What are you doing against Global Warming

Just watched Bill Maher on HBO, and one of the topics on that show was the wildfires that are raging in Southern California right now, and how Global Warming can and did play a part in it [Not saying that's solely the reason the fires are raging, it was just one of many reasons]. But seeing as how Global Warming is pretty much a real thing and not a fantasy in any way, people just keep talking and talking about what should we do and what can we do.


So my question is, what are you doing to battle against Global Warming?



What I do isn't major by any means, but I am doing what I can. For instance, when i'm not in a room or using a TV or light, I will shut off whatever major power is in the room, like of course TVs...lamps...cable boxes...etc etc.. When i'm going to get off my computer and not use it, I put it on stand by or turn off the monitor. Also, I try and not use many paper towels, and use just towels to clean spills as they can be cleaned.


That is just some of what I do, what do you guys do?



[I personally dont feel this should be in the political palace, because this is not a political issue, it's a world issue that's real and general, so please don't move it.]

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What did global warming have to do with the wildfires currently going on in California, anyway. Global warming is the earth heating up by a few degrees, not having fires set by jackasses spread by the unlucky combination of a late-season heat wave mixed with really strong winds.

Anyway, I try my best to recycle (the energy it takes to create one new aluminum is the same as the energy required to recycle ten old aluminum cans!) and conserve energy since most of our power comes from non-renewable sources, and I think conservation for the sake of conservation should be a good enough reason not to waste.

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I distinctly remember voting for Al Gore.

I did my part. Florida fucked it up for everyone, though.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Easy; I avoid using air conditioner as much as possible, and save as much electricity and water as I could.

Too bad some people still think that this issue is not urgent.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I don't have a driver's license. I did my part.

I was speaking idiomatically.

In primary school some guy talked to us about water convservation. He explained that how we can all save massive amounts of water was by filling the bathtub up with only an inch of water, then soaping up and doing BARREL ROLLS. This thread makes me wonder if he is still out there, rolling around in his tub thinking he's making a difference.
"Who cares?! This is FUN!"

Although, now that I'm older, I enjoy the thought of people all over the world rolling around naked in their tubs all at pretty much the same time.



Anyway, considering I can look out onto my backyard and see the largest ExxonMobil oil refinery in the United States over a line of trees, the only option I really have to fight against the global warming crisis here at home is to die from several types of cancers simultaneously.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Well, not using electrical power as I used to helps I guess. Recycling, like RR previously posted is another option too, though it doesn't really happen often. I also like walking from place to place, most of the time, since I'm in a very central area, and everything else is really close.

Doubt smoking helps, but that's another story.

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Apart from recycling, walking a helluva lot (I just got home from a bar halfway across town ; it took me roughly 2 hours...) and using the least water/electricity possible, I try to buy the least amount of things possible. It's amazing how much waste people produce by consuming stuff that is either over packaged or disposable when they could just buy something that is reusable or more durable (cutlery, dishes, razor blades, etc, etc.). Also, I try to buy locally produced goods as much as possible (even though it can be hard to by a locally made pair of shoes these days) as the transport of merchandise also causes a great deal of unnecessary pollution.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Eh, the things I do are usually quirks to keep my light, water, and gas bills down. I open windows during the day instead of turning on lights, rarely use the heater/air conditioner, I turn off my monitor when not at the PC and I take shortcuts, walk or just stay home instead of being on the road. Unfortunately, whenever I fart it counter acts all of those things.

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I try my best to always be conscious about the environment. I'm just grateful my Fiance and I share the same views when it comes to the environment.

In our house we have a very fuel efficient 2005 Hyundai Elantra and once we have that vehicle paid off we're going to be getting a smart car for ourselves.

We constantly recycle whatever material we can all the time. Hopefully when I get back home full time. We plan on doing as much bicycling as humanly possible.

We use energy efficient lightbulbs for the majority of our light fixtures and we always make it a point to have all lights turned off when we don't need them on in the first place.

We're in the process of cutting down our heating costs for the upcoming winter by fully insulating the basement so hopefully that'll reduce the amount of power we have to use over the winter.

My Environmental Studies Degree focused upon one basic premise throughout the entire 5 years and that was sutainable development. So it is through that degree and the things that I have learned from it that I try my best to help keep this planet alive a little bit longer.

Its just kind of strange at the moment, because I'm working up in Northern Alberta where there is an oil refinery every 20 kms and it probably does contribute to amount of emissions that are being emitted into the atmosphere on a large scale.

Being an environmental field inspector in this area does have its challenges, especially being in a place that has one of the highest rates of juvenille cancer and is probably one of the leading areas in terms of amount of emissions.

It just makes me realize that we have to do more to protect this planet that we live on.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Karasu

I personally dont feel this should be in the political palace, because this is not a political issue, it's a world issue that's real and general, so please don't move it.

