Evanescence - The Open Door

Originally Posted by Sian

The original is by Mozart, and Evanescence released a teaser trailer for the album using a 30 second clip of their cover, which you can view here =)

Heh... I have a feeling it's going to emo extreme compared to Jade's pop version. It's not that bad though <3 I made a MV out of it.

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I'm planning to get my hands on the japanese version of that album just to get the bonus track and the DVD. Yay. BONUSESSSS

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well it seems that if you preorder the album from iTunes, you get a bonus track as well. The song is call "The Last Song I'm Wasting on You". I wonder if it's the same bonus track the japanese version will get... Anyway, all hail to Limewire, we'll get that iTunes exclusive bonus track anyway.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

i think the bonus track, if I correctly remember an old article talking about that sond, is about ben moody.

Have any of the other songs leaked yet?

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Originally Posted by Chyna~Girl

Heh... I have a feeling it's going to emo extreme compared to Jade's pop version. It's not that bad though <3 I made a MV out of it.

Well it'll be a hell of a lot more dramatic than Jade's version yes =p. The lyrics from the clip I think are "to let you fail it on me"? "I don't wanna hold you back now". But the clip has been taken from random parts of the song so it's just a mash of lyrics methinks.

Originally Posted by cubed

Well it seems that if you preorder the album from iTunes, you get a bonus track as well. The song is call "The Last Song I'm Wasting on You". I wonder if it's the same bonus track the japanese version will get... Anyway, all hail to Limewire, we'll get that iTunes exclusive bonus track anyway.

I tend to just download bonus tracks, I always feel they ruin the flow of the album because they're just stuck on at the end. I always just download bonus tracks and b-sides =p.

Originally Posted by VitaPup

i think the bonus track, if I correctly remember an old article talking about that sond, is about ben moody.

Have any of the other songs leaked yet?

It was an interview with Blender where she was showing the journalist a diary that had notes of the new songs and mentioned something about a song called "The Last Song I'm Wasting On You". She didn't confirm it was about Ben Moody, so it may not be right but it could possibly be about him.

People are saying Lacrymosa leaked and the people who claim to have it aren't sharing it, so I doubt they even have it. It's too early for leaks anyway, expect them next month about 2 weeks prior to the realease.

How ya doing, buddy?

Yeah, there's tons of people that hate Evanescence. I myself am not a huge fan of Evanescence, but I still like them. Amy Lee's vocals suit the music nicely and that's all I can say. The lyrics can be deep too. I listened to "Origin" and that's probably my favourite recording by them, although it's not an official "album." "Fallen" was pretty good too. I remember playing it nearly every day back when it was first released, mainly for the song "Going Under." I'll check out their new stuff when it comes out. They haven't really disappointed me. I see a lot of people comparing their sound to Linkin Park, but I don't see the connection. "Bring Me to Life" is probably the only song that comes close.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Erisu Kimu

Yeah, there's tons of people that hate Evanescence. I myself am not a huge fan of Evanescence, but I still like them. Amy Lee's vocals suit the music nicely and that's all I can say. The lyrics can be deep too. I listened to "Origin" and that's probably my favourite recording by them, although it's not an official "album." "Fallen" was pretty good too. I remember playing it nearly every day back when it was first released, mainly for the song "Going Under." I'll check out their new stuff when it comes out. They haven't really disappointed me. I see a lot of people comparing their sound to Linkin Park, but I don't see the connection. "Bring Me to Life" is probably the only song that comes close.

The Linkin Park comparisons were purely on the fact that they had someone rapping in "Bring me to Life", and since it was their first single and their biggest people naturally assumed they were mere copyists with a female singer. I think people shut up after they heard the other singles or if they bought "Fallen", because they only had the male vocalist on the one song.

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Originally Posted by Sian

The Linkin Park comparisons were purely on the fact that they had someone rapping in "Bring me to Life", and since it was their first single and their biggest people naturally assumed they were mere copyists with a female singer. I think people shut up after they heard the other singles or if they bought "Fallen", because they only had the male vocalist on the one song.

While I didn't hear such comparisons, I wouldn't have been surprised that people misconstrued the band's so-called "sound". (Then again, people don't bother to notice that it said "featuring" in the song credits)

I don't think people shut up though. The usual complaints against the band still hold true.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

i hate when people trash evanescence. I love her voice and the mixture of the orchestral and hard rock instruments. Plus, as far as mainstream music goes, they are on top of the talent pool. The only thing I think that warrents critisism is the lyrics; and this seems to be true for many "dark" bands. How many times can you use the word bleed, breathe, lie, etc. I cringe everytime i hear them.

