[Manga] Civil War Discussion Thread

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He's sort of a cult hit. Like Spider-Girl and Manhunter, he's got a following.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Civil War #4 preview! I won't post the images just incase people wanna avoid spoilers, but man this issue looking to be sweet!

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LOOKING INSIDE CIVIL WAR #4
In lieu of our weekly New Joe Fridays chat with Marvel Editor in Chief (more on that in a moment), we're pulling a changeup this week, and previewing a little of Civil War #4 which is due in stores on September 20th.
Rather than full pages however, Marvel opted for previewing panels from the issue, given the events that the characters in the panels shown are reacting to, or events that are about to happen. (and no, smarty pantses - they're not showing panels because this is all of the book that's done. Issue #4 is complete and ready to roll for 9/20).

As for New Joe Fridays - well, check back on Monday for a special edition of our normal Q&A that we're going to call Joe Monday in honor of the occasion. Why on a Monday? Marvel is presenting a chunk of its upcoming editorial plans at the Diamond Retailer Summit in Baltimore on Monday evening, and Joe has promised to come by Newsarama and help spill the beans on the new creative team on Runaways after BKV and Alphona leave, the creative team on _____, and more.

So - in the meantime, check the panels, check over the weekend for news from the Baltimore Comicon, and be sure to stop back on Monday for a very special Joe Monday.

As for what's going on, issue #4 picks up just after #3's final page, that is, with Thor touching down…and not looking too happy.

Source: http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/C...lWar04Pre.html

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I've seen this preview and it adds fuel to the fire that this Thor isn't the real one.

FELIPE NO

I hadn't realized people were thinking that this Thor isn't the real one. What makes people think that this might be a fake Thor?

xman25

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Cap dies in 4. This is going to be sweet.

EDIT: this is my personal guess based on the solicits and preview.

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Originally Posted by xman25

I hadn't realized people were thinking that this Thor isn't the real one. What makes people think that this might be a fake Thor?

xman25

There are various, circumstantial reasons. When D.B. traveled to Ohio (I think that's right), we didn't actually see him grab the hammer. The fact that he's on the pro-side seems odd, given the character's history. )I'm sure there's more, but I don't remember any more than that.) In this preview, he doesn't talk like he used to and seems to be very bloodthirsty, an unusual characteristic.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Thor died. I'm sure death changes people.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Thor's a god. I'm sure he just feels like putting people in their place. I assume Ragnarok pissed him off JUST A BIT.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

He wasn't pissed off when it happened. He seemed rather calm.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Even though this interview is about Spider-Man after 'Civil War' it's still 'Civil War' related. 'Civil War' is mentioned several times. I got this from comicbookresources.com:

SPIDER-MAN'S BACK IN BLACK IN FEBRUARY

by Jonah Weiland, Executive Producer
Posted: September 11, 2006

In February, 2007, following the events of "Civil War," Spider-Man will once again don the black costume beginning with "Amazing Spider-Man" #539. What's this all mean? Does this signify the return of the symbiont? What does this all mean for the rest of the Marvel Univerise? We spoke with editor Axel Alonso for more.


Q) Hey Axel, let's get into it. So, you've got Spider-Man in the black costume again, huh? Give us the low down.

A) In February, Spider-Man will be going back into the black costume. There will be a reason for this and in the post "Civil War" world it will make sense. There are a number of details that we're still working out right now, but we do know this will be the "Back in Black" event, so in all three Spider-Man titles and elsewhere he'll be appearing in the black costume. That will take place February through June. In July, that's when we're teeing up our next event.

Q) So, Peter's back in the black costume. Does this mean the symbiont has returned? Does this mean he's just back in the black costume?

A) You'll have to wait and see. In the post "Civil War" world the black costume makes sense.

Q) And JMS is still on the title at this point, right?

A) Absolutely.

Q) It sounds to me like the black costume is, in many ways, a metaphor for what the Marvel Universe has become following "Civil War."

A) What I'll say is that it's a metaphor for how Spider-Man is feeling.

