Why do some people regard nintendo as "kiddy"

This is just my mind speaking but I just went to a "console" type LAN yesterday and I found it quite surprising how many ps2 and Xbox consoles there were. After a couple of minutes I barely found any cubes. Noticing this i asked around and i found it quite surprising how many people said Nintendo is for little kids. I’m 15 and I’m a fan of Nintendo.

What your opinions on this matter?

BTW sorry if i posted in the wrong area .

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Well, it's true. Nintendo Games are mainly made for kids. I don't understand why people can't just accept it.

It's so pathetic how whenever someone says "Nintendo R kiddy!!!" then someone comes in and says "Blah Blah Blah Castlevania, Killer 7, etc".

Well, of course there's always going to be some games targeted towards the older audience but it doesn't change to fact that the system is mainly for kids.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Sure, Nintendo games are targeted for kids, but I'm tired of people thinking that they are more mature for playing non-Nintendo games. All that does to me is prove that they are immature elitist pricks that can't play a game because its good or fun.

So yeah, the games are designed to target kids, but they are also (normally) of a quality that all ages can enjoy equally.

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I don't find them to be kiddie, I just think they are designed to have mass appeal. Just like a G-rated movie is made to appeal to 'general audiences', a lot of Nintendo's games are made to appeal to people of all ages. But of course, there are ignorant people out there who think G-rated movies are only made for kids, and Nintendo games the same. They're are not skewing to a younger crowd, but rather a more general crowd.

And even if they were making games for a kiddie audience, who cares if they're still good games? Regardless of people's personal opinion about them, they still manage to get good reviews (from critics who are mostly adult), good sales, and a loyal fanbase (composed of people of all ages). If you want to hate on someone for making kiddie games, at least hate on the developers that flood the market with low quality games designed around stupid characters (Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network characters) instead of good gameplay.

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I like Nintendo.

That being said, it's obviously the "Disney" of the gaming world.

Just look at their approach to online DS gaming. It's very restricted, and only for the reason of "ooooh, watch out for Internet predators and bad language!"

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well said. however Little kids these days are more attracted to violence, theyre too insecure to be associated with "Kiddy Nintendo" so while Nintendo might give a younger image with it's more cartoony characters and upbeat games, the younger audiences are still attracted to PS2 and Xbox.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Nintendo will NEVER stop being Kiddy until they give Mario a gun for no reason.

If Shadow could pull it off (right into the dump) then so can Mario!

Long live pointless Violence! GO AMERICA!

FELIPE NO

"Kiddy" is a blatant term given to the company by people who can't respect that Nintendo makes games directed at all ages and playable by all ages for the most part.

Because you know, YOU'RE NOT A REAL GAMER IF YOU DON'T PLAY GAMES WITH BLOOD, GORE, SEX, AND VIOLENCE IN THEM HRHRHR!

Mario Party games with four people are just as fun as HALO is at times, and the "fun" is what counts.

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Why were you expecting to find some Cubes at a LAN party? If you're talking about linking them up it'll cost you some exorbitant amount for broadband adapters etc.

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I'd say 70% of people who play games (a lot of games; gamers, in other words) have psychological problems regarding their self-confidence, personal image, etc. Whether or not they want to admit it, they're often ugly and geeky and a far way away from sexually desirable. Freudian problems.

So they want to perceive themselves as cool, sexually appealing, the winner. And, quite frankly, being Master Chief or Cloud or Solid Snake seems a whole lot cooler than being a short, chubby Italian who likes jumping.

I'd attribute this especially to the success of RPGs, dating back to D&D (God how I hated hearing about someone's level blah blah character who could do blah blah). And this is not some overt thing, this stems from really deeply rooted psychological perceptions of one's self. I doubt anyone who does this would admit it, or very likely even realize that they're doing it.

That's not why Nintendo is considered kiddie. It's just why so many people insist on saying it so damn often.

Personally, I wouldn't say Nintendo is kiddie. Shows like Barney, the Teletubbies, and whatever the hell kids watch nowadays, that's kiddie. It's something that a child can watch but an adult cannot bear to, because it's made exclusively for children.
Nintendo is more similar to Disney, dinosaurs, Alice in Wonderland, something along those lines, in the sense that they're equally appreciable by all.

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Because people like you keep brining up the topic? I dunno.

There are ZERO games that nintendo has published which have the rating of EC (early childhood). As hostile said...the problem with poeple talking like this is usually a issue of self-confidence or "image" in their group of friends.