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Originally Posted by VitaPup

i hate when people trash evanescence.

I hate it when people aren't able to make a valid arguement for the side they believe in. Simply saying "I don't like it when people don't like what I like!" is as snide and self-involved as it is back-patting. Get over yourself - some of us like a little talent and challenge with our music.

Originally Posted by VitaPup

I love her voice and the mixture of the orchestral and hard rock instruments.

As opposed to, what, the dozens of other bands who did it decades prior? Perhaps you've never heard of John, Paul, Ringo and George?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Lehah,
I know you've got your strong opinion that is worth alot because you are knowledgeable in the musical arena. But seriously, get off your soap box.

For every compotent musician/critic that hates Evanescence, there are at least 1 if not 2 or 3 that disagree. Now, I will agree with you that the general american populace knows jack shit about good music (Paris Hilton getting an album verifies this), but that doesn't negate the fact that Evanescence is one of the more widely accepted, appreciated, and CD purchased bands in recent history. They did win Grammy's for their work, and this proves that there is at least some musical merit to their work thus far no matter how screwed up the Grammys might be.

As to talent and challenge... Evanescence's talent has been in question due to Amy Lee's vocals. Some people think she sings flat and whiny. Others think that it is strong and smooth. I tend to favor the latter as I find very few pitch issues in their recorded music. Many of the complaints I believe, center around how she scoops up to many of her notes instead of hitting them directly. I account these as part of the style but others see it as poor singing. To each their own.

As to challenge, this to me means "technical" challenge. Frankly, technical challenge is the last thing that I have on my personal list of measures. You can have the easiest song ever, but that means nothing on whether the music is great or not. I could reference everything from the Beatles to Mozart to back that point up. I my mind, technical merit is only so much of a great thing, because the greatest music is so because it cannot be contained in the sum of its parts, it cannot be measured or built by sheer calculation or logic. Music is at its finiest when it moves inside someone, and that is something that Evanescence has achieved on a grand scale whether you like them or not.

I'm sure this won't convince you to like Evanescence, and this post is really not meant to. What it is meant to do is to hopefully have you become a bit more accepting of other's opinions and the fact that because others opinions differ doesn't make them intellectually inferior to yourself.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Dayvon

I know you've got your strong opinion that is worth alot because you are knowledgeable in the musical arena. But seriously, get off your soap box.

Didn't know you errected a fucking monarchy where we're not allowed to speak our minds, oh ye king of faggotdom. How about you shut you fucking gob instead of pissing down my leg?

Originally Posted by Dayvon

but that doesn't negate the fact that Evanescence is one of the more widely accepted, appreciated, and CD purchased bands in recent history.

Please quantify "accepted" or "appreciated" without using "CD purchases".

Originally Posted by Dayvon

They did win Grammy's for their work, and this proves that there is at least some musical merit to their work thus far no matter how screwed up the Grammys might be.

So wait a second...

You said that the Grammy's are screwed up ... except when you agree with them? What the hell kind of standard is that to hold?

Originally Posted by Dayvon

As to talent and challenge... Evanescence's talent has been in question due to Amy Lee's vocals.

While I can only speak for myself in this - I say they suck for many other reasons. It's just so happens that Amy Lee's vocals is one of the reasons they're awful.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

I tend to favor the latter as I find very few pitch issues in their recorded music.

Yet you chide Paris Hilton; which makes me wonder if you have no understanding of standard, what "recorded" music delineates or how to form a simple opinion. If Paris Hilton can make an album that sells, what does that tell you about Amy Lee?

I've never paid to hear either person sing but sure as shit, I'd ask for my money back.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

I account these as part of the style but others see it as poor singing. To each their own.

You change your stance more often than square dancers on fast-forward.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

I could reference everything from the Beatles to Mozart to back that point up.

You're attempting to compare three completely different things. Thats like trying to say the ape who used a stone tool is as important as the first women behind the wheel of a car or the creation of the 8-Track.

One is obviously far more important than the rest - but not only that - they have nothing to do with each other at all.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

I my mind

I don't respect any opinion that is stated as poorly as yours.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

it cannot be measured or built by sheer calculation or logic.

