[Manga] Civil War Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Blasphemer. Ultimate Fantastic Four has been FANTASTIC ever since Mark started writing it. Marvel should have kept him on the book.

Haven't we had this discussion before? And given his current tendency towards lateness, I'm not sure they should've kept him on the book.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Haven't we had this discussion before? And given his current tendency towards lateness, I'm not sure they should've kept him on the book.

Have we? I don't remember. Also, I have a feeling that McNiven is the one delaying Civil War. Maybe something bad happened to one of them?

But ya, splitting Ultimates 2 #12 into two issues and then delaying them was a slap in the face. I'm glad that I don't pay for them.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Its not Millar thats the problem its McNieven. Millar admitted on his board that McNieven had no lead time and that Marvel was planning on having a fill in come in for 5, but they changed their minds because they didn`t want it to turn into IC with lots of fill ins.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

From comicbookresources.com:

"MILLAR & McNIVEN RESPOND TO "CIVIL WAR" DELAY NEWS

by Jonah Weiland, Executive Producer
Posted: August 16, 2006

When the news broke yesterday that Marvel would delay the release of "Civil War" to allow artist Steve McNiven time catch-up and finish the series himself versus bringing in another artist, the reaction was loud and sometimes contentious in comics communities all over, including here on CBR's own Civil War Forum.

First up, Mark Millar responded to the news on his forum here:


All I can say is that this is really good of Marvel. Why? Let me explain. Civil War is seven issues long and both the first and last issues were extra-sized. Steve is a pretty fast artist, maybe a nine or ten books a year guy, but he only had a six or seven week head start on this series. Absolutely nothing at all. And it was always going to catch up with him, especially given that 100 characters appear in every issue and it's the most labour-intensive thing he's ever drawn. It also happens to be the BEST work of his career and Marvel could easily-- EASILY-- just done what DC did and stick fill-in guys on the series. In fact, we EXPECTED it for issue five because we knew a lot of titles like FF and so on were tying in.
But you know what? They didn't. MCW has rocketed Marvel profits lately. The new figures aren't available yet, but we're doubling and sometimes trebling the sales on the tie-in books, the anthology title-- an ANTHOLOGY TITLE-- is doing over 100K and we're heading towards 400K with the book itself. Marvel believe in the project and they feel me and Steve have formed a good team. Something they don't want to fuck with for the sake of squeezing a few more bucks into the next financial quarter and so, after doing their sums, decided they'll take a hit. Now this is a pain in the arse for being reading the book because it means waiting a few more weeks for Steve to finish. It's also a pain for people enjoying the tie-ins. But Steve is hammering away here and these books will all be done and dusted by the New Year and the series, and tie-ins, will all be published completely soon afterwards by the original teams and without some grotty fill-ins. It also means the collections remain looking great.

It's a hiccup, sure, but I appreciate what they're doing. Seriously, it would have been easy for them and made them MUCH more money to get someone else in to draw issue five, but they believe in our thing, it's worked out bigger and better than any of us dreamed and they want it to look as cool as it was originally conceived.

In short, apologies for the art delays, but it's worth it.

Lotsa love, MM

Later in the day, McNiven spoke with fans through Mark Millar on the Millarworld Forums and addressed the issue:


Hey folks, just thought I should get a post up here. First up apologies to the fans and retailers of civil war. The responsibility for the art delays lies with me, period. I've been working harder than I ever have, (and this is my third profession), but this is the hardest project I've ever done and as Mark said, I had little lead time. It was as big a surprise to me as anyone else that Marvel changed its publishing schedule to allow Mark and I to finish the series together.
When I was sent word of this yesterday, I realized the problems that this will cause for readers and retailers immediately. After reading Hitchy's post I am beginning to understand why Marvel went this way, but it still amazes me. Of course I am proud of the work I have done on Civil War and I am chuffed that Marvel feels the same way, but I worry for the people that could be negatively effected by this. Please realize that the art delays were never meant in a malicious way nor am I being a prima donna with my work. What I'm trying is to do service to the exceptional story that Mark has written. That's it, and is all that I focus on when I'm at the table. I let Marvel know exactly where I am on a daily basis, from day one, so that they can make the decisions like the one they have made. I'll continue to work hard to put out the rest of this series with the best work I can do in the time I have been given and I hope that you, the fans and retailers will stick with us, 'cause Mark has written a real gem here.