I laughed out loud as I read this little tidbit right here. It is HARDLY a real issue nor substantiated by concrete proof. What we're seeing are folks screaming a statement over a loudspeaker wherein everyone not involved in the field (or possessing common knowledge within it) practically gets brainwashed. "Oh the TV says it every day so it must be true. Some dude with a Phd said it was happening. What field? Oh, Engineering but he's a smart dude anyhow."

I've been on a soap box many-a-time on these forums and in real life. I'll refrain from going much further on the subject unless someone wants to try me on this.

On another note, recycling in itself is a good practice. I separate my plastics, paper, and glass typically.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

What am I doing to stop nature? Blood sacrifices to the Moon God that he might bless us with tides.

Also I use public transport.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I open all of my windows and doors then turn my air-conditioner on as high as it can go. Sometimes I leave my fridge door open too. I can't imagine global warming lasting much longer if everyone else joined in.

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

I open all of my windows and doors then turn my air-conditioner on as high as it can go. Sometimes I leave my fridge door open too. I can't imagine global warming lasting much longer if everyone else joined in.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Surely if we blotted out the sun then things would be cooler.

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I actually read an article recently about some guy in Europe who's research suggested that it was the sun's rays being more/less intense during different periods of history that affected the earth's surface temperature. According to his research there is a specific type of radiation emmited by the sun which causes cloud formation and thus increases/decreases the number or size of clouds. To him, it is a variation in this pattern which is the biggest cause of the planet heating up. In a interview, he said how people were calling him anti-green or whatever because they were saying he was diverting attention to the real cause of the problem aka green house gases.

Wether this is actually what has happened I cannot say, for I haven't really read every study on the subject of global warming that exists, and in any case there are many which were written by people being paid off by oil companies trying to buy themselves a way out of losing part of their profits and having the finger pointed at them, so unless one has an extensive scientific baggage (which I do not) it can be hard to tell the real from the fake. Of course, those documents usually reek of PR and are intended for the general public (you know, the majority of voters), and most scholarly sources I've read seem to agree that CO2 and other forms of pollution are the cause of the problem.

P.S.: I hope this post isn't out of place, I'm not trying to start a big debate here, just giving what info I have garnered so far...

Also : That air-conditionning bit is genius!!! Which I had thought of that first. You're gonna be a rich man knkwzd!

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I laughed out loud as I read this little tidbit right here. It is HARDLY a real issue nor substantiated by concrete proof. What we're seeing are folks screaming a statement over a loudspeaker wherein everyone not involved in the field (or possessing common knowledge within it) practically gets brainwashed. "Oh the TV says it every day so it must be true. Some dude with a Phd said it was happening. What field? Oh, Engineering but he's a smart dude anyhow."

I saw this coming, a skeptic who thinks its all bullshit, but yet scientists all over the world, and enviromental reports and all the other meteorlogical events that have happened in the past four years alone...that's all a delusion? Come on man, these are facts, not fiction or the ideas of madmen. It's real. But this isn't a thread for THAT issue, whether it's real or not...its about what are you doing against global warming. But I shake my head in the fact there are still people that think like you, and think it's all a practical joke.

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There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Karasu

I saw this coming, a skeptic who thinks its all bullshit, but yet scientists all over the world, and enviromental reports and all the other meteorlogical events that have happened in the past four years alone...that's all a delusion? Come on man, these are facts, not fiction or the ideas of madmen. It's real. But this isn't a thread for THAT issue, whether it's real or not...its about what are you doing against global warming. But I shake my head in the fact there are still people that think like you, and think it's all a practical joke.

I've got a degree in Geophysics. In case you don't know, Geophysics is the study of physics upon the Earth. These physics encompass heat, seismic, magnetism, electromagnetism, and gravity. Two of those bear an incredible grasp upon Earth's heating.

I've run heat flow models including atmospherical anomalies (albedo, atmospherical composition by gas ratios, etc) in combination to Geological heat flows.

I've been reading up on this subject for over eight years now, VERY THOROUGHLY.

I've debated meteorological "experts" in to a corner over this subject.

Not to break my arm patting my own back, but I'm not a fucking twat on this subject. My opinion is 100% formulated of my own research, knowledge, and findings, whether it be from my Atmospheric Sciences directed studies I did as an undergrad, tied to my job as an assistant researcher on aerosol particles in the O&M department, or just from scientific journals I have perused.