Originally Posted by soniclover

If Shadow could pull it off (right into the dump) then so can Mario!

maybe because shadow has always been a dark character? gee i dunno... -___-

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Originally Posted by HostileCreation

I'd say 70% of people who play games (a lot of games; gamers, in other words) have psychological problems regarding their self-confidence, personal image, etc. Whether or not they want to admit it, they're often ugly and geeky and a far way away from sexually desirable. Freudian problems.

So they want to perceive themselves as cool, sexually appealing, the winner. And, quite frankly, being Master Chief or Cloud or Solid Snake seems a whole lot cooler than being a short, chubby Italian who likes jumping.

I'd attribute this especially to the success of RPGs, dating back to D&D (God how I hated hearing about someone's level blah blah character who could do blah blah). And this is not some overt thing, this stems from really deeply rooted psychological perceptions of one's self. I doubt anyone who does this would admit it, or very likely even realize that they're doing it.

That's not why Nintendo is considered kiddie. It's just why so many people insist on saying it so damn often.

Personally, I wouldn't say Nintendo is kiddie. Shows like Barney, the Teletubbies, and whatever the hell kids watch nowadays, that's kiddie. It's something that a child can watch but an adult cannot bear to, because it's made exclusively for children.
Nintendo is more similar to Disney, dinosaurs, Alice in Wonderland, something along those lines, in the sense that they're equally appreciable by all.

My Level 21/21 Half-Elf Cleric/Ranger would kick your ass, so shut up jock-face. ...What? But no, really, that is probably part of the reason. Everyone to a certain degree feels this way, though, not just "geeky/ugly" people.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

made also for family and friends...I think. We have many fun with playing Gamecube and Nintendo 64. We are 20-26.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Do you really need to ask, when the company has games like Nintendogs and Nerd Crossing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Megalith is an idiot, but he's right here. Nintendo clearly markets to a less mature audience. Just look at their ad campaigns. With the exception of the Advance SP as the "Second best thing to do in the dark" pitch, they almost always go for the 10 to 20 crowd. Doesn't mean the games aren't awesome, man. I love Mario Party and the sports games. But they're more fun oriented and less serious.

FELIPE NO

Some people who dislike Nintendo games call them kiddy, it's just their way of informing the world that they are not a pedo!

GameCube is kiddy because it's a purple lunchbox full of sunshine. N64 was cool because it was black and had slick aerodynamics.

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Originally Posted by Megalith

Do you really need to ask, when the company has games like Nintendogs and Nerd Crossing.

Nerd Crossing is for girls, not kids!

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FLUDD should have been called FUCK and shot blood instead of water in Super Mario Sunshine. Which would be renamed to Super Mario X-Treme Beach Violence. Also, Peach would get covered in paint and raped by those palm tree freaks while Yoshi does absurd things with his tounge. The only hardcore thing you could do in the game was steal pineapples from the market. Palm tree freaks were probably too confused to know what's going on.

Oh Nintendo, why am I not in charge or your childish company? I would do excellent things.

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Originally Posted by soniclover

Nintendo will NEVER stop being Kiddy until they give Mario a gun for no reason.

Comparing Nintendo to Sega is like comparing Bush to Kennedy. In this case, Bush would be Nintendo.

I'm sure if Nintendo named the 64 the Ultra 64, and the Gamecube as Project Dolphin, they would be more popular. But not by much. The only really "mature" games I can think of in the history of Nintendo are Eternal Darkness, Killer 7 and Resident Evil series. All of which can be disregarded if you're not into those things.

Nintendo titles and products have always put kids first, and that's why the majority of people here (1985~90 crowd) still stick with them. If I was new to the gaming scene, I'd probably disregard buying a Gamecube immediately, after seeing the amount of range on other consoles. After all, you're going to purchase a console for it's games, not for the actual console itself.

Back in the day, I followed the Megadrive crowd around. Not that there was an actual "crowd" or even a group of people, but there was still the SNES and NES scene, which all glared at, like some black person with blonde hair.

I ended up purchasing a Gamecube when the price dropped awhile back, and so far I've only managed to buy a single game for it. Value for money? No, obviously not. The same applies with my xbox, except I've been renting and downloading them as it's modded so it's a little different.

You're lucky Nintendo aren't aiming at the 85~90 crowd still, otherwise everything would consist of first person shooters and 3D fighting games.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I think the issue is how so many gamers tell themselves that a game being child-friendly is somehow bad. Where Nintendo tried to make games the whole family could enjoy, most pro-nintendo gamers dub the games childish instead of wide appealing.

It's true that some Nintendo games can be a bit too sugary sweet for my taste (Kirby titles outside Canvas Curse for instance), but even then that's only a problem if the gameplay is simplified and made specifically for children, which isn't usually the case. Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga and Minish Cap both appear "childish" to an ignorant viewer, but the content itself is most rewarding to a more experienced gamer with knowledge of titles the games are referencing.