Thanks,

Steve

"Hitchy's post" is in reference to a message left by artist Bryan Hitch earlier in the day supporting Marvel's decision to delay the series:


It's easy to think that having a late book is terminal and everybody flies into a panic because it's been a condition of the industry for so long. This is an industry that has, for most of it's seventy years, made it's living on periodicals and we all know they have a limited shelf life. If your book is a month late n the magazine racks your space goes to somebody else because the stores and newsagents wnat it filled.
This is not the case now; for a start comics are mostly sold in specialty stores and they will keep books on shelves for far longer than a single month, secondly there has been an enormous growth in revenue from collections and so called graphic novels.

Years back Perez hit his deadlines on Crisis by eventually going to breakdowns but had Ordway on finishes so the standard was high. Nobody was expecting twenty-five years of continued reformatting and sales of the collections, they were just aiming at deadlines. However, as much as I love my Absolute collection of Crisis as a mark of my comics reading childhood, I don't love the fact they had three different styles on the finish from three different inkers. I hate that on Infinite Crisis that so many cooks are involved when the fab Phil J should have been allowed to complete the project for my own tastes, anyway.

Two of my favourite re-reads in collections are Dark Knight and Watchmen. Nobody now remembers that each was late at the time of the original periodicals but that was a blip, a couple of years in each's 25 year publication history and these will STILL be published 25 years from now. I love these books but how awful would it have been if the otherwise brilliant Jim Aparo had drawn issue 3 of DK, or that DC had Alan Davis do an issue of Watcmen. Both brilliant guys but you would have hated the blip in the collections for the short term gain.

These days we have the benefit of hindsight and there are precedents. You can't set out to create a classic or a series with longevity but it's getting easier for publishers to spot them as they unfold because the collection market is so large now and one can see what works and what doesn't. A fill-in might potentially stave off an unfortunate delay but hurt the long term property potential and the only reason a company would consider a fill-in necessary would be to avoid a financial hit in the short term not to keep you guys happy. If they are willing to take what must be a massive hit in the pocket, believing in it's long term potential, to allow it's creators to finish the book as intended then that isn't really a bad thing.

If we do things the way they have always been done then we don't develop. It pays to be flexible, I guess and Marvel obviously believe they are doing the best thing in the long game for a product they believe in and one that has already proven more successful than they belived possible.

Mark isn't exaggerating when he talks of how quickly this thing was put together and the small lead time. Nobody had intended the book to even exist; other plans were in place but the geniuses of Bendis and especially Mighty Mark started the ball rolling that Mark would evolve into Civil War (which also means we have to find a new title for our big follow up, so thanks MM). It's also been the biggest jobs of both Markie and Stevie's careers and required an enormous amount of work from both. Watcmen was bi-monthly remember and wasn't a crossover. I envy them their massive sucess but not the even more massive work involved. Nobody gets paid more for working harder in comics.

Mark and Steve should be applauded for the efforts as those efforts are a clear indicator of why the book is a success. Marvel should also be applauded for making sure everybody gets the best prossible product. It's a delay guys, not a cancellation. Certainly not a crisis!"

Also from comicbookresources:

"CIVIL WAR" EDITOR TOM BREVOORT ADDRESSES DELAYS

by Jonah Weiland, Executive Producer
Posted: August 16, 2006

With the news of delays to come for "Civil War" out there as responses from the creative team already in, CBR News took a moment to catch up with "Civil War" Editor Tom Brevoort to discuss the delay, the reasons behind it and how Marvel is addressing the issue for fans and retailers.



Q) Tom, thanks for talking with CBR on a day that I'm sure has been pretty hectic. Let's begin by making sure we're all on the same page here because there's a yelling and screaming and finger pointing throughout the Intner. Steve McNiven said previously the delay is primarily to accommodate his schedule and to allow him to finish the series himself. In your own words, what was the reason for the delay?

A) The reason for the delay is to ensure that we'll be able to finish this project with the same creative team that we began with, and at the same quality level we've maintained so far.

And not that anybody will believe me when I say this, but these delays aren't at all because we're changing the story "Armageddon 2001"-style. [Editor's Note: This is in reference to changes made mid-stream during DC Comics' Armageddon event. Half way through the series the identity of the villain was revealed and last minute changes were made to keep a surprise ending.] There are some elements that are shifting around-hence the new 11th issue of "Front Line," but that's simply an issue of us having more elements on the canvas than we have space for in the remaining pages. But the ending that you will read will be the same ending we spent two days coming up with at our editorial retreat back towards the end of '05, the one that Joss Whedon visited briefly. Sorry, conspiracy theorists!

Q) In the past when faced with a situation like this publishers have often simple brought in a guest artist. Why the decision not to bring a guest artist in on "Civil War" to keep the series on time?

A) It's no great surprise: fill-in artists suck. And as much as everybody complains about delays like this, and how they're going to hurt sales and interest, the plain fact of the matter is that fill-in artists hurt it worse - they just do it more quietly, so people who aren't in the industry and don't see the sales numbers don't really realize. For all that everybody's up in arms about the delay, what readers really want when you get down to the content of what they're saying is for the project to be monthly by Mark and Steve. And when that becomes an impossibility, you have to ask yourself what's going to cause more lasting damage, long-term? I'm glad that people seem this upset because it shows that they're really into the story, that they can't wait until the next one comes out, but the reason that they feel that way is because Mark and Steve are producing an incredible book. And as soon as you bring in a replacement, you can immediately see the ardor of the fans start to cool.

To throw out two examples, look at "Ultimate Extinction" and the follow-up "Ultimate Galactus" series. They all sold well enough at the end of the day, but as soon as we had to bring in substitute artists - quality artists in all cases - the momentum of the series immediately started to slow. That trilogy should have been a monster seller for the Ultimate line, but it wasn't. And I think the reason that it wasn't is that the integrity of the project was compromised as we tried to meet the schedule. And that'll also effect the long-term sell-through of the "Ultimate Galactus" trade paperbacks. Or you can look across town at the end of "Infinite Crisis." You can almost chart where the bloom started to go off the rose at the moment when they had to pull Ivan Reis in to do a couple of pages in issue #3. In the short-term, people were willing to put up with it, but as each successive issue had to rely more and more heavily on substitute artists in greater and greater quantity, you could just see the dissatisfaction creep in - to the point where what seemed to be most discussed about issue #7 was the art inconsistency. I'm not saying that DC was wrong to do this - I don't know what kinds of financial pressures they might have been under, or publishing plan pressures they might have been under. But what I can tell for certain is what it did to the reading experience. And having seen that, I choose to try to learn from it.

Plus, these days you simply have to factor in the eventual trade paperback or hardcover collections, as they've become a significant part of the revenue stream. On another board, Bryan Hitch correctly pointed out that nobody today really remembers the four-month wait between "Dark Knight Returns" #2 and #3 - heck, most of the people reading this likely first read that story as a collected edition. And that's because the work is strong, and has stood the test of time. It wasn't compromised simply to meet the monthly schedule, and as a result, DC and the retailers will be able to sell it forever. I think that's the model for the future.

Q) Word is that Steve McNiven was given a shorter than normal lead time for this project at just six weeks. Is that accurate?

A) No, not quite. Steve had a shorter lead time for the project than we might have liked, but he sent me the first page of issue #1 on 1/3/06, so he's been actively penciling on it since the very tail end of last year. But it's a complicated book and a complicated story, and includes numerous characters that Steve isn't all that familiar with or hasn't completely wrapped his head around drawing before this. And it's at the center of a massive promotional spotlight, so the pressure to excel is incredible.

Q) Allright, so not quite as short a lead time as some have said, but still a shorter lead time than you would have liked. Why exactly was there such a short lead time?

A) It's pretty simple. We didn't come up with the concept for "Civil War" until that writer's retreat towards the middle-end of 2005 - September September I think it was. And the lay-of-the-land at that moment was perfect for it, provided that we got underway immediately, perfect in a way that wouldn't necessarily be the same another six months or a year down the line.

Q) Would you mind explaining to our readers what exactly this lead time means for Steve?

A) I'm not sure where the six weeks number came from. Steve takes about six weeks to pencil an average comic book, so maybe that's it. So I can't chart where it's being calculated from as a starting point. What I can tell you for certain is that I received the first page of issue #1 on 1/3/06, and that was for a book that shipped to stores on 5/3/06, so that's four months right there (although, to be fair, that first book was larger than normal, and you have to shave off a month of time for when the book actually has to go to the printer, approximately 4/3/06.)