If you think the Earth's temperature functions on a single straight path with no scatter at all, you're mistaken. And if you think 100 years is plenty of time to formulate a long-term temperature phase when we can't even get the god damn weather reports right, then I suggest you read up on Deep Time. The bottom line is that man cannot begin to fathom what a thousand or even a million years feels like. People feel confined within their lifetime and see small changes. As opposed to dismissing those as "scatter" in the Earth's daily life, they immediately think there is a cause. Scientists are sought. Scientists do not LIKE having a lack of answers and at times will be quick to toss out an idea. "Well. We're progressing technologically and economically. It has been getting warmer. Man-kind must be to blame!" The statement "making a mountain out of a mole hill" fits nicely.

If you want the truth on this matter, you need to do some digging like I and a few others have. The whole of the Environmental and Meteorological fields stand to make a killing off of the grants and funding that'll get thrown toward this. Believing their research as 100% flawless, true, and believable makes about as much sense as saying Politicians are the pillars of our society and are incapable of sin. I don't give a god damn whether these prats have a Masters, PhD, or saw it on CNN. What matters in this debate isn't the roofing or wallpaper of the house. It's the foundation; the basic knowledge of how the Earth operates in conjunction to atmospheric changes. If you secure a BS, getting a MS and PhD merely require patience and time. I often find myself wondering how a PhD or Masters holder even got past semester one of their undergrad curriculum, given their knowledge.

Scientists all over the world? The UN's board on this subject is a complete joke. This debate is scientific, not political. People are trying to mix oil and water, and the end result isn't a pretty thing at all. Lines that were drawn are getting rubbed out, and a field of casual research now stands to make very nice profits off of a topic that they won't scientifically be disproved on for decades. This entire debate reeks of McCarthyism, with all of the black-listing going on in the scientific community. If you aren't on the train with this, the media will mention the "skeptics" at ______ university or ______ research institute. Instantly, the men are seen as buffoons simply from this. Calling this propaganda is pretty darn accurate.

If you want to see foils to this argument, look to DDT bans or opposition to nuclear power. Just scared, stupid people in large numbers.

"Skeptic"? Fine. Have a nice day, "Fearmonger".

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Originally Posted by Gechmir

"Oh the TV says it every day so it must be true. Some dude with a Phd said it was happening. What field? Oh, Engineering but he's a smart dude anyhow."

You know what degree environmental engineers get? A Civil and Environmental Engineering Degree. How is a PhD in environmental engineering not a valid qualification?

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I was moreso making a reference to how they'll get Joe Blow with a PhD in Poultry Science to give a rebuttal on why mankind is ruining the world-wide temperature as a whole, causing his chicken farm to run a-fowl.

The reference I was making was toward a global warming theory wherein they consulted an ELECTRICAL ENGINEER on the subject. He wasn't situated in anything relevant. The point being that if you snag a dude with a PhD, instantly, in the public eye, whatever the guy says must be "infallible". Lo and behold! Another scientist that believes in it (although not in a relevant field)! Leave the meteorological findings and research to the respective fields is my point.

But if you want to nitpick/make a jab at my use of engineer in that arbitrary example, fine. An Environmental Engineer is semi-relevant. Happy?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Gechmir

Why ya gotta be hatin', Ena!? Asagi is a genius I say! I'm following her advice right NOW in fact.

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I switched out all my old, conventional light bulbs with the more expensive but more green fluorescence thingies. Although the package says they contain mercury. I think I was counter-productive.

Recycling is actually a very expensive and inefficient process, I hear. I try to do that when I can, but our town doesn't really offer the option, sadly. =/

EDIT: I don't want to upset Gech or anything with my half-assed green actions. Please don't hate me, Gech!

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Isn't there a break-even point where the cost of fluorescent lighting becomes cheaper than with filament?

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Originally Posted by Gechmir

I was moreso making a reference to how they'll get Joe Blow with a PhD in Poultry Science to give a rebuttal on why mankind is ruining the world-wide temperature as a whole, causing his chicken farm to run a-fowl.

On that note, I do recall seeing a magazine article stating that cows currently are a more relevant factor upon the environment than most man-made contributions. One cow is capable of producing several quarts of methane gas per day. Considering the demand for beef and dairy products, that's a considerable amount of methane. I guess copious amounts of methane is bad...?

Now, I don't have a doctorate in environmental studies so I don't know how accurate this is. The only magazines I read are the more credible ones such as Smithsonian, Scientific American, Consumer Reports and National Geographic, so I doubt the cow article came from a wild source out of left field. I just don't remember which magazine it was specifically, as it was maybe three or four years ago.

It's an interesting theory, at any rate, even though blame is being assigned through a sort of trickle-down process: America loves milk and beef; the cattle industry rises to the demand; the growing cow population pumps methane into the atmosphere; Earth suffers for our gluttony.

If there's any truth to this, I guess I'm doing my part by eating more fish, chicken and pasta than beef (only because these foods are often cheaper; frugality saves the day!)

Also, I fart indoors where the walls and furniture absorb most of the gas.

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