Q) Wow. OK. A costume change is simply that, but does this have larger implications for the Marvel Universe?

A) Well, I hesitate to use words like larger implications because there are catastrophic things that have happened that involve buildings toppling, and then there is stuff that reflects on character, so it depends on what you mean by that. It's no small decision for Peter to go back into the Black costume - it's reflective of his state of mind. I'm not playing my cards when I tell you that the fact it's in a post-"Civil War" setting is relevant. A lot of things will occur in "Civil War" that affect Spider-Man on a personal basis, so he has good reason to get into this costume, let's put it that way.

Q) I don't want to make this sound like I think Spider-Man/Peter Parker is any sort of wimp, but in many ways the character is one of the more sensitive members of the Marvel Universe, so this all makes a certain amount of sense.

A) Well, the thing about Peter Parker is he's very different from let's say Tony Stark or Steve Rogers. His role in "Civil War" reflects his role in the larger Marvel Universe. This is a guy who crashes on his Aunt's couch - he doesn't own a mansion and he didn't fight in World War II. In that light, if you take a look at something like "Civil War," Steve Rogers and Tony Stark come to this as full-formed adults with very firm convictions in what they believe in. Peter is like the rest of us - kind of always in a search to find himself. Of course, there are basic values that he has and we all know what those are. I think of him as being sort of the heart of the Marvel Universe - he's the guy who makes mistakes, corrects those mistakes and tries to get better.

Q) Does this also signify a change in the way Spider-Man/Peter Parker will act in the Marvel Universe?

A) To a degree, yes, but it's also reflective of what he's gone through and what's acted upon him. Again, I have to be a little bit cryptic because there are story reasons why he's going into the black costume and, again, it's reflective of his state of mind and his reality.

Q) One thing comic fans always wonder about are the long term affects of any sort of major change to a character. Here we're potentially seeing a new side of Peter Parker/Spider-Man. How will this play out for Peter?

A) Let's just say it is part of the long-term ramifications of what he's been through. All due respect, sometimes it's hard to answer these questions because it's almost like people want to know if this or that will have long and final earth shattering ramifications or something. Again, it all comes down to how you look at it. Some of the best stories are the more subtle ones. The death of one's parent, for instance, is that earth shattering and does it have long term ramifications? Yeah, on one level it absolutely does, but on another level it's a small personal story and then someone makes peace with that and moves on. So, in that light, we're trying to look at him as being a real character who's been through a real experience in "Civil War" and a real experience that has been affected by what he's seen happen, how he's participated in it, who wins and if in fact they really win, who looses and if in fact they really lost and who's still around when the smoke clears. All of these things are relevant. So, yeah, in one sense you could say it'll have long term ramifications. Will he stay in the black tights forever? I don't think it's any sort of spoiler when I say odds are you'll see him in the red and blue again. Again, the question is what does it mean to him at this moment, why is it crucial, why is it important and what does it reflect?

Q) Now, obviously this storyline isn't just about a guy in a black costume. What can you say about what you'll be exploring in this storyline?

A) Again I have to be cryptic, but we know that Peter will be put through the ringer physically and emotionally. When the smoke clears he'll have to look at himself in the mirror and look around to see who's still standing. His relationships with a number of people will be profoundly changed. Again, even subtracting Spider-Man out of the equation, the relationship between Captain American and Iron Man is changed. For the long term? Yes. Forever? We'll find out. Likewise with Peter.

We prefer to look at these characters as being characters and not icons. They're going to bounce back from everything until we decide we're willing to kill them, and sometimes even then! [laughs] At the end of the day, what you're looking at is that the most important thing here is in February Peter will exist in a world in which the "Civil War" has been resolved and now he has to get on with the hard task of living.

Q) Now, the next Spider-Man film features Peter in the black costume. Was the impetus for moving Spidey into the black costume based solely on the film?