Q) One of the big issues brought up by fans on many different forums including our own is the question of whether Steve McNiven could handle the schedule in the first place. According to Steve's own admission, he's not the fastest artist in the world and once said that he's only capable of approximately nine issues a year. With hind sight being 20/20, was it a mistake to schedule "Civil War" #1 when you did knowing Steve's artistic speed?

A) No, because without Steve McNiven we wouldn't have had "Civil War" to begin with. Mark was supposed to be taking this year largely off, to rest and recuperate at the instruction of his doctors. But he came up with the idea behind "Civil War" and was excited to do it - but it would only be worth the personal sacrifice if he could do the book with Steve. If McNiven had been unavailable, or uninterested in the project, there wouldn't have even been a project in the first place.

Plus "Civil War" is a crossover, and a crossover involves coordinating events across the entire line of books. As such, it's far more timely in terms of the overall publishing plan than an ordinary story. If we decided to try to hold off on "Civil War" until, say, December, what that means for the rest of the line is that none of the creators on any of the regular books can do anything to substantively change the status quo in their individual titles. Talk about working in a straitjacket, not to mention comics that the readership will quickly grow bored with.

Q) Why wasn't there more advance notice about the delay given to retailers?

A) We were trying to be responsible, believe it or not, and give retailers the whole picture of the ripple effect these changes would have to the entirety of the back end of "Civil War's" shipping schedule. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for us to simply say that "Civil War" #4 was going to be a week late, and then two weeks late again a week later, and so on, but we wanted to give everybody as much ample warning as possible, especially retailers so that they could manage their cash flow.

Q) What kind of e-mails and calls have you been getting from comics retailers? What feedback are they giving you? Does Marvel have any plans to help soften the financial blow some smaller retailers will take as a result of this delay?

A) I don't know the sum total of the response we've been seeing from retailers - that's more a question for David Gabriel. But on the matter of the financial blow, one of the things that changes along with the revised shipping schedule is revised Final Order Cutoff dates. So any retailer who believes that these delays are going to decimate his readers' interest in the project can immediately go to the Diamond site and cut back their orders. Or, if they need to reallocate funds for cash-flow reasons, they can reduce their CIVIL WAR numbers now, and re-up them in two weeks' time. So other than the fact that they're not going to be seeing "Civil War" dollars when they were expecting to, I don't know how much damage this can really have on the smaller shops. I may be missing something, though.

I do know that this is the biggest pain in the ass for the retailers, and I'm sorry that they have to deal with all of this.

Q) Essentially, the delay announced by Marvel constitutes a two month delay for issue #5. Will the series return to monthly publication following the release of issue #5?

A) I can tell you that for certain that they won't - which is what that whole list of dates and adjustments was about. We reworked the schedule for the entire back end of the crossover, and all of the affected titles, and gave those new dates to everybody all at once so that they could see how this will domino across everything. And hopefully, we've calculated correctly, and everything will go off like clockwork from this point on. But I'd be lying if I said I could absolutely guarantee that - the writer, for example, has a chronic disease that could quite possibly take him off the board at any time for an undetermined amount of time. Or it might not - but it's impossible to say for certain.

Thanks, Tom.
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xman25

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by xman25

It also happens to be the BEST work of his career...

That's a lot to read, especially this late at night, but I want to comment on this part. Is this really going to be considered the best work he's ever done? Maybe he's forgetting Meridian. Maybe he doesn't realize that McNiven's art doesn't really suit the Civil War story. Maybe he means in a sense of, "This is what he'll be remembered for."

...

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Alright, so I feel like a jerk for getting all antsy. Hitch made me realize I was wrong. Solid decision by Marvel. Multiple artists really do ruin books.

Double Post:

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

That's a lot to read, especially this late at night, but I want to comment on this part. Is this really going to be considered the best work he's ever done? Maybe he's forgetting Meridian. Maybe he doesn't realize that McNiven's art doesn't really suit the Civil War story. Maybe he means in a sense of, "This is what he'll be remembered for."

...

Doesn't fit the story? Uhh... I find it perfect. Ok, well, that's just another area where our tastes disagree.

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Thanks for the info xman25! That really gives us a much clearer view on the situation. At least there'll be consistency in the art for the CW series, which is clearly what Marvel wants for the series.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Doesn't fit the story? Uhh... I find it perfect. Ok, well, that's just another area where our tastes disagree.

