different voices while I sing, unlike most singers who have a distinct vocal color. It prob stem from trying to imitate cartoon voices when I was a kid.

Amy Lee should work on her range if she is gonna sing different styles yes, but usually thats more important if you're an actress in musicals or something, when you're in a band or a solo artist in the pop and rock industry, well, people tend to stick to how they usually sound like and rarely go over the edge. I mean, Avril, Michelle Branch, Utada and many others all have distinct vocal colors.

Now unless the band wants to do a variety of styles like some other artists do, I doubt Lee is gonna need to work on her range that much.

What specific range were you referring to anyway? Emotional? Cause thats like acting, and not everyone can cut loose that easily and sing their heart out. I know my weakness is unable to potray emotion when I sing. Vocal color ranges are difficult cause its like doing voice acting.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

It all depends on what style I'm singing, if its more of a modern song, like say, an Angela Aki song, or one of the songs from Silent Hill, its more of a firmer deeper chest voice and I belt it out. If I'm singing more classical stuff it will be more like, I dunno, Charlotte Church in her early days I guess. I myself tend to imitate different voices while I sing, unlike most singers who have a distinct vocal color. It prob stem from trying to imitate cartoon voices when I was a kid.

Amy Lee should work on her range if she is gonna sing different styles yes, but usually thats more important if you're an actress in musicals or something, when you're in a band or a solo artist in the pop and rock industry, well, people tend to stick to how they usually sound like and rarely go over the edge. I mean, Avril, Michelle Branch, Utada and many others all have distinct vocal colors.

Now unless the band wants to do a variety of styles like some other artists do, I doubt Lee is gonna need to work on her range that much.

What specific range were you referring to anyway? Emotional? Cause thats like acting, and not everyone can cut loose that easily and sing their heart out. I know my weakness is unable to potray emotion when I sing. Vocal color ranges are difficult cause its like doing voice acting.

Range as in like soprano, mezzo-soprano the like.

As far as singing and voice is concerned etc, I'm on a completely different boat from you, I've never really worked with these color range terms. I don't really know anything about and I suck at singing anyway.

It's hard for me to think of singing as emotional. I see it as coming across as desperate (not strictly), but of course, supposed modern punk would be one example of singing which would not appear this way. I guess it's just what we believe in, I just loathe to say I found a supposed music, song emotional, it's just a no go zone for me, a convenient barrier in my deployment of language.

Probably just ignore what I said. =(

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