[Manga] Civil War Discussion Thread

I'm on Cap's side simply from a nothing-else-makes-sense standpoint. In a recent Handbook I learned that the Mutant Registration Act failed because it was deemed unconstitutional. Yet, this Act appears to be going along fine. Heck, the government was able to start enforcing it before the President even signed! People aren't even able to openly protest the Registration Act, and I know that's unconstitutional. I love how the goal is how there won't be any more massive attacks because all the heroes will be trained and monitored. That's a pipe dream.

I really hope that Thor returns in issue #3 and begins straightening these people out...

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

They are not able to protest? Why on earth not?

The best example of this is in Civil War: Frontline #2 where Prodigy protests and is engaged in combat by Iron Man after refusing to stop. Another example I've run across is the police trying to arrest Yancy Street thugs for protesting, though I believe that they were actually damaging property.

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so where Thor is in all of this?

There is supposed to be a hero returning in the pages of Civil War #3 in a "flash of lightning" (or however Previews put it). Presumably, Thor, after retrieving his hammer in the pages of the FF as Donald Blake, will return then.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by WraithTwo

I don't think Spider-Man will die, he's just too well known and loved. If it did happen though, it would be the single ballsiest(?) move in comic book history.

- WraithTwo -

Obviously, you've forgotten the Death of Superman. That took guts. It would have been greater had he stayed dead, but, in this case, neither would Spidey. So it's really not much different.

I didn't like Civil War #3.
There's a paper with a picture of three of the Sinister Six on it. Didn't we just stop Lizard in Sensational Spider-Man? Hasn't Doc Ock been in custody since Millar's run on Marvel Knight's Spider-Man? (I've been noticing this a fair amount recently, but why are all documents and papers in Marvel written in Latin? Look at the one's in this issue. Look at the thing Speedball was supposed to sign in Front Line.)

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I find the whole idea of Emma Frost and Tony Stark having a relationship quite creepy. I do like the School's stance, though. Bishop's decision doesn't suprise me, considering he worked for the government in his time.

The whole identities thing and the continuity with Cable & Deadpool seems a bit off. But maybe the events in Cable & Deadpool happen shortly before that dinner scene.

Cloak can be tranquilized? I was under the impression he couldn't be hit by anything. And how does this stop them from teleporting? Cable has that whole bodyslide system.

Some characters are acting out of character. Sue Richards and Thing working with Tony? In their own mag, Sue expressed her discontent on the issue, claiming she didn't want to fight people she'd worked with. Thing sympathized with the protesters on Yancy Street and also seemed to dislike the idea of fighting other heroes. Doc Samson almost never solves problems with his fists. Being involved in a battle of heroes is really out of character. He usually solves things through psychoanalysis and observing. I mean, it's fine for him to support the Act because he works for the government frequently, but I think it's a stretch to say he'd fight for it.

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Thor works for S.H.I.E.L.D.? Since when? He wasn't working for them in the most recent issue of FF, which is supposedly going on at the same time. How much time has elapsed between that issue and this one to cause all of this change, including the stuff with Sue and Thing?

I would like to point out that there are a few good points. I like the stances of the School (as I've already said), Black Panther, and Dr. Strange. I'd prefer to see Strange end the whole thing by just making the Act disappear and doing a mind-wipe, but I guess that would be cheating. The art's a little better this issue, but I've isolated the problem: it's not dark enough. McNiven's art is too sunny for this dark tale.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Well, I bought a copy at my local comic book store. Other than scanning the comic and then finding a site to store such scans, there's nothing I can do. You could read the synopsis on Wikipedia, I suppose.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Well, I liked the story in issue #2 where they compared Iron Man's actions to the start of the major Roman Civil War between Caesar and Pompey. I made the comparison between this war and that one in another thread once.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The whole point of the poetic parts of Frontline are to expand on a major event within the issue by comparing it to something within history. In this way, Jenkins effectively makes parts of Civil War (or at least Frontline) have a dash of realism.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Maybe Civil War and the tie-ins need a Mike Carlin-like system of plot flow...

FELIPE NO

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...d.php?t=132152

If you guys need help, this is a thread specializing in figuring out the timeline.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

As best as I've been able to determine, this is the reading order:

New Avengers: Illuminati
Fantastic Four #536-537
Amazing Spider-Man #529-531
Civil War #1
Wolverine #42
She-Hulk #8
Civil War: Front Line #1
New Avengers #21-22
Amazing Spider-Man #532
Civil War #2
Thunderbolts #103 (part of it during CW #2)
Amazing Spider-Man #533 (also during CW #2, but after Thunderbolts)
X-Factor #8-9
Civil War: Front Line #2
Fantastic Four #538
Daily Bugle- Civil War Special
Wolverine #43-44
Civil War: Front Line #3
Thunderbolts #104
Cable & Deadpool #30
Black Panther #18
Civil War #3
Civil War- X-Men #1
Civil War: Front Line #4
Fantastic Four #539
Amazing Spider-Man #534
Civil War: Front Line #5
Ms. Marvel #6

Special Note: In regards to X-Men titles, it should be read X-Factor #8 and most of #9, then CW #3 slides in, issue 9 finishes (where Cyke is still around), and CW: X-Men begins

Keep in mind that, in some circumstances, the depicted orders of some events don't agree (which shouldn't happen, but does anyway).

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by acid

If he wasn't such a damn good writer I'd have dropped the books on principal by this point.

But his writing is the reason I stopped getting MK Spidey and would've avoided President Thor, had it been my place to decide. Granted, Ultimates is awesome and Ult. FF is currently okay (I don't know about this week's yet) but that's about it. To each his own, I suppose.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Blasphemer. Ultimate Fantastic Four has been FANTASTIC ever since Mark started writing it. Marvel should have kept him on the book.

Haven't we had this discussion before? And given his current tendency towards lateness, I'm not sure they should've kept him on the book.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by xman25

It also happens to be the BEST work of his career...

That's a lot to read, especially this late at night, but I want to comment on this part. Is this really going to be considered the best work he's ever done? Maybe he's forgetting Meridian. Maybe he doesn't realize that McNiven's art doesn't really suit the Civil War story. Maybe he means in a sense of, "This is what he'll be remembered for."

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I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Doesn't fit the story? Uhh... I find it perfect. Ok, well, that's just another area where our tastes disagree.

It just doesan't seem dark enough to me. Those last few pages in #3 were the only ones that seemed to have the right mood. Just thought I should clarify.

I'm not surprised to hear all of this. From my experience, it's usually the artist holding a mag back. Recently, it happened in IC, as mentioned. I believe it also happened in Uncanny.

I was speaking idiomatically.

As I was reading that, it felt to me like Brevroot didn't know his own story in some cases. Dr. Strange is in the Sanctum. Really. Cable is a cyborg? (I guess it depends on how you look at it.) And using guns?

It seems to me that he's trying to say that events in FF take place a few weeks before Civil War #3, but that doesn't fit into the timeline we've already laid out. This might explain Ben and Sue's presence at the battle.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by -Happy-

You mean you haven't seen Liefeld's work? =P

p.s. Cable isn't a cyborg. Who said this?

In my experience, a few have. However, the comment was directed at statements made my Brevoort.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Heroes for Hire was pretty awesome. It was a fun book to read. It had its serious bits, but the main focus was on comedy.

It would have had to have been with Paladin looking like that.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Yeah, I saw that, too. I'm not interested in any of those characters, so I'll pass. Though, the thing with Howard does seem intriguing.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

http://marvel.com/universe/Howard_the_Duck

He's sort of a cult hit. Like Spider-Girl and Manhunter, he's got a following.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I've seen this preview and it adds fuel to the fire that this Thor isn't the real one.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by xman25

I hadn't realized people were thinking that this Thor isn't the real one. What makes people think that this might be a fake Thor?

xman25

There are various, circumstantial reasons. When D.B. traveled to Ohio (I think that's right), we didn't actually see him grab the hammer. The fact that he's on the pro-side seems odd, given the character's history. )I'm sure there's more, but I don't remember any more than that.) In this preview, he doesn't talk like he used to and seems to be very bloodthirsty, an unusual characteristic.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

He wasn't pissed off when it happened. He seemed rather calm.

I was speaking idiomatically.

It won't be the symbiote. It'll be Black Cat's costume, worn for the same reason Superman makes his symbol red and black instead of red and yellow. And the fact that Alonso is talking about this event leading to another event clearly shows that Marvel has learned nothing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I don't like the idea of Cap going to Canada, nor do I like that the artist is clearly ignoring Beta Ray's mini-series. I do like that that appears to be Talisman.

FELIPE NO

No. They just need to stop doing a Spider-Man event once every year.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

That's not what I meant at all. And, yes, in a sense it's an event. Him returning to his black costume is an important event. It'll cause questions and fan outcry (mainly positive). The fact that Peter's being introspective, which is why he dawns the suit, makes it a story.

Jam it back in, in the dark.