It just doesan't seem dark enough to me. Those last few pages in #3 were the only ones that seemed to have the right mood. Just thought I should clarify.

I'm not surprised to hear all of this. From my experience, it's usually the artist holding a mag back. Recently, it happened in IC, as mentioned. I believe it also happened in Uncanny.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

From silverbulletcomicbooks.com:

Civil War Checklist Expanded

Posted: Friday, August 18
Posted By: Keith Dallas

The biggest crossover in Marvel history has gotten even bigger. And to help fans keep track of their essential Civil War reading, Marvel is releasing a new Civil War checklist through retailers on September 13.

The updated checklist can be found below with the additions highlighted in yellow. Civil War has yet to even reach the halfway mark, so be prepared for even more shocks and surprises as war takes its toll on the Marvel Universe.

SEPTEMBER

CIVIL WAR #4
CIVIL WAR FILES
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #6
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #3
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #3
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #535
CABLE & DEADPOOL #32
CAPTAIN AMERICA #22
FANTASTIC FOUR #540
HEROES FOR HIRE #2
MS. MARVEL #7
NEW AVENGERS #24
WOLVERINE #46

OCTOBER

CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (One Shot)
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #7
CIVIL WAR: X-MEN #4
CIVIL WAR: YOUNG AVENGERS & RUNAWAYS #4
CAPTAIN AMERICA #23
HEROES FOR HIRE #3
IRON MAN #13
MS. MARVEL #8
NEW AVENGERS #25
WOLVERINE #47

NOVEMBER

CIVIL WAR #5
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #8
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #536
CAPTAIN AMERICA #24
FANTASTIC FOUR #541
IRON MAN #14
MOON KNIGHT #7 ("Casualties of War")
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #1
WOLVERINE #48

DECEMBER

CIVIL WAR #6
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #9
BLACK PANTHER #23
CIVIL WAR: WAR CRIMES (One Shot)
IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA SPECIAL ("Casualties of War")
MOON KNIGHT #8 ("Casualties of War")
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #2
WINTER SOLDIER: WINTER KILLS ("Casualties of War")

JANUARY 2007

CIVIL WAR #7
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #537
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #538
BLACK PANTHER #24
BLADE #5 ("Casualties of War")
CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #10
FANTASTIC FOUR #542
FANTASTIC FOUR #543
MOON KNIGHT #10 ("Casualties of War")
PUNISHER: WAR JOURNAL #3

FEBRUARY 2007

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE #11
CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT
BLACK PANTHER #25
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I'm split about Marvel expanding the Civil War checklist. On one hand the expansion adds to the story. Gives a more in-depth look at how everyone and everything is being affected by what is going on. On the other hand it could thin out the story, stretch it out too far. Make the story become too big and difficult to keep track of. Plus, it makes keeping up with the whole story more expensive. Some people might not be able to afford to pick up every single issue. They would miss out on some (potentially) important plot points/story arcs.

xman25

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

thx for the update. I keep digging this civil war more and more.

no homo

Sweet ass cover for CW4! The Turner variant looks cool too.




Source (contains an interview with Tom Brevoort): http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/C...WarRoom03.html

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

As I was reading that, it felt to me like Brevroot didn't know his own story in some cases. Dr. Strange is in the Sanctum. Really. Cable is a cyborg? (I guess it depends on how you look at it.) And using guns?

It seems to me that he's trying to say that events in FF take place a few weeks before Civil War #3, but that doesn't fit into the timeline we've already laid out. This might explain Ben and Sue's presence at the battle.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Cable is a cyborg? (I guess it depends on how you look at it.) And using guns?

You mean you haven't seen Liefeld's work? =P

p.s. Cable isn't a cyborg. Who said this?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by -Happy-

You mean you haven't seen Liefeld's work? =P

p.s. Cable isn't a cyborg. Who said this?

In my experience, a few have. However, the comment was directed at statements made my Brevoort.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Last I checked cable simply had cybernetic implants...

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Looks like 3rd prints of CW 1 and 2 are on the way! Along with 2nd prints of CW: Front Line 2 and 3, Thunderbolts 104, and Avengers 21. They're also releasing CW ASM Decisions, which is a comic that collects ASM issues 529-532.

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Civil War Titles Go Back to Press


In response to retailer demands, Marvel is keeping Civil War titles in stock, including 6 single Civil War titles as well as a collection of Civil War Amazing Spider-Man stories, all which explain the Wall Crawler's decision to unmask in a single oversized and specially-priced comic.

