When it rains...NYPD kill groom in shooting in "non-hostile" situation

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/25/nyc....ap/index.html

It happened all the way across the country from the UCLA-tasering incident, but it seems that the stories about police brutality and the sort are coming out of the woodwork now. I'm not surprised; good cops rarely get headlines.

Anyway, another tragic incident that will likely result in nothing more than a slap on the wrist, should it prove to be that the groom's car was non-hostile. If all they did was ram a couple cars (which, yeah, is pretty hostile but details are slim pickings; it's just as likely that the cops came out of nowhere and it was an accident) then there's really no reason for one officer to empty TWO FULL MAGAZINES.

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Damn, one of the guys got shot 11times and is still alive. I don't even know how you can justify shooting a guy that many times unless he's trying to kill you or someone else.

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Fiddy ain't got nothin' on this dude.

I find it amazing they got off fifty rounds at a non-hostile suspect.

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"I still don't want to believe it," Porter said, "a beautiful day like this, and he was going to have a beautiful wedding, he was going to live forever with his wife and children. And this happened."

That is exactly what I was thinking. And now he's dead.

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Fifty rounds! How is this possible?

How ya doing, buddy?

Even more surprising was the lack of accuracy; 21 of the shots hit the car in question (less than half) and the guy who got shot at least 11 times DIDN'T DIE. Ladies and gentlemen, your New York City Police Department! (5 officers, a combined 49 years of service, and they've never fired a round. WONDER WHY.)

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by The Dopefish

5 officers, a combined 49 years of service, and they've never fired a round. WONDER WHY.

Not that I am defending the NYPD, but really - what would incite this kind of shoot-out?

I am thinking there's more to the story we're not hearing. That kind of round-emptying fire fight isn't because the NYPD was bored. Something had to have happened - even if the groom and his party were simply being insubordinate...I really have to think there was something MORE going on.

I mean, of all the officers having never fired a round out of a combinaed 49 years service....that says something to me.

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That's just not right.

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And in further case of "no surprise", the guys shot at WERE NOT WHITE AMERICANS. ZOMG! HERE COMES REV. AL SHARPTON WITH HIS BIG SPEECHES.

There's two kinda stories that always make the news: white women being abducted and non-white people getting hurt by police. Sad.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Oh, they're black? I was wondering why Al Sharpton was sticking his nose in.

It sounds like the police there were terrible shots, but it should be noted that handgun accuracy is surprisingly low. Pistols are generally only useful at close range, and even then accuracy is questionable in a real firefight. The police are trained to always aim for the torso for a really good reason. Getting 21 rounds into a moving vehicle is probably pretty good, as 9 mms go.

Of course, that's exactly why those officers need to be hung out to dry, even if there was any justification for them to open fire (which I doubt there was). Exactly what did they think they were accomplishing, pumping 9 mm rounds into a car? Emptying two clips at a moving vehicle at that?

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The gunfire also hit nearby homes and a train station, though no residents were injured.

Idiots.

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Jeezum crow...

Yeeeeeah, everything about this story sounds completely off. I'm gonna wait until we get more info about the situation before I comment because none of this makes any sense from any perspective at all. =\

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Yeah, I am blown away like that. that had to be the worst timing to involve a criminal incident like that. here's a condolences out to his bride

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Originally Posted by Monkey King

It sounds like the police there were terrible shots, but it should be noted that handgun accuracy is surprisingly low. Pistols are generally only useful at close range, and even then accuracy is questionable in a real firefight.

I don't think you can get much closer range than a vehicle that rammed your vehicle.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Looking back at the UCLA incident (It's LA, police brutality is pretty common), it seems that this incident is representative of a problem that happens in New York all time time: a white cop engages a minority suspect with "extreme prejudice." Excuse the pun.

"Minority suspect. He's got a gun." (video).

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Yeah, I'm withholding any personal judgment on this one until more details come out. It seems fishy, but at the same time a lot of it is probably due to media spin and Sharpton. I tend to think along the lines that Sass brought up - there's gotta be a reason, and the fact that they hadn't fired a gun at someone to this point in their careers speaks more for them than it does against them.

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Originally Posted by Monkey King

Oh, they're black? I was wondering why Al Sharpton was sticking his nose in.

Article stated that they were African immigrants. So not only are they black, they're not Americans. Or at least non-native-born Americans.

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Some points jump out at me with respect to this incident:

The officers were working undercover and wearing plain clothes, not uniforms. They looked like any other dude around.

It isn't known if the officers identified themselves as police before opening fire.

The victims did ram one officer and the unmarked NYPD minivan. Then again, what would you do if five armed men approached/surrounded your vehicle and did not identify themselves as police?

This wasn't just a round-emptying case of gunfire. No fire was returned, and one particular officer fired enough rounds that he had to stop, reload his weapon, and empty it again.

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something does seem fishy, but I think that we should also give the police the benefits of the doubt right now. We don't know why they did it, but if you are going to fire that many shots, there must be a good reason...right?
now, I'm not justifying what they did, or even saying that there WAS a good reason, but I still say "innocent until proven guilty".
--my condolences to the families of the victims.

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Even more surprising was the lack of accuracy; 21 of the shots hit the car in question (less than half) and the guy who got shot at least 11 times DIDN'T DIE. Ladies and gentlemen, your New York City Police Department! (5 officers, a combined 49 years of service, and they've never fired a round. WONDER WHY.)

Cops aren't trained to kill. If it isn't serious to the cop's life, he shouldn't be shooting to kill but to immobilize. Dunno about these cops, obviously something wasn't right when they had to empty out 50 rounds.

Originally Posted by ElectricSheep

The officers were working undercover and wearing plain clothes, not uniforms. They looked like any other dude around.

It isn't known if the officers identified themselves as police before opening fire.

The victims did ram one officer and the unmarked NYPD minivan. Then again, what would you do if five armed men approached/surrounded your vehicle and did not identify themselves as police?

Exactly.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Even more surprising was the lack of accuracy; 21 of the shots hit the car in question (less than half) and the guy who got shot at least 11 times DIDN'T DIE. Ladies and gentlemen, your New York City Police Department! (5 officers, a combined 49 years of service, and they've never fired a round. WONDER WHY.)

It seems you haven't met many police officers. Very few have fired a round whilst "in the field" per se.

I side with media spin and Sharpton working his shit again. I guarantee you that we aren't hearing the full story behind this. There are way too many holes in it, from what I can tell.

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This situation is retarded. I want to know WHY the police shot so much? Why did they get rammed by the car in the first place?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Who knows.

But it seems to me that they must have been really jumpy because of the business that they were conducting in the first place - a sting on a strip club.

They musta thought the Mafia was trying to carbomb them.

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