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View Poll Results: Prop or Diss???
PROP 5 26.32%
DISS 2 10.53%
More or less equally use both. 1 5.26%
Seldom use either. 4 21.05%
Whatever chat is doing. 0 0%
The opposite of whatever chat is doing. 2 10.53%
I only rate posts ironically. 2 10.53%
I'm Musharraf. 3 15.79%
Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

Are you a Propper or Disser???
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 12:18 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 11:18 AM 1 16 #1 of 17
Thumbs down Are you a Propper or Disser???

I think this question sort of boils down to are you a half cup full or half cup empty sort of person...

So are you more willing to prop a post you like or diss a post that evokes some kind of negative emotional response in you? It sort of seems this forum has more props than disses at about a 1.65 to 1 ratio, but I don't really feel that is painting an accurate picture of how the majority of this board acts. Most of the propping I've noticed is mostly confined to the Concert Hall or file sharing threads while I hardly see anything but disses in the rest of the forum.

I never really understood the purpose of propping or dissing a post myself, and sort of think it can't really do anything but bring discontent on one side or unnecessarily inflate ones ego on the other.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 02:17 PM #2 of 17
I would diss your post if I could.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 02:37 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 01:37 PM #3 of 17
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 02:48 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 01:48 PM #4 of 17
lol... I figured that was what would happen. I'm still interested in what people think of props and disses though.

Random thought :
It would be neat if you could attach a little message to a prop or a diss that only the receiver could see.

...or maybe that everyone could see.


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Old Mar 20, 2010, 02:55 PM #5 of 17
IT'S A TRAP!

To add to the complete lack of discussion, I prop when I find something funny, witty, or informative.

I rarely diss, cause that seems like a lazy way to not add to a discussion at all while still having your opinion given.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 03:26 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 02:26 PM 1 #6 of 17
Originally Posted by Cadillacs
YOU SUCK


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I didn't mean private messages, but something like below.



When you hover over the prop or diss icon with your mouse you could get a pop-up menu with little comments.

That way people would actually have to think a bit and come up with a reason to prop or diss a post. This would make it more useful I feel as well and prevent a lot of spam and flamming that usually takes place in (and disrupts) a thread.

It would be fun to read some of the comments for some posts as well.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 03:59 PM #7 of 17
You know, that's kind of a cool idea, but I have a feeling that somemost of us here would spam it like there's no tomorrow.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 04:01 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 03:01 PM #8 of 17
I think this question sort of boils down to are you a half cup full or half cup empty sort of person...
Not even remotely, actually. This insinuates that someone will only diss or only prop, rather than simply giving a nod to things they agree with or a quick dismissal of things that are ridiculously inane, or dull. It's not really a matter of "do you diss or do you prop" it's a matter of what do you like and what do you not like in a given post.

That way people would actually have to think a bit and come up with a reason to prop or diss a post. This would make it more useful I feel as well and prevent a lot of spam and flamming that usually takes place in (and disrupts) a thread.
Um, no they wouldn't? A diss saying "you suck" takes pretty much the same amount of effort as just dissing. It also says the exact same thing: your post sucked. Your fairly well spoken and I appreciate the effort to get a discourse going, but your point is incredibly shaky and poorly thought out.

For instance: You know what avoids a lot of spammy flame comments of "fuck you BZ, you're an idiot"? A diss button. Some things just aren't worth the effort of a well-thought out reply. Sometimes all a comment requires in response is a quick little tap of a button that says all you need to.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 05:40 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 04:40 PM #9 of 17
Not even remotely, actually. This insinuates that someone will only diss or only prop, rather than simply giving a nod to things they agree with or a quick dismissal of things that are ridiculously inane, or dull. It's not really a matter of "do you diss or do you prop" it's a matter of what do you like and what do you not like in a given post.
I don't necessarily mean that the individual solely engages in one or the other, but at some level I do feel they tend gravitate towards propping or dissing.

Case in point Knighthawk's seemingly benign comment about you which somehow inspired 37 disses (and his own unique animated tile, name, and avatar). I really can't see most people taking any personal offense to his comment, and I doubt you took much either yet it was almost like a chain reaction and the disses kept accumulating.

On that note, it is very rare to see a post get that many props, outside the file-sharing areas of course. (Please provide links to posts that contradict this assumption if they exist)

I am sort of under the impression that people here, like society in general, are more willing to "punish" those for making mistakes than to "praise" them for doing good.

Um, no they wouldn't? A diss saying "you suck" takes pretty much the same amount of effort as just dissing. It also says the exact same thing: your post sucked. Your fairly well spoken and I appreciate the effort to get a discourse going, but your point is incredibly shaky and poorly thought out.