The first two issues of the core series Civil War will be receiving a second printing and a third printing respectively with Civil War Captain America Unleashed Variant #1 having a new Captain America cover using a now famous scene from the interior of Civil War #1 and Civil War #2 3rd Printing McNiven Sketch Variant featuring a sketch cover by Steve McNiven.

Issues #2 and #3 of Civil War: Front Line will also be receiving second printing variants with all new covers using interior art by artist Ramon Bachs.

Civil War tie-ins New Avengers #21 and Thunderbolts #104 will also be going back to press with all new covers by Howard Chaykin and Tom Grummett.

Civil War: Amazing Spider-Man – Decisions collects Amazing Spider-Man #529-532, Spider-Man's Road To Civil War all in one comic with an all-new sketch cover by Gabriele Dell'Otto. For fans who want to know why in the world would Peter Parker unmask…this is the issue for you.

Don't miss these key Civil War issues!

All the previous Civil War second printings have sold out at Diamond. All Retailers are advised to check their orders.

CIVIL WAR CAPTAIN AMERICA UNLEASHED VAR #1 (OF 7) (MAY068181)
Written by Mark Millar
Pencils & Cover by Steve McNiven
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC -8/24, On Sale - 9/13/2006

CIVIL WAR 3RD PTG MCNIVEN SKETCH VAR #2 (Of 7) (JUL068167)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC -8/24, On Sale - 9/13/2006

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 2ND PTG VAR #2 (Of 11) (JUL068169)
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by RAMON BACHS & STEVE LIEBER
New Cover by RAMON BACHS
32 PGS. NO ADS! /Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC - 9/14, On Sale - 10/4/2006

CIVIL WAR FRONT LINE 2ND PTG VAR #3 (Of 11) (JUL068170)
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by RAMON BACHS & STEVE LIEBER
New Cover by RAMON BACHS
32 PGS. NO ADS!/Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC - 9/14, On Sale - 10/4/2006

NEW AVENGERS 2ND PTG CHAYKIN VAR #21 (JUL068171)
Written by BRIAN MICHAEL BENDIS
Pencils & New Cover by HOWARD CHAYKIN
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99
FOC - 9/14, On Sale - 10/4/2006

THUNDERBOLTS 2ND PTG GRUMMET VAR #104 (JUL068172)
Written by FABIAN NICIEZA
Pencils & New Cover by TOM GRUMMETT
32 PGS./Rated A ...$2.99
FOC - 9/14, On Sale - 10/4/2006

CIVIL WAR AMAZING SPIDER-MAN DECISIONS (JUL068168)
REPRINTS AMS 529-532 WITH ALL NEW SKETCH COVER BY DELL'OTTO
Written by J. MICHAEL STRACZYNSKI
Pencils & Cover by RON GARNEY AND TYLER KIRKHAM
All New Sketch Cover by GABRIELE DELL'OTTO
96 PGS./RATED A…$5.99
FOC - 8/31, On Sale - 9/21/2006

Source: http://www.marvel.com/news/-1.593

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

From silverbulletcomics.com:

Civil War Tie-In Heroes for Hire #1 Sells Out

Posted: Friday, September 1
Posted By: Keith Dallas
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The first issue of Heroes for Hire, leaping directly out of Civil War, has sold out at Diamond and a Second Printing Variant is on its way.

In Heroes for Hire #1, writers Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray along with fan-favorite artist Billy Tucci (Shi) bring to you a new ongoing series filled to the brim with action, adventure, and kung fu.

Palmiotti says, "Heroes for Hire features such an eclectic group of characters that there really is something for everyone in this series, and the book selling out so fast proves it. We are extremely happy about this news and the follow-up news that there will be a second printing only makes me happier because I know people will have another chance to pick it up if they missed it. We want to thank Marvel Comics, the retailers who support us and especially the fans."

Shawn Hill of SilverBulletComicBooks.com says Heroes for Hire #1 "is a nice read... with a strong concept and a diverse and interesting cast."

A group of heroes including Spider-Man's former flame Black Cat, the Daughters of the Dragon Colleen Wing and Misty Knight, the Master of Kung Fu Shang Chi, Paladin, and an all-new Tarantula unite to form one of Marvel's unlikeliest groups ever.