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Originally Posted by kisame

I’m 15 and I’m a fan of Nintendo.

And I bet you'rre just ready to take on the world, kid!

Fake gamers call Nintendo "kiddy."

People who actually play games don't care what age group a game is targeted to, they just play it because they like it.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

The only really "mature" games I can think of in the history of Nintendo are Eternal Darkness, Killer 7 and Resident Evil series. All of which can be disregarded if you're not into those things.

I don't get this, how can you just disregard them?

"Nintendo only has kiddy games, except for the games that are aimed at older audiences, but I don't like them so they don't count."

I was speaking idiomatically.

You guys do know that the Mario with a gun comment was a joke right?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I used to love Disney, but now I hate them. I used to love Nintendo, and I still do. I sure don't care if a game is 'kiddy' or not. If a game is fun, who cares what the game is targeted at? I enjoy both 'kiddy' and 'mature' games.

I guess Rampage can be considered a 'kiddy' game, and I'll be buying it tomorrow :D

FELIPE NO

Nintendo is not the "Disney" of Videogames. Square Enix is. Quite literally, in fact.

The "kiddy" label Nintendo has been stuck with is the result of a false dichtomoy, in that there are two extremes and no middle ground. Either the game is "mature" and has blood, swearing, and sex, or it features none of those things and is deemed "kiddy" by elimination.

It does not matter if Nintendo tries to shake the "kiddy" label, nor are they ever very successful. Conker's Bad Fur Day didn't do it. Eternal Darkness didn't do it. Both were violent and one was filled with raunch. But herein seems to be a common element.

It is not that those that desire "mature" games from Nintendo want them to publish mature games. That is not sufficient. Nor is it sufficient if they actually develop them. That is also not enough. They want to see Mario do it. And that is not going to happen. They want to see Link have a threesome with Zelda and whatever other female is at hand. That is not going to happen, ever. They want hours of voice acting, overbearing pointless plotlines, long frequent cinemas, or whatever other shallow "production value" can be thought up on short notice. I certainly hope that does not happen.

The reason these things should not and hopefully will not happen is because of the dedicated, semi-dedictaed, and casual fans of these said series appreciate the resistance to the temptation of increasingly violent and profane production values. Myself, for example. I know for a fact if the Zelda coming up for the Cube/Rev/whatever pull the stunt Prince of Persia did, or was anything at all like God of War, I would dislike it and probably not purchase it. What is not known is if the groups of people that blew off Zelda for being "too kiddy" for them will instantly convert once they see the new hard-edged one specifically tailored to their demographic. I personally think they would not. And so Nintendo would have risked their assured majority of fans who silently appreciate their work to grab a small, miniscule group of people who may or may not enjoy the change.

As a case study, Jak and Daxter. Jak and Daxter started off as a playful, E-rated, quasi-colorful humorous adventure. Then it went all Hulk and GTA and Ninja on everybody. And as such, its sales diminished each time until it resorted to copying Mario Kart, a crime Naughty Dog is guilty of twice.

There is no question that there are some games Nintendo has made that do not display gratuitous violence and overly sexual themes. But as a perespective on this, a majority of Steven Spielburg's movies are PG and PG-13, and he was even the creator of several cartoons, and nobody heaped crap on him and called him "kiddy" when he did so.

I guess I suppose I would rather Nintendo be treated the same as Steven Spielburg is.

(tl;dr Anybody that calls Nintendo "kiddy" is a moronic teenager who's testicles have not descended yet or a severely developmentally challenged young adult with social issues)

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Originally Posted by NovaX

I don't get this, how can you just disregard them?

"Nintendo only has kiddy games, except for the games that are aimed at older audiences, but I don't like them so they don't count."

That's kinda how his mind works at times. "The Gamecube has no games worth buying, except these games, but I won't buy them, and these titles here are also out on the PS2."

Since we're talking extremes, if the only mature games are Resident Evil 1, 4, Killer7 and Eternal Darkness, does that mean that Viewtiful Joe, Metroid Prime and Spartan: Total Warrior are kiddie instead? The term kiddie is a crime because most people dish it out based on visuals alone and almost never based on the content. If a title's gameplay is overly simplified and streamlined towards a younger audience, even I'll deem it childish.

But consider something like Warrior Within. Similar (somewhat) gameplay as in Sands of Time, a wonderfully mature title both aesthetically and contentwise, yet the tacky "grit" and focus on violence and fighting made WW feel far more juvenile and childish in that sense. Similarly, Metroid Prime and Viewtiful Joe don't "look" mature in that sense, but the content and gameplay is certainly not something I'd recommend to kids. Not because there's something explicit there or anything like that.

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