Evanescence - The Open Door

Originally Posted by electric_eye

Range as in like soprano, mezzo-soprano the like.

As far as singing and voice is concerned etc, I'm on a completely different boat from you, I've never really worked with these color range terms. I don't really know anything about and I suck at singing anyway.

It's hard for me to think of singing as emotional. I see it as coming across as desperate (not strictly), but of course, supposed modern punk would be one example of singing which would not appear this way. I guess it's just what we believe in, I just loathe to say I found a supposed music, song emotional, it's just a no go zone for me, a convenient barrier in my deployment of language.

Probably just ignore what I said. =(

Woah woah woah, if THATS the range you're referring to then wow, your reasons for critising Lee's voice is not exactly that, well, good. Cause not everyone can sing in Soprano. You do realise Soprano is the range of pitch, and that you are BORN with the voice you have, you can't train to be a soprano if you have a low voice and the highest it can go is, well, a E that is two octaves above middle C. I can reach a High A , two octaves above middle C easily because I'm a Soprano.

In other words, whether or not you can be a soprano , or just be a mezzo Soprano, depends alot on what voice you're born with, usually training can't help your voice go higher, and we all know all voices, even women's go lower as they grow older. Really the only thing that can make your voice sound higher is helium. And guys with voices broken are never Sopranos, only little boys get to be Sopranos.

Singing is very capable of being emotional, just look at any musical or Disney song. Scar betrays his evilness in "Be Prepared". "Part of Your world" shows Ariel's wonderment and curiosity with the human world. Even pop songs can emote as well, (If done right.) Maybe you haven't listened to enough range of styles to realise it yet.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Woah woah woah, if THATS the range you're referring to then wow, your reasons for critising Lee's voice is not exactly that, well, good. Cause not everyone can sing in Soprano. You do realise Soprano is the range of pitch, and that you are BORN with the voice you have, you can't train to be a soprano if you have a low voice and the highest it can go is, well, a E that is two octaves above middle C. I can reach a High A , two octaves above middle C easily because I'm a Soprano.

In other words, whether or not you can be a soprano , or just be a mezzo Soprano, depends alot on what voice you're born with, usually training can't help your voice go higher, and we all know all voices, even women's go lower as they grow older. Really the only thing that can make your voice sound higher is helium. And guys with voices broken are never Sopranos, only little boys get to be Sopranos.

Singing is very capable of being emotional, just look at any musical or Disney song. Scar betrays his evilness in "Be Prepared". "Part of Your world" shows Ariel's wonderment and curiosity with the human world. Even pop songs can emote as well, (If done right.) Maybe you haven't listened to enough range of styles to realise it yet.

Sorry but I do not feel as if I criticise her because of her range. I know everyone is born with a range and of course a tenor does not deal (unless in the rare case) with songs written for a bass. I know the voice does not go higher but it does not mean it cannot be extended at either end.

I'm not saying she has to sing so high for something new. Anyone could sing within their working range and this is the comfort zone. I have heard her singing live has come into criticism and this is perhaps because of her notes nearer the end of this comfort zone. If she were to keep working on training then maybe she can gain a note and these supposed troublesome notes will fall into the zone. Saying that, I have never heard her sing live but you can look at it as some sort of maintenance.

I never said singing can't be emotional, I said I hate to describe it in that manner. Too many times I read "ooh, that song is so much emotional than that one" you know? I would hate something to entirely rule out another by such a factor, when given in the context sometimes this may or may not seem entirely necessary. There is so much more scope I just see it a shame that these depths are not properly examined that's all.

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It's teeny tiny, but here's a small preview of the upcoming single "Call me when you're sober"

I was speaking idiomatically.

I didn't know about Evanescene until Daredevil came out, and I fell in love with her voice purely from the short snippet of Bring Me To Life in the trailer.
I guess you could call me one of the followers of pop culture bullshit, but I honestly don't care.

I loved Fallen.
Then I got Origin, and I loved it too.
Fallen definitely sounded better for obvious reasons, but the songs in Origin had more feeling to them.
If The Open Door has stuff like in Origin, with the recording finesse of Fallen, then it should be nothing but awesome.

DEFINITELY looking forward to it.

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Originally Posted by Sian

evanescence are shit

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yes.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Cadenza

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yes.

Well done =p

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Originally Posted by Sian

Well done =p

i was expecting something more along the lines of "lurk more" but yknow.

i actually don't dislike evanescence, they're pretty good. i recently wrote a piano arrangement that is a mix of My Immortal and New Beginnings by Finch... so i'm not just hatin'.

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Originally Posted by electric_eye

Sorry but I do not feel as if I criticise her because of her range. I know everyone is born with a range and of course a tenor does not deal (unless in the rare case) with songs written for a bass. I know the voice does not go higher but it does not mean it cannot be extended at either end.

I'm not saying she has to sing so high for something new. Anyone could sing within their working range and this is the comfort zone. I have heard her singing live has come into criticism and this is perhaps because of her notes nearer the end of this comfort zone. If she were to keep working on training then maybe she can gain a note and these supposed troublesome notes will fall into the zone. Saying that, I have never heard her sing live but you can look at it as some sort of maintenance.

I think most of Lee's live critisism comes from the fact she doesn't sound as good as the CDs, especially in the more harder rock songers like "Going Under", she sounds better in acoustic songs like My Immortal, but when shes prancing on the stage and tryin to belt it out, she strains her voice. Whether or not she was able to reach a higher note shouldn't be a major issue. I have heard the live album and she was defintly straining at the rock songs, even to the point of going off key.

Though a person is capable of extending their range, it usually doesn't go far enough that you can tell a huge difference.(Unless you're a soprano and had extensive classical training, you can go up to 5 higher notes or more) So again, not really an issue.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

I think most of Lee's live critisism comes from the fact she doesn't sound as good as the CDs, especially in the more harder rock songers like "Going Under", she sounds better in acoustic songs like My Immortal, but when shes prancing on the stage and tryin to belt it out, she strains her voice. Whether or not she was able to reach a higher note shouldn't be a major issue. I have heard the live album and she was defintly straining at the rock songs, even to the point of going off key.

Though a person is capable of extending their range, it usually doesn't go far enough that you can tell a huge difference.(Unless you're a soprano and had extensive classical training, you can go up to 5 higher notes or more) So again, not really an issue.

I don't know about it being ~5 notes, but I was thinking along power singing perhaps, I don't know if in classical they kinda use that sort of range. Anyway it's probably kinda lame for me to go on about range, but as you pointed out, with a bit of work her singing performance can be more balanced out.

How ya doing, buddy?

EDIT: Here's a better version and lyrics:

Call me when you're Sober (204 kbps)

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Spoiler:

Don’t cry to me.
If you loved me, you would be here with me.
You want me, come find me.
Make up your mind.

Should’ve let you fall,
Lose it all,
So maybe you can remember yourself.
Can’t keep believing,
We’re only deceiving ourselves,
And I’m sick of the lies,
And you’re too late.

Don’t cry to me.
If you loved me, you would be here with me.
You want me, come find me.
Make up your mind.

Couldn’t take the blame,
Sick with shame.
Must be exhausting to lose your own game.
Selfishly hated,
No wonder you’re jaded,
You can’t play the victim this time.
And you're too late.

So, don’t cry to me.
If you loved me, you would be here with me.
You love me, come find me.
Make up your mind.

You never call me when you’re sober,
You only want it ‘cause it’s over - it’s over.

How could I have burned paradise.
How could I, you were never mine?

So, don’t cry to me.
If you loved me, you would be here with me.
Don’t lie to me, just get your things.
I’ve made up your mind.

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Originally Posted by Syphex

Here's the full version of "Call me when you're sober" It's decent quality and uploaded on youtube, but it's the best I can do =/

Call me when you're sober

A disappointment, IMO. I really don't like it, and the melody gets repetitive. I hope the res tof the album is better.

The rest of the album wont be a repeat of that song, so don't worry. There's going to be songs that have a dark feel to them, and with choirs so you can't go wrong =p.

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well I really like that song. I like the chorus with the piano at the beginning. Thanks for the sharing. And the first single is never the best song of the album. I always wonder who will choose the next single. The most "commercial" song might be the one I guess. Anyway I'm not disappointed. I was expecting something more downer than that.

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I find the lead singer's voice absolutely excruciating. It might be just me, but her voice actually causes me physical pain and makes me want to leave the room that I'm in. A lot of people think it's beautiful but I just don't hear it.

At least I have an original reason for disliking them. I have about twenty more, too, but I'll keep them to myself.

FELIPE NO

I'm almost certain that this is the official cover for the album since on the popular fan sites it's been taken down due to some sort of request (probably from wind-up).

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Call Me When You're Sober is, quite frankly.....annoying.

I hope the other songs are an improvement.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Sian

I'm almost certain that this is the official cover for the album since on the popular fan sites it's been taken down due to some sort of request (probably from wind-up).

This should be it, as it's also posted on the official site (www.evanescence.com).

I just saw the video for "Call Me When You're Sober." I wasn't too thrilled about it, except for the beginning portion, which actually sounded pretty nice. I really hope the other tracks are better, though. Well, this one wasn't bad or anything.

Either way, I'm definitely looking foward to this album! I was originally planning to pre-order it, but oh well.

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I find the lead singer's voice absolutely excruciating. It might be just me, but her voice actually causes me physical pain and makes me want to leave the room that I'm in. A lot of people think it's beautiful but I just don't hear it.

Hah! My mom pretty much said the same thing.

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Why are you wasting your time saying how much you hate the band and how Amy's voice causes you physical pain. Last time I checked when I don't like something or HATE it, I don't waste my time on it.

I for one happen to love Evanescence and cannot wait for their new album.

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I just saw the video...it's ok nothing amazing like some of Marc Webb's other stuff but it's not too bad. I love the dancers though, and "wolfie" as people have been calling him is pretty hawt.

People who don't like Call me when you're sober, don't panic! The whole album isn't going to sound like that one song, lets not be too quick to judge the entire album based on one song.

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Just saw the video... Evanescence just kicks ass. That's all there is to it. So the song is a bit whiney (blah, blah, me... blah,blah, me.... ETC), what do you expect from a radio tune. The reason Evanescence rocks is because they have a unique sound and she's got great pipes, more specifically great vocal control. Will be picking this CD up ASAP.

For others who question Amy Lee's vocal talent, I have seen them live BEFORE "My Immortal" hit radio, and even before "Bring Me To Life" was big. Amy had one of the most commanding, emotion-ful, and impressive vocal performances in rock bands I've seen. She poured soooo much guts into that show... She is a great singer but has gotten ALOT of rap for some bad TV performances (which most bands suck at BTW because of horrid TV live monitoring). She doesn't have a huge range, but it is enough. Did you ever listen to the song "Hello"? There is enough of a range there to show she's got a decent range. And like I said earlier, control is her key... control and texture. And texture is something that is fairly unique.

Well, needless to say, Evanescence isn't for everyone. So if you don't like them, or just can't stand liking something "popular", then get the hell out.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Dayvon

For others who question Amy Lee's vocal talent, I have seen them live BEFORE "My Immortal" hit radio, and even before "Bring Me To Life" was big. Amy had one of the most commanding, emotion-ful, and impressive vocal performances in rock bands I've seen. She poured soooo much guts into that show... She is a great singer but has gotten ALOT of rap for some bad TV performances (which most bands suck at BTW because of horrid TV live monitoring). She doesn't have a huge range, but it is enough. Did you ever listen to the song "Hello"? There is enough of a range there to show she's got a decent range. And like I said earlier, control is her key... control and texture. And texture is something that is fairly unique.

Well, needless to say, Evanescence isn't for everyone. So if you don't like them, or just can't stand liking something "popular", then get the hell out.

I remember seeing Evanescence back when no one knew anything about them, she sounded fantastic and really knew how to work an audience. When I saw them again a year later she sounded just as good, and her stage presence was still amazing, despite the crowd being stiff. Which was why I was surprised when I heard Anywhere But Home and thought how poor her voice sounded, but still her stage presence was on peak. I always loved how she looks as if she's putting her heart and soul into every word she sings in a live setting, and that's what makes her an incredible performer.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

If track 7 is Lacrimosa... I would love to hear their version of it. Sweetbox's version was pretty good but I've never actually heard the original. I've always like Evanescence so I'll get the CD. *puts it on her x-mas list*

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Originally Posted by Chyna~Girl

If track 7 is Lacrimosa... I would love to hear their version of it. Sweetbox's version was pretty good but I've never actually heard the original. I've always like Evanescence so I'll get the CD. *puts it on her x-mas list*

The original is by Mozart, and Evanescence released a teaser trailer for the album using a 30 second clip of their cover, which you can view here =)

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I was a huge Evanescence fan about 3-4 years ago when Fallen came out. I went out and downloaded all their demos and previous eps etc, but over the course of 4 years with no new music, I lost interest. At first I didn't really like this new song but I just saw the video, which I thought kicked ass, I think it might be growing on me. I love the scene where she's walking along the dinner table all Dark Phoenix style.

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Originally Posted by Sian

I just saw the video...it's ok nothing amazing like some of Marc Webb's other stuff but it's not too bad. I love the dancers though, and "wolfie" as people have been calling him is pretty hawt.

I caught the music video yesterday as I was watching "Evanescence Makes A Video" or something on MTV2 (the only time I've watched anything MTV related in a long time). I'm more of a fan of Nigel Dick's video style, but I decided to give this video a chance. When Amy was talking about a "Little Red Riding Hood/Big Bad Wolf" theme to the video, I became very excited about it...yet, the video wasn't what I was hoping for.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good music video, but I was expecting some shapeshifting or darker theme to the video. The table scene was awesome, and the actor that played the werewolf was very, very hot IMO, but I was expecting something a little more darker and story-like. The part where one of the wolves took a bathroom break during shooting of the video was funny.

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Originally Posted by Visavi

I caught the music video yesterday as I was watching "Evanescence Makes A Video" or something on MTV2 (the only time I've watched anything MTV related in a long time). I'm more of a fan of Nigel Dick's video style, but I decided to give this video a chance. When Amy was talking about a "Little Red Riding Hood/Big Bad Wolf" theme to the video, I became very excited about it...yet, the video wasn't what I was hoping for.

Don't get me wrong, it's a good music video, but I was expecting some shapeshifting or darker theme to the video. The table scene was awesome, and the actor that played the werewolf was very, very hot IMO, but I was expecting something a little more darker and story-like. The part where one of the wolves took a bathroom break during shooting of the video was funny.

I've yet to see the making of, and yeah I know what you mean I was expecting more story to it. I was imagining it'd be like the fairytale, but with a darker more sexier twist. Like the hot wolf guy luring her into a loving relationship then A UBER DARK TWIST. Man I should be a video director

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