A) For the most cynical fans out there who'll say Marvel wants Spider-Man in the black costume because of the movie, they're only 10% right. The beauty is we knew 16 months ago as we were planning out the thrust of "Civil War" and beyond, how all of this laid out beautifully for us to move into the future. So, the thing is the timing is perfect. We understand the motivations behind the change. The same as when we were planning "Civil War" and people would guess that maybe Cap would be the pro-registration guy and some complained that he would be, but then they saw how it was rendered and why he was motivated to do what he did. That's what's driving us right now. Character motivations and how they react to what's going on around them.

Q) So, you're saying that it's mostly a lucky bit of synergy that the black costume plays well into your plans, while at the same time the film makers are making this change as well?

A) Right. We didn't have to reach for reasons to put him in the black costume.
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The interview also has a picture of the cover art to 'Amazing Spider-Man' #539

xman25

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It won't be the symbiote. It'll be Black Cat's costume, worn for the same reason Superman makes his symbol red and black instead of red and yellow. And the fact that Alonso is talking about this event leading to another event clearly shows that Marvel has learned nothing.

FELIPE NO

I'd say it reminds me more about Sipder-Woman's costume. Maybe she dies when the SHIELD squad intercepts the Shroud and her in Ms Marvel 06...

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by melkor

I'd say it reminds me more about Sipder-Woman's costume. Maybe she dies when the SHIELD squad intercepts the Shroud and her in Ms Marvel 06...

She doesn't,It she seem like she ditchs America entirely and is joining the new Alpha Flight(Omega Flight)


from what the preview pic indicates

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I don't like the idea of Cap going to Canada, nor do I like that the artist is clearly ignoring Beta Ray's mini-series. I do like that that appears to be Talisman.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

this is what i wrote in irc

[22:13] > ohoho so spiderman goes back to the black suit
[22:14] > peter will probably kill stark
[22:14] > and feel sad sad sad
[22:14] > and the symbiote has always left a piece of him in him
[22:14] > and it will use that sadness and rage to grow!

lol who knows, like the cover though

no homo

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

And the fact that Alonso is talking about this event leading to another event clearly shows that Marvel has learned nothing.

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? What, should they make every new arc pretend that the previous one didn't happen or something?

Double Post:

Originally Posted by leo

She doesn't,It she seem like she ditchs America entirely and is joining the new Alpha Flight(Omega Flight)


from what the preview pic indicates

There goes my theory that Cap dies during Civil War. Also, I like how he doesn't appear to be the leader of that team.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

No. They just need to stop doing a Spider-Man event once every year.

I was speaking idiomatically.

It's not an event, it's a story arc. Oh wait, events and story arcs are the same thing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

That's not what I meant at all. And, yes, in a sense it's an event. Him returning to his black costume is an important event. It'll cause questions and fan outcry (mainly positive). The fact that Peter's being introspective, which is why he dawns the suit, makes it a story.

FELIPE NO

So you're saying that they should write useless stories with a great character and waste his potential by making nothing meaningful happen? Ya, a year's worth of him catching random criminals is a great idea.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I'm saying they revert him back to the Spidey I liked, I suppose. Red and blue. No new powers. Secret identity. Not constantly second-guessing himself (which is what this sounds like this is going to be). You need to stop exaggerating my statements.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You need to stop wanting Marvel to re-write a character's history just to please you.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

You need to stop wanting Marvel to re-write a character's history just to please you.

Re-write their history? I suppose you could call it that. I mainly just want them to get back to telling good stories without changing the powers, history, or dynamic of the main character(s). And maybe my assumptions about this new arc will be proven false when it comes out. I've really no way to know.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Minor comment on the Alpha Flight image:

Isn't that supposed to be US Agent, not Captain America?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Re-write their history? I suppose you could call it that. I mainly just want them to get back to telling good stories without changing the powers, history, or dynamic of the main character(s). And maybe my assumptions about this new arc will be proven false when it comes out. I've really no way to know.

well you know, after this many years it's getting kinda hard to tell a good story without like doing something new :/, which this whole civil war thing is doing, brining new juice to the juicer.

How ya doing, buddy?