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Originally Posted by Dayvon

I'm sure this won't convince you to like Evanescence, and this post is really not meant to.

So you're yet another person who finds himself so important as to not even bother to dissuade my opinion - but continues to type just to see himself speak?

Originally Posted by Dayvon

What it is meant to do is to hopefully have you become a bit more accepting of other's opinions and the fact that because others opinions differ doesn't make them intellectually inferior to yourself.

You're certainly an exception to that statement. You certainly are inferior to me.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by LeHah

Didn't know you errected a fucking monarchy where we're not allowed to speak our minds, oh ye king of faggotdom. How about you shut you fucking gob instead of pissing down my leg?

The statement said "get off your soap box" which means quit beating a dead horse, or re-stating multiple times your opinion which has already been stated multiple times in this thread. You are more than welcome to keep your opinion.

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Please quantify "accepted" or "appreciated" without using "CD purchases".

If you are claiming that the three are never equatable, you are the one that doesn't have shit for brains. Many very talented artists and bands have sold extremely well ever since albums have existed and you know it.

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So wait a second...
You said that the Grammy's are screwed up ... except when you agree with them? What the hell kind of standard is that to hold?

I didn't say the Grammy's were screwed up. I said that no matter how screwed up anyone could think they are, winning a Grammy does show artistic musical merit regardless of any cynics opinion. There was a conditional word "maybe" at the end of the statement.

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While I can only speak for myself in this - I say they suck for many other reasons. It's just so happens that Amy Lee's vocals is one of the reasons they're awful.

My point wasn't that Amy Lee's vocal is bad, I said it is questionable, or up for debate in other words. There are so many differing opinions on Amy Lee's vocal talent, even among those that are musical aficionados. My point now is that you still can't accept that other critical musicians whose pitch retention is as good or better than yours could possibly like Amy Lee's voice, when this is simply not the case.

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Yet you chide Paris Hilton; which makes me wonder if you have no understanding of standard, what "recorded" music delineates or how to form a simple opinion. If Paris Hilton can make an album that sells, what does that tell you about Amy Lee?

Absolutely nothing. Eric Clapton sold millions of albums. So does John Mayer, so did the Beatles, so do thousands of other talented musicians and bands. I chide Paris Hilton because she is not an artist, she is a rich and slutty bitch.

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I've never paid to hear either person sing but sure as shit, I'd ask for my money back.

Thanks for stating your opinion once again. BECAUSE I DIDNT HEAR IT THE FIRST HUNDRED TIMES!

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You change your stance more often than square dancers on fast-forward.

Again, I never said I thought her vocal was bad, I stated that it is debatable because of varied opinions.

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You're attempting to compare three completely different things. Thats like trying to say the ape who used a stone tool is as important as the first women behind the wheel of a car or the creation of the 8-Track.

One is obviously far more important than the rest - but not only that - they have nothing to do with each other at all.

I won't belabor this point because you won't see it even if it hit you square between the eyes and rested on your bloody nose. Technicality does not make greatness, and you know it.

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I don't respect any opinion that is stated as poorly as yours.

LOL. Stooping to referencing a simple typo is low even for you. Stop grasping for straws.

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I like how you reference Schoenberg like I wouldn't know who he is. You are unbelieveably arrogant sometimes. I've studied his scores and heard his pieces played live by a string quartet. Yes, they are created using math and logic, and yes, they are great "musical" works. But everyone knows that these pieces are more study material and great experiments then they are made for ear consumption. Anyone can tell that the music sounds random or mechanical.

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So you're yet another person who finds himself so important as to not even bother to dissuade my opinion - but continues to type just to see himself speak?

I'd love to change your opinion. But because you are one stubborn ass, I am confident that no amount of logic or fact would dissuade your opinion. I've stated that the point wasn't to change your opinion. You are entitled to it. I was hoping you might start to give others that have dissenting opinions the respect they deserve by stop throwing your opinion consistently in their faces and catagorically claiming their inferiority.

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You're certainly an exception to that statement. You certainly are inferior to me.

Haha. You are quite the self-righteous egotistical prick. You don't even know me, and you assume you do based on a single post. At times like these, it's easy to see why you can't handle differing opinions. You can't stand being challenged. Fine, you can keep being the self-proclaimed authority, but no one's giving you that respect.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Dayvon

The statement said "get off your soap box" which means quit beating a dead horse, or re-stating multiple times your opinion which has already been stated multiple times in this thread.