Also, be sure to pick up Heroes for Hire #2, a Civil War tie-in, as comics' newest team begins their hunt for the country's most prominent fugitive - Captain America.



HEROES FOR HIRE #1 SECOND PRINTING VARIANT (JUL068294)
Written by JUSTIN GRAY & JIMMY PALMIOTTI
Pencils & Cover by BILLY TUCCI
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC - 9/14, On Sale - 10/4/2006
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xman25

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Was Heroes for Hire any good? I flipped through it and didn't like the look of it, so I didn't bother picking it up.

I was speaking idiomatically.

It was entertaining. It's main job was to set up the main characters. It did it well. I imagine things will get going with issue #2.

xman25

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Heroes for Hire was pretty awesome. It was a fun book to read. It had its serious bits, but the main focus was on comedy.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

Heroes for Hire was pretty awesome. It was a fun book to read. It had its serious bits, but the main focus was on comedy.

It would have had to have been with Paladin looking like that.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I found this on comicbookresources.com:

"CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES" - THE WILDCARDS OF WAR
by Jonah Weiland, Executive Producer
Posted: September 7, 2006
Official Press Release

Civil War is encompassing the entire Marvel Universe and the effects of the war are being felt by every hero, villain, and civilian. Civil War: Choosing Sides One-Shot features five stories that shine a spotlight on the wildcards and impact players whose part in the Civil War has yet to be told, including Daredevil/Iron Fist, U.S. Agent, the Irredeemable Ant Man, Venom, and even…Howard the Duck!?

While the heroes wage war on one another, just what are the villains of the Marvel Universe up to? Mac Gargan, the supervillain known as Venom, is looking at a country full of preoccupied heroes. That spells trouble for anybody in his way. Written by Marc Guggenheim with art by Leinil Franics Yu, this Venom story shows why the psychotic symbiote’s bloody role in Civil War is just getting started. Everyone will be amazed where his story continues.

Danny Rand, the man who has recently moonlighted as Daredevil and who possesses the power of the Iron Fist, has joined Captain America’s Anti-Registration crew along with his former partner Luke Cage. Find out the reasons behind Iron Fist’s decision in this story by Matt Fraction and David Aja in a story that leads into the new Iron Fist ongoing series from Fraction, Brubaker, and Aja coming this November.

In a story by Robert Kirkman and Phil Hester, Civil War sees the birth of brand-new superhero with a classic name in the Irredeemable Ant-Man. When a low-level S.H.I.E.L.D. agent comes across Hank Pym’s prototype for a new Ant-Man suit, the entire Marvel Universe is in trouble. This “hero” isn’t looking to help mankind, he’s looking out for himself. Not only does this story feature the first appearance of the new Ant-Man, but it leads directly into the new ongoing The Irredeemable Ant-Man #1 in October.

Captain America has chosen a side, but what about the man who briefly took up his mantle, the U.S. Agent? In a story by Michael Avon Oeming and Scott Kolins, John Walker has to choose a side – the government he has always remained loyal to or the man whose legend he attempted to uphold? The answer won’t be what you think.

Plus, “Civil War: I’m With Howard!” What happens when you’re an alien duck stuck in a Civil War? The most asked for tale of Marvel’s Civil War…does a Master of Quack Fu need to register? Find out what the Super Human Registration Act has in store for everybody’s favorite surly duck in a story by Ty Templeton.

Don’t miss the Civil War: Choosing Sides One-Shot as the characters from these five stories gear up to make an impact on Civil War.

CIVIL WAR: CHOOSING SIDES (JUL068173)
Written by MICHAEL AVON OEMING, MATT FRACTION, ROBERT KIRKMAN, TY TEMPLETON, AND MARC GUGGENHEIM
Penciled by LEINIL FRANCIS YU, DAVID AJA, PHIL HESTER, SCOTT KOLLINS, AND TY TEMPLETON
48 PGS./Rated T+ ...$3.99
FOC 10/5, On Sale 10/25/2006
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The site also has a picture of the cover. Howard the Duck? Gee wiz.

xman25

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yeah, I saw that, too. I'm not interested in any of those characters, so I'll pass. Though, the thing with Howard does seem intriguing.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Venom, yay. Except it's not Eddie Brock and I have no idea what's been up with him for years.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

okay someone fill me in on that duck, like uh who is it?

no homo