speaking "right"

I don't know much about other languages, but one thing's for sure: in French, France is quite egocentrical. It is the only French-speaking place that doesn't recognize (i was told Africa does) title feminization, and it seems to denigrate any norm NOT from the Academy (my brother-in-law-to-be showed it).

What about other languages? Does Spain try to dominate the Spanish language? What about England? Germany? Russia?

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Originally Posted by Phoque le PQ

I don't know much about other languages, but one thing's for sure: in French, France is quite egocentrical. It is the only French-speaking place that doesn't recognize (i was told Africa does) title feminization, and it seems to denigrate any norm NOT from the Academy (my brother-in-law-to-be showed it).

What about other languages? Does Spain try to dominate the Spanish language? What about England? Germany? Russia?

I'm unsure as to what you're asking here.

I think you're asking if the mother country of any language is the dominating, rule-setting language?

I know that it is not so with Americans and British. I hear that the Brits in the country really hate how Americans have mutated their language. We make up words and we mutate words, we add and substract from "The Queen's English."

I also know that Quebecois have mutated the French language pretty damned well. I'll be fucked if I go up there and either UNDERSTAND them or they understand ME. I remember trying to ask the simplest of questions, and no one could understand me. Their response in French was just as horrible to understand from my perspective.

It goes without saying that any "colony" (I use that term loosely) or establishemnt of a nation or peoples that have a foreign mothertongue will tend to mutate the language to their needs.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I hear that the Brits still speak the same form of English that has been around since the birth of the language, which is good, since otherwise they would have no basis for any distaste for what Americans have "done to their language".

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by russ

I hear that the Brits still speak the same form of English that has been around since the birth of the language, which is good, since otherwise they would have no basis for any distaste for what Americans have "done to their language".

Hey man, I'm not defending the assholes. They're just as fucking bad. I think they just hate Americans - like the rest of Europe.

Apparently, the word "moron" is a completely American-made word. The Brits seem to be a little bitter about it. I'm not sure why, exactly.

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English has changed plenty since it's creation. Just try reading Chaucer. In any case, Brits aren't exactly innocent. Ever heard of Cockney?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Hey man, I'm not defending the assholes. They're just as fucking bad. I think they just hate Americans - like the rest of Europe.

I didn't mean to imply that you were defending them.

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

English has changed plenty since it's creation. Just try reading Chaucer. In any case, Brits aren't exactly innocent. Ever heard of Cockney?

Thanks for using different words to completely restate the point that I had made. I appreciate that.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I also know that Quebecois have mutated the French language pretty damned well. I'll be fucked if I go up there and either UNDERSTAND them or they understand ME.

Unless you were using very... French expressions, then those people were just kidding you; there'S NO way ppl in Quebec can't understand France's french. All our cartoons were dubbed there

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It goes without saying that any "colony" (I use that term loosely) or establishemnt of a nation or peoples that have a foreign mothertongue will tend to mutate the language to their needs.

That's what your upper class (Michel Boujenah calls them sown asses) doesn't want to understand. We've always called moose orignal (and not élan); it's not about to change

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Originally Posted by russ

I hear that the Brits still speak the same form of English that has been around since the birth of the language, which is good, since otherwise they would have no basis for any distaste for what Americans have "done to their language".

It's an attitude of the old, I hope you realise? My own English is extremely American, at times, and I'm not abnormal for my peer group. American English is different to pure British English, but there's more cross-polination than you seem to realise.

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Hi there!

In Germany the spoken language, like surely anywhere else. depends on age, place and ethnic origin <--- origin... well I'll call it like that.

younger pll thinking they're cool use many foreign English words. You could really say they're talking bullshit the whole day. They're very unpolite too.

Young fuckers calling you small asshole and ask for a cigarette (not even 13 years) They allways say. I'm the PIMP MAN!!! P. I. M. P. pronouncing each letter very strong. They have no idea of the word's meaning [loosers] And they use many many english words. I'd say 60% english words!

It's a phenomenon you only see on very stupid fuckers. Or lower class. Could be because they do not undestand english very properly. O.o
These pll don.t give a shit on gramer or anything...


Other ages:
I'd say they talk very normal.
The older ones more properly but with typical regional accent.


About rule settings:

It's very strange here. The German ministry of education thought it could be good for immigrants to reform our language to make it easier for them. That idea is about 6 years old. Hard to explain the changes in English. There were some words. I'd say they were crippled. Then for those words the rules were reseted or changed again. And now they're talking about changing it another time

so .. uhm O.o :wall:

yeah ...

about recognition:
I'd say anyone talking a bit German will be understood here And I'll think Mr. anyone will understood nativs aswell.

Hmm and I wouldn.t say Germany dominates the Language. Austria and Switz are doing their own things and they're not as stupid as Germany and change their gramer. :P

have a nice day

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I think Europe hating us has more to do with our views on world politics than our language, but Brits probably hate how bad we butcher English. Half of us don't even bother to learn to speak it correctly, let alone write or type it.
*oh god, please let there be no typos in this statement*

How ya doing, buddy?

Shouldn't this thread's title be "Speaking Properly"

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

In Chinese, the pronouns he and she are the same word.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Shouldn't this thread's title be "Speaking Properly"

It's with respect to "norms"... i guess my english still needs improvement

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younger pll thinking they're cool use many foreign English words

a german friend of mine told me that political science professors use many English words; they don't translate them

as for the "coolness": french has that problem too. Should English be a disease (i do it only for the purpose of the comparison ), then France is terminally ill

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Should English be a disease (i do it only for the purpose of the comparison ), then France is terminally ill

agreed

and bout the professors:

yes they do so .. but... They pronounce them to 99% German...
Those words are known as foreign words or Anglisizms or whatever ...
But they're used like usual words ...

WHAAHAHHAHA dunno how to explain myself ^^ uhm..
yeah..

well and many of these words have their origin in latin or thing... boing?

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I think Europe hating us has more to do with our views on world politics than our language

right...

As for me I hate the Environment-Politic...
And stupid school-looser kids telling me in any games like CS or some over Xbox - live .. I'm a Nazi...
and they know only 3 german words.
sieg h*** and Ausschwitz...
And those are blocking things having to do with vietnam with: " Wasn't born then..... And what's with me???
If I ask them if Germany is West or North from France they guess...
Often wrong.. because it's east..

Do those small fuckers think they're the best of the world?

But beside of that ... Everything is okay...


Oh and Mr.Bush ..... blast him away....

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I know that France hates to let any English words sneak into their language. The French word for Bulldozer is "Bulldozere" because, you know, the "E" on the end makes all the difference.

I think English snobbery towards American use of our language stems from the fact that every change you make to it is a form of dumbing down. It's not the new phrases and terms people dislike, all languages evolve, that's natural. What people get snobby about is the way you change spelling to make them easier. It only serves to reinforce the stereotype of all Americans being stupid.

Of course there are sloppy speakers over here, same as anywhere. Personally, in casual conversation my grammer is terrible and my accent fairly chavvy. I can, however, if I wish speak in perfetly eloquent English but then, I live in a frightfully middle class area, went to a frightfully middle class school and was on the public speaking team...

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I think those spellings were changed in defiance of Britian during the revolution. Just like we rewrote the lyrics to God Save the Queen and turned it into a patriotic song.

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Apparently, the word "moron" is a completely American-made word. The Brits seem to be a little bitter about it. I'm not sure why, exactly.

Actually, it was a psychological term, so that's weird. It was used to describe someone who is slightly retarded. An idiot was someone who was severely retarded and "trainable" was somewhere in the middle, I think.

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