I'm absolutely certain you wouldn't say this if my opinion agreed with yours.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

If you are claiming that the three are never equatable, you are the one that doesn't have shit for brains.

"Accepted" and "Appreciated" have nothing to do with "album sales". People accept and appreciate any number of works that do not sell. Not to mention, according to your logic - Ashley Simpson is better than Mozart because she sold millions of albums.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

Many very talented artists and bands have sold extremely well ever since albums have existed and you know it.

I also know that the sky is blue and water is wet. But you can't quantify talent with sales. However, you could certainly question taste with sales.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

I didn't say the Grammy's were screwed up.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

this proves that there is at least some musical merit to their work thus far no matter how screwed up the Grammys might be.

You can't even remember what you said in a previous post. You wortheless sack of shit, you're not even worth my replying to at this point. Do us all a favor, find a Rabbi and have him chop off your prick to keep you from knocking up some poor, unsuspecting girl. I don't need more of your kind in the world; I have a problem with all the ignorance already.

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Just LOL.

Lehah, you have the most closed mind I have ever seen. You can't take constructive criticism, hell, you can't even read statements in paragraphs. You have to tear each sentence, or more true even, each set of subject + verb couplings apart to misconstrue every statement. Why can't you listen and reason with someone, instead of claiming their ignorance, shoddily tearing apart their posts, and trying (failing) to beat them over the head with their own statements?

I, like you, am not going to keep railing on you or the points that I've been trying to make to you. But unlike you, I'm not gonna call you a "wortheless sack of shit" and tell you to "chop off your prick". I respect your opinion. Just don't be so self-righteous and stubborn about shoving it in people's faces repeatedly. You come in this thread consistently, just to bash on them like you are trying to pick a fight. Just tell us once what you think of them and why, and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Lehah

Get over yourself.

Take your own advice.

How ya doing, buddy?

Like it or not, the album has been leaked since yesterday. I'll post the sendspace link once I finish the upload, or if anyone else has it, please share it =)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Got it today. Well have to say that it sound like most of the old tracks they made but it's ok for me since I like this style =D Sweet Sacrifice, Lithium, The Only One are one of my favorite tracks from this 13 tracks album. Shame that version that leaked is only 192 kbps.

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Originally Posted by Matias

Like it or not, the album has been leaked since yesterday. I'll post the sendspace link once I finish the upload, or if anyone else has it, please share it =)

Where'd you get it? It hasn't been posted on Oink's

I was speaking idiomatically.

I love the album, I got it tonight and it's the most beautifully haunting album i've heard. I'll post up a detailed review when I can think straight =p.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

when you all say you have it, you mean a rip of it, right ? not the actual CD ? ;_; I thought the japanese would got it first on sept 26...

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There you go:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/aggn8f

FELIPE NO

Thanks to qubed, I finally got to listen to this. Having listened to ALL Evanescence's discography, I find this album's works to be alot simpler. I listened for the guitar scores, and it's really simple compared to the previous releases. Furthermore, the melody is really bland, and takes much longer to sink in compared to the previous songs. They did not utilize Amy Lee's voice to the fullest. I do hope they continue to produce new songs though, hoping for an improvement in the next album.

[edit] Don't get me wrong though, their work are still awesome. It's just that this album has less impact; requires more time for the songs to sink in, and the score seems much simpler.

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I'm not feeling this cd either. There is too much slow heavy blandness. Plus, her voice doesn't even sound natural in many of the songs..........perhaps the band really did need Ben Moody to make their music and not just Amy Lee. I guess I'll have to see if further listens will change my mind.


EDIT

Actually, I'm going to update my opinion of the album and say it's rather terrrible. There might be more filler on this CD than on Christina Aguilera's "Back to Basics" and that had over 20 tracks.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Downloading it as I post.

Massive thanks to cubed.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Not a whole lot of memorable songs, I liked CMWYS, Lithium, Lacrymosa (the choir is awesome) and Sweet Sacrifice, but in my opinion, Fallen was a stronger album. Some of the songs are kinda dull, kinda dissapoiting =(

Just in case anyone wants to download the songs individually: http://lolvampires.multiply.com/music (some other rock goodies there as well =O)

How ya doing, buddy?

The choirs in Lacrymosa reminds me of the ones used for "Anything for you"...

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