For instance: You know what avoids a lot of spammy flame comments of "fuck you BZ, you're an idiot"? A diss button. Some things just aren't worth the effort of a well-thought out reply. Sometimes all a comment requires in response is a quick little tap of a button that says all you need to.
...well maybe you could require a minimum of ten words or something describing why you dissed the post to prevent the "You Suck" comments. I do think people would put more thought into propping or dissing a post though if other individuals could see their reasoning for doing so. It would also prevent the lemming effect that happens quite often when an influential person disses (or props) a post.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 06:14 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 05:14 PM #10 of 17
I don't necessarily mean that the individual solely engages in one or the other, but at some level I do feel they tend gravitate towards propping or dissing.
I disagree. I think most people will either use the system or not use the system. Though I can certainly imagine a situation wherein a zero poster would prefer to diss rather than engage a more established member in debate.

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Case in point Knighthawk's seemingly benign comment about you which somehow inspired 37 disses (and his own unique animated tile, name, and avatar). I really can't see most people taking any personal offense to his comment, and I doubt you took much either yet it was almost like a chain reaction and the disses kept accumulating.
I didn't take offense at the comment, though I certainly rolled my eyes and shook my head. The comment was such a ridiculously idiotic statement it wasn't worth getting riled up over. Knight was deliberately trolling, which is why the rather extreme reaction was taken. You should also note that, though a large number of disses were handed out legitimately, a sizable portion were handed out because an admin caught wind of the obviously ridiculous troll attempt and decided to redirect any attempted prop or diss into a slap in the face to knighthawk for his childish attempt to derail a thread. So, unfortunately, your foundation doesn't exist.

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On that note, it is very rare to see a post get that many props, outside the file-sharing areas of course. (Please provide links to posts that contradict this assumption if they exist)
I don't have the links on hand, but a_lurker's rather famous slaughter of someone in Political Palace earned props that got up around that number, as have several others. It does happen.

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I am sort of under the impression that people here, like society in general, are more willing to "punish" those for making mistakes than to "praise" them for doing good.
I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you yet again. I tend to see far more propping than dissing, as a general rule (the last few days not withstanding). Even myself, widely considered among the biggest pricks on these boards, has offered well over double the amount of props as disses.


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...well maybe you could require a minimum of ten words or something describing why you dissed the post to prevent the "You Suck" comments. I do think people would put more thought into propping or dissing a post though if other individuals could see their reasoning for doing so. It would also prevent the lemming effect that happens quite often when an influential person disses (or props) a post.
I think you miss the point of the diss button. If you have ten words or more to say on the subject, you don't diss. At that point you reply to the actual comment. The diss button serves a completely different function than you seem to think it does.

In short: You've utterly missed the point.

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Old Mar 20, 2010, 07:20 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 06:20 PM #11 of 17
I think you miss the point of the diss button. If you have ten words or more to say on the subject, you don't diss. At that point you reply to the actual comment. The diss button serves a completely different function than you seem to think it does.

In short: You've utterly missed the point.
Then you get stuck with an infraction for member moderating, trolling, flaming or something else. ...and yes, like probably just about everyone else here , I have missed the point entirely of these two features.

I suppose I can see one potential use for the in the file-sharing threads; merely to avoid thousands of "thank you" posts which would render the thread unusable. The feature still has no benefits as I see it though other than maybe the occasional comic relief ...

* I wonder how many disses I will be able to get out of this thread...

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 07:31 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 06:31 PM 1 #12 of 17
Um, no. You face infraction if you rip someone apart without dealing with the subject at hand, but that would be why you spend more than 10 words doing it. So long as you're decently intelligent in how you say what you have to say, you're fine. If all you're capable of is "lol fag I disagree" then hey, diss button. Right there. And now we're back to the beginning. Then again, if all you're capable of is that, we really don't want you around anyway.

You don't seem to really grasp how things work around here yet. I suggest you lurk a little more, because really you're doing a great impression of Don Quixote right now.



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Old Mar 20, 2010, 08:37 PM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 09:37 AM #13 of 17
I go with a simple set of rules. Any post that makes me laugh gets a prop. Any post that makes me *facepalm* gets a diss. At the time of this post, I have given 238 props and 230 disses.

I seem to be giving an inordinate amount of props to Pangalin recently. Dammit Pang, stop making me laugh so much!

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Mar 20, 2010, 10:04 PM Local time: Mar 20, 2010, 07:04 PM #14 of 17
Instead of attaching a comment to the prop or diss, why not just post that same comment as a reply to the thread? That's sort of why this is an internet forum etc.

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 08:48 AM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 02:48 PM 3 #15 of 17
I suggest you lurk a little more
Don't you think we have enough of those?

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Old Mar 21, 2010, 01:19 PM Local time: Mar 21, 2010, 12:19 PM #16 of 17
Don't you think we have enough of those?
Really? I have to act like a pedant for you, Amiga? Honestly?

Fine. Lurk more in the community, take part in conversations, before making threads about board systems.

I didn't feel the need to add that last part because Otur has already taken part in other discussions. I hope this has eased your troubled mind.

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