DVD Overburning

Okay, I want to overburn 7 MB more... which I believe is possible... or at least I'm hoping...

I usually used to overburn to 703 in CD with burnatonce (other programs didn't let me or usually failed)... but now switching to DVD and all... so I was wondering if there's a way or a program that would allow for this small amount to be overburned... btw I'm talking about DATA DVD (anime to be burned)

Now, some of you out there will try to add sarcastic comments like "OMG U SOOOOOOOO CHEAP burn on another DVD"... my answer to this

-NO
-The DVD will have an anime series that has Season 1 + 2 on it
-I like to keep both seasons (the anime's done) on ONE DVD since it's more organized
-I would rather no burn season 1 on one dvd, keep 2.4+ GB free and burn on another DVD, more carrying load, less organized (yeah I like the organization part)
-Nor would I rather burn Season 1 on one DVD + another series, then Season 2 on another DVD + anime series


Any more sarcastic comments are UNwelcomed, though go for it and post them... I really don't care


I heard somewhere something about bitrates.. but the only thing I saw was the current recorder? Mine says 840b and the only thing I can change it to is "Image Recorder DVD"

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I know Nero allows for overburning on DVDs (needs to be enabled in some advanced settings to work). Never tried it for myself, really.

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I try it before,is working with Nero.

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Nero 7 allows overburning of DVDs. However, it is very, very rare for DVD writers to support the feature as overburning DVDs actually requires the laser lens to move further out than DVD specs allowed compared to CDs where a shorter lead in and out can be used to extend disc capacity or error correction can be turned off.

Being able to read overburned DVDs can also be a problem for the same reasons. If you are unable to overburn the series, I'd consider possibly re-encoding a few of the audio tracks on the files to a slightly lower bitrate and see if you can trim 7 MB off.

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Okay I tried with nero but I always get this:

Could not perform start of Disc-at-once
Burn Process Failed at 8x

grrrrrr... it's only 7 MB >.<


EDITING: BTW I THINK I got version 6.1 or something... and that fails... so version 7 doesn't fail?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tsunade

Okay I tried with nero but I always get this:

Could not perform start of Disc-at-once
Burn Process Failed at 8x

grrrrrr... it's only 7 MB >.<


EDITING: BTW I THINK I got version 6.1 or something... and that fails... so version 7 doesn't fail?

No, more than likely your writer does not support overburning DVDs. Give DVDShrink a try and see if you can shave off a few KB here and there from the files to get yourself under the 7 MB mark.

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I'll try (never used it before).... I hope DVDShrink can work out with anime... and thanks I'll try it right away ^^

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DVDShrink doesn't work for data DVDs.

Just reencode an episode. The second best suggestion would be to burn each season to their own DVD. Seriously, I fail to see how this wouldn't be "organized". Also, it's not like blank media costs a fortune these days.

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What do you mean by reencode an episode?

Anywayz, it may sound crazy... but having a change at putting the two seasons with each is something I really want... yeah I'm crazy... but it's not the fact of money considering the fact I've burned series like Trinity Blood with only 24 episodes like leaving over 500+ MB free...

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Originally Posted by Rock

DVDShrink doesn't work for data DVDs.

Just reencode an episode. The second best suggestion would be to burn each season to their own DVD. Seriously, I fail to see how this wouldn't be "organized". Also, it's not like blank media costs a fortune these days.

No, but DVDShink can be used as a simple method to re-encode the audio of each file, correct (at least I THINK it can demux an AVI and extract the audio then re-time/re-encode the file)? I'm just trying to think of a simple program that would allow an easy way to do this. I don't mean to offend Tsunade in any way but it seems he isn't familiar with common re-encoding methods which actually require a bit of work.

Tsunade, if you would like you can browse around www.doom9.org. They have plenty of resources for you if you would like to attempt to re-encode some of the files.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

No, but DVDShink can be used as a simple method to re-encode the audio of each file, correct (at least I THINK it can demux an AVI and extract the audio then re-time/re-encode the file)? I'm just trying to think of a simple program that would allow an easy way to do this. I don't mean to offend Tsunade in any way but it seems he isn't familiar with common re-encoding methods which actually require a bit of work.

Tsunade, if you would like you can browse around www.doom9.org. They have plenty of resources for you if you would like to attempt to re-encode some of the files.

I don't believe Shrink has that feature, but you should be able to change codecs/compress/etc. enough to fit it on there. doom9 though, should suffice if he takes the time to go through it and find what he wants to do.

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you can always just cut off last few seconds off an ep or 2 :E

unless you are doing to be hosting it later or something >.> If it's just for personal viewing pleasure I don't see how that'll matter.

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Ah... to troublesome... I guess it'll be the series on two different episodes... how great!

I was speaking idiomatically.

If you would like to re-encode an episode to make it slightly smaller, use AutoGK (If the episode is an avi file).

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yea truncating an ep or 2 only takes a couple of minutes or less =O

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@AutoGK how do I use it if I wanna reduce an episode about 1-2MB?

EDITING: I DID the Target Quality in Percent and did 98% which should have made it smaller since it's 2% lower quality... but instead the size of the avi went from 174MB to 245MB

I don't understand why it did that...

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That's because the "Target quality" setting is for encoding DVDs. What you need is to set "Custom size" to 165mb.

The best way to go, as people have been saying, is truncate it:
Open VirtualDubMod (located in C:\Program Files\AutoGK\VDubMod, click the arrows to set your start and end points. You'll notice as you move the slider, the size of the video is displayed. Under 'video' menu set to 'direct stream copy' then file, save as.

Here's a video of the process:

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Originally Posted by Tsunade

like leaving over 500+ MB free...

Sometimes doing this is the best way to get a DVD that stays fully readable even after a long period of time. DVD burning quality usually gets quite worse at the end of the disc compared to the quality in the middle area (inner area is another case, because of the initial power calibration). So if you leave some megabytes at the end you're more likely to get a overall better error rate on the disc.

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@Krizzzopolis THANKS!!! This helps me sooo much. While I did burn the other series on different DVDs (wish I knew about this before 5 mb would be easy to erase) I worked on another DVD and had this done (one series by itself 26 episodes)... I REALLY appreciate your help...

EDITING: Any idea what this is all about? It IS an .avi file... and when I did the instructions like before I looked at the result and it would freeze at some points while playing the file



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I don't understand as to why people actually place VBR audio on movies or video of any kind since it's mix is in CBR, or is it just me? :eyebrow: You're gonna have to extract the audio and save it as .wav and compress it again.

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So what about placing Vorbis inside an AVI (which is also highly non-standard) - Vorbis is implicit VBR, but quality is better than MP3 (even in VBR mode). So you've a reason to include VBR audio into your ripped movies, it simply helps audio quality.

Concerning the AVI problem: AVI and even the new OpenDML AVI format don't have support for (any?) VBR material and the only way to integrate the material into the AVI is using a very dirty hack (which can cause trouble and VDub tells you so). AVI is outdated, most of the recent features aren't supported natively and some video codecs like h264 can only be integrated in a VERY limited form.
The mp4 container support is quite large on standalones, you should try remuxing the movie into a mp4 - also resulting in fewer overhead, ergo smaller filesize of the movies. If you want even fewer overhead, then try matroska.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

He, I know but avi is the only thing my school computer can play (I watch anime since I have hours to wait)....

@T1249NTSCJ I'm somewhat of a newbie... so I'm not really sure I get anything you say...

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Originally Posted by LiquidAcid

So what about placing Vorbis inside an AVI (which is also highly non-standard) - Vorbis is implicit VBR, but quality is better than MP3 (even in VBR mode). So you've a reason to include VBR audio into your ripped movies, it simply helps audio quality.

Concerning the AVI problem: AVI and even the new OpenDML AVI format don't have support for (any?) VBR material and the only way to integrate the material into the AVI is using a very dirty hack (which can cause trouble and VDub tells you so). AVI is outdated, most of the recent features aren't supported natively and some video codecs like h264 can only be integrated in a VERY limited form.
The mp4 container support is quite large on standalones, you should try remuxing the movie into a mp4 - also resulting in fewer overhead, ergo smaller filesize of the movies. If you want even fewer overhead, then try matroska.

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liquid

I just find it kind of a waste seeing as how movie studios apply a audio mix for DVD release or what have you and then select to use VBR when the original mix is CBR. But that's just my opinion, I don't bother altering the audio when I encode DVDs to h.264. For the majority of movies out there, the DD5.1 track is always 448 all the way through.

@Tsunade

This should help you out...

http://www.doom9.org/index.html?/vir...procedures.htm

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Originally Posted by T1249NTSCJ

I just find it kind of a waste seeing as how movie studios apply a audio mix for DVD release or what have you and then select to use VBR when the original mix is CBR. But that's just my opinion, I don't bother altering the audio when I encode DVDs to h.264. For the majority of movies out there, the DD5.1 track is always 448 all the way through.

Lets say your source material has two audio tracks (both ac3 5.1 format, lets say two languages) and you want to keep both. Now you can either recompress the tracks (and apply downmix) or keep them like they are.
But if you're space-limited then the best idea is to apply a 2-channel downmix and recompress them with a up-to-date audio compressor. Now lets say you want to use mp3 as compression, because it has a wide support. Lets recall that we're space limited, so we want to keep the datarate below 448kbit/s for both audio-tracks. So we aim at a average datarate of 192kbit/s for the main audio track (you choose one) and 128kbit/s for the second audio track (maybe because the alternative language isn't such important, but you don't want to discard it fully).

Now think about CBR/VBR again. If we compress both tracks using a constant bitrate the overall quality is much worse then if we use VBR, because the bit allocation is a lot more efficient this way (in VBR mode). The codec assigns more bits to the parts of the audio that needs them, and less bits to the quite parts or parts with low complexity.

Also remember that if mp3 and ac3 were technically equivalent you would need 448kbit/s of datarate when encoding to mp3, if you don't want to loose audio quality. mp3 doesn't do this, because peak rate is 320kbit/s.
Now consider CBR - you never get any near 320kbit/s because the datarate is fixed. But with VBR the codec at least has the chance to push the rate up for a while (when coding in complex audio areas).

So if you're reencoding audio data VBR is always better because bit allocation is kind of smart in this mode. Thats one reason vorbis only has VBR modes and does not allow a fixed rate.

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