Nintendo Press Conference (discussion and live stream)

More than likely that system had to do with scanning the player and putting their face in the game.
Holograms and projectors are expensive, the Wii is not.

Speaking of Wii price, SEGA expects to see it sell for "under $200".
Dig it.

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Wow, i stop reading this thread for like two days, and it takes an hour and a half to catch up.

I'm already dreaming about the day i can pick up my very own Wii (o man, so possible ways to twist that sentence). I'm really hoping and praying that the Canadian doller remains this strong until after the Wii launch, i really wanna pay something like 270 for the console.

I think soon after i come into some money i'm gonna go out and buy at least two new gamecube controllers, and not open them until the day i open my Wii box. Mine are wearing out pretty quick, and i really want to be able to play GC games long into the future. It's what i should've done with 64. I only have one working 64 controller, and it's on it's on it's last legs (a friend i loaned it to spilled juice on it or something, and the B and right C buttons are sticky to the max).

I hope we can save our files to GC memory cards. I just bought one of those new fangled 1019's, i doubt i'll ever need another memory card again if what i hope prooves true.

Originally Posted by Technophile

Here's a list of games that EB and Gamestop are stocking up on. The earliest release date I found on there was 11/01/06. I wonder if this is any indication to Wii's launch date. I was hoping we'd recieve it some time around November. Also, the games are listed as $59.99 for pre-release price. WTF?

I've already started making a prioritized list as to which games i need to get early on, and which ones can wait. The depending on factual prices, i can determine which ones get the boot. A little early i know, but whatever, i need something to do.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Man... if they could do that for the rumored under 200 dollars... that would literally END the competitors.

Of course, there's no way that could happen. 3d projection technology can't possibly be that advanced. Still curious as to what's under the flap, though.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by BurningRanger

3d projection technology can't possibly be that advanced.

You'd be suprised, but 3D protection is not that new. It's just that consumers like you and I can't get our hands on it.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Technophile

Also, the games are listed as $59.99 for pre-release price. WTF?

What were you expecting? Did you belive Nintendo PR garbage? Games will sell for $59.99 and in some (plenty?) of cases/stores by $69.99, same here for Europe, 69.99€ hapiness for everyone.
I wonder when people will stop listening to marketing crap and use common sense.

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo

Then today I read this from Magicbox "Castlevania producer Koji Igarashi said that Castlevania does not fit with Wii, because the Wii market is for people who want to have new experience, these type of people do not have time to play lengthy games like Castlevania;

What I would like to know is exactly what segment of the market is Nintendo trying to catch, the 'casual gamers' or the 'new gamers', these seems like non existent groups at least in the sense that Nintendo bables.
In fact it's kinda ridiculous, the 'causal gamers' are already gamers (hence the gamers word) so they already know how to use a normal gamepad. So what's the point of the new remote? Anyway who doesn't know how to use a pad after 1 day of trainning? They won't be the experts but it will suffice.
And what about the 'new gamers'? Haven't plenty of 'new gamers' get their consoles with regular pad and learned how to use it just fine? Afterall everyone has a new gamer at some point... not to mention that this group doesn't buy a new game every week. By this logic countless board games would have to be redone because they have too much pieces and rules, same goes for card games, infact god forbid us from playing them, each set has 52 of them!
This whole thing doesn't make any sense, it seems to me that Nintendo is trying to catch some user to add to their fanbase and uses this gimmiekick to attract their curiousity them but they might be shooting themself on the feet.
This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.

Originally Posted by Protom@nNeo

also he does not have a good idea to make use of the Wii controller in the game."

Me neither, I have no idea how will all the games I usually play work with the Wii pad. They probably wont but I'm still intrested on how do you control Sonic with a Wii pad on Wildfire.

Originally Posted by Technophile

Looks like the Wii banner for games' covers has been revealed. This was on another forum with no source so I'm not sure how official it is...but here:

Totally fake, screams bad graphic design like a madman.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

What were you expecting? Did you belive Nintendo PR garbage? Games will sell for $59.99 and in some (plenty?) of cases/stores by $69.99, same here for Europe, 69.99€ hapiness for everyone.
I wonder when people will stop listening to marketing crap and use common sense.

I already fucking told you that all first party games will be no more than $50. This was stated by the fucking President of Nintendo, Satoru Iwata.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.

What do you mean? Both quotes from Harrison and Moore about Wii were very positive. Do you expect them to say that it will outsell their own consoles? I think that it is nothing more than Sony saying "People will prefer Wii over 360" and MS saying the same thing about PS3.
I don´t know where to find the Moore quote right now but here is the one by Harrison:

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"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."

"I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market."

yeah.. very glooming sign

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by AcerBandit

I already fucking told you that all first party games will be no more than $50. This was stated by the fucking President of Nintendo, Satoru Iwata.

And I've said that 1st party games (both Nintendo and others) games are.... not so good. Most of us play 3rd party games be it on a Nintendo console or any other.

Originally Posted by elevator

What do you mean? Both quotes from Harrison and Moore about Wii were very positive. Do you expect them to say that it will outsell their own consoles? I think that it is nothing more than Sony saying "People will prefer Wii over 360" and MS saying the same thing about PS3.
I don´t know where to find the Moore quote right now but here is the one by Harrison:


yeah.. very glooming sign

DUDE.... if they considered Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market or even to reduce their own share they would bash it all the possible weak points and even if the console had no weak point they would either make up some or never mention it.
If they openly say the Wii will take the 2nd place is because they have absolutely no fear from it, and means they somehow know the market share of Wii will be something ridiculous... I for one don't like this because it will reduce competition but that's where it seems to be heading.


OH!!! Wait! I got it now! You thought these dudes were sincere, honest, with fair and square market competition. That they were expressing their genuine feelings of admiration about Wii and ready to accept Nintendo's challenge with fair play.
Ah... how silly of you :doh:

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Devilmaycry: What I would like to know is exactly what segment of the market is Nintendo trying to catch, the 'casual gamers' or the 'new gamers', these seems like non existent groups at least in the sense that Nintendo bables.
In fact it's kinda ridiculous, the 'causal gamers' are already gamers (hence the gamers word) so they already know how to use a normal gamepad. So what's the point of the new remote? Anyway who doesn't know how to use a pad after 1 day of trainning? They won't be the experts but it will suffice.
And what about the 'new gamers'? Haven't plenty of 'new gamers' get their consoles with regular pad and learned how to use it just fine? Afterall everyone has a new gamer at some point... not to mention that this group doesn't buy a new game every week. By this logic countless board games would have to be redone because they have too much pieces and rules, same goes for card games, infact god forbid us from playing them, each set has 52 of them!

Broadly speaking, I’d say a ‘new gamer’ is someone who was not involved in the previous console (or handheld) generation. If you think in terms of rough numbers of consoles sold (PS2 100mil, XB 30mil, GC 20mil), I’d consider that anyone outside these 150 million (not accounting for any overlap or replacement units) to be a ‘new gamer.’ To be more specific with regards to exact segments of the market: probably the most striking examples are the Brain Training and Nintendogs games on the DS which were aimed at seniors and women respectively, which prior to the introduction of the system wouldn’t have been classified as ‘gamers’. The ‘casual gamer’ is less easier to define, although it would be unwise to suggest that they all have prior gamepad experience. Games like Freecell, solitaire, minesweeper and bejewelled come to mind, not necessarily confined to console gaming. These are pick up and play: there’s no training isn’t required to point and click and ultimately no barriers to playing. I would suspect the intuitiveness of the Wii controller would provide a similar portal and make them more inclined to pick it up and have a go.

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This whole thing doesn't make any sense, it seems to me that Nintendo is trying to catch some user to add to their fanbase and uses this gimmiekick to attract their curiousity them but they might be shooting themself on the feet.

This feeling gets even stronger when you wear Sony and MS saying that Wii would be people second choice to their own consoles, it seems like they are so absolutely sure (or else they wouldn't even dare to think about saying such thing) that the Wii will fail so miserably that they can freely use it like a pawn, a scapegoat to attack each other without fear of backfire and Nintendo steal thier own marketshare. A glooming sign IHMO.

I suspect most would beg to differ with your interpretation. The much more widely apparent view is that in terms of graphics and game genres, Sony and Microsoft have very little in the way to differentiate between their respective consoles. Hence, the promotion of Nintendo’s innovative new product by both companies as complimentary to their own is seen as a sales tactic to detract sales and attention away from their rival. In addition, it is also seen as an admission that Nintendo’s Wii offers a totally different gaming experience; one that is clearly not possible on either PS3 or X360. After all, if your product was THE comprehensive gaming machine, there’s no logical sense for recommending a rival’s console to compliment it. Obviously, both Sony and Microsoft are going to be fighting it out with each other over the same existing markets. In contrast, Nintendo appears to be growing new markets and demographics.

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry

And I've said that 1st party games (both Nintendo and others) games are.... not so good. Most of us play 3rd party games be it on a Nintendo console or any other.

Are you seriously trying to say that all the first party games on every single system aren't worth playing? That the games that the likes of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony PUBLISH also aren't worth playing? So let's go back to 1996, Super Mario 64 is shit because it's a Nintendo game, okay. Better buy that Nintendo 64 for War Gods and Hexen 64. Who needs Daytona USA 2001 when there's Speed Devils? Metal Gear Solid 4? Uh oh, that has a very good chance of being published by Sony. That means it'll automatically not be worth playing. Can't wait to get Spongebob Squarepants on Xbox 360, that'll be much better than Halo 3.

THAT'S your demented excuse to finally give in to the fact that Nintendo isn't going to charge $60 for their Wii games? How many times did Acer even need to TELL YOU?

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If they openly say the Wii will take the 2nd placewords is because they have absolutely no fear from it, and means they somehow know the market share of Wii will be swordwordswordsomething ridiculous... I for one don't like this because it will reduce competition but that's where it seems to be heading.

THERE ARE THREE CONSOLES. MICROSOFT AND SONY BOTH ADMITTING CONSUMERS WILL PICK UP A WII ALONG WITH AN XBOX 360 OR A PLAYSTATION 3 IS HARDLY DOOM AND GLOOM. PERHAPS IF THEY SAID THE WII WAS A BIG BAG OF DOG SHIT AND CONSUMERS WOULD SPIT ON THEM IN STORE BEFORE SETTING THEM ON FIRE AND PLACING THEM ON A DOORSTEP, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE BAD.



What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Pez

Broadly speaking, I’d say a ‘new gamer’ is someone who was not involved in the previous console (or handheld) generation. If you think in terms of rough numbers of consoles sold (PS2 100mil, XB 30mil, GC 20mil), I’d consider that anyone outside these 150 million (not accounting for any overlap or replacement units) to be a ‘new gamer.’ To be more specific with regards to exact segments of the market: probably the most striking examples are the Brain Training and Nintendogs games on the DS which were aimed at seniors and women respectively, which prior to the introduction of the system wouldn’t have been classified as ‘gamers’.

I don't think much money will come from these groups, infact the combination of new gamer that isn't intrested on 'regular gaming' (if you wanna call it that) isn't very likely.

Originally Posted by Pez

The ‘casual gamer’ is less easier to define, although it would be unwise to suggest that they all have prior gamepad experience. Games like Freecell, solitaire, minesweeper and bejewelled come to mind, not necessarily confined to console gaming. These are pick up and play: there’s no training isn’t required to point and click and ultimately no barriers to playing. I would suspect the intuitiveness of the Wii controller would provide a similar portal and make them more inclined to pick it up and have a go.

There's the learning curve of handling a mouse, and isn't smaller (using a mouse on a FPS is wicked but then again I'm not good at FPS no matter what mouse/gamepad I use) but when you play such slow paced games as solitaire it doesn't really matter, so you can say that these people's problem is lack of reflexes. Anyway, yes Wii would shine in these kind of games but will such persons throw 250€ at a console just for some fast gaming? Some will but I dunno about the rest. :eyebrow:

Originally Posted by Pez

I suspect most would beg to differ with your interpretation. The much more widely apparent view is that in terms of graphics and game genres, Sony and Microsoft have very little in the way to differentiate between their respective consoles. Hence, the promotion of Nintendo’s innovative new product by both companies as complimentary to their own is seen as a sales tactic to detract sales and attention away from their rival. In addition, it is also seen as an admission that Nintendo’s Wii offers a totally different gaming experience; one that is clearly not possible on either PS3 or X360. After all, if your product was THE comprehensive gaming machine, there’s no logical sense for recommending a rival’s console to compliment it. Obviously, both Sony and Microsoft are going to be fighting it out with each other over the same existing markets. In contrast, Nintendo appears to be growing new markets and demographics.

Exactly but they wouldn't do it unless they were absolutely sure Wii won't mess with their milionaire market share, leading me to thing that they've been performing market studies about Wii and the results haven't impressed them, thus allowing them to use the Wii as a pawn.


Anyway! You avatar is funny.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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Exactly but they wouldn't do it unless they were absolutely sure Wii won't mess with their milionaire market share, leading me to thing that they've been performing market studies about Wii and the results haven't impressed them, thus allowing them to use the Wii as a pawn.

You don't know what you're talking about. YOU are exactly the reason they said that. It's so they wouldn't look desperate, and to the unknowledgable, it worked! You don't judge companies on words, you judge them on actions.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

Are you seriously trying to say that all the first party games on every single system aren't worth playing?

Since Sega stopped doing consoles? Yeah, most of them aren't that great maybe some are but most aren't. BTW SMario 64 was boring, you should get a N64 for Rare games like Conker (zOMG best N64 game), Banjo or Diddy Kong Racing. Yet it's possible that some Rare games were published by Nintendo (I don't care really, I'm not any company fanboy so I don't keep records to defend them)

Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey

THERE ARE THREE CONSOLES. MICROSOFT AND SONY BOTH ADMITTING CONSUMERS WILL PICK UP A WII ALONG WITH AN XBOX 360 OR A PLAYSTATION 3 IS HARDLY DOOM AND GLOOM. PERHAPS IF THEY SAID THE WII WAS A BIG BAG OF DOG SHIT AND CONSUMERS WOULD SPIT ON THEM IN STORE BEFORE SETTING THEM ON FIRE AND PLACING THEM ON A DOORSTEP, THEN YES, THAT WOULD BE BAD.

No, that would be GOOD because that would mean they take Nintendo's console as a serious thread to them, doing what they do means they know (or at least they think they know) that Wii wont even scrach them.

Oh, are you another one that thinks these dudes are sincere, honest, with fair and square market competition. That they were expressing their genuine feelings of admiration about Wii and ready to accept Nintendo's challenge with fair play. (yes I copy/pasted)


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Originally Posted by Grubdog

You don't know what you're talking about. YOU are exactly the reason they said that. It's so they wouldn't look desperate, and to the unknowledgable, it worked! You don't judge companies on words, you judge them on actions.

DESPERATE?? JUST WTF? These guys are the market leaders!

Ok I think we are better to leave the speculation aside for 1 year (at least that's what I'll do effective as of now) and we'll see then the results of Nintendo, Sony and MS efforts.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

DUDE.... if they considered Wii a thread, a console capable of stealing the lidership of the console market...

LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

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Nintendo's Katsuya Eguchi has mentioned about new features in the Wii edition of Animal Crossing, you can swing the controller to cut trees, shovel, dig holes or fishing. If the console is connected online, your friends can leave notes or gifts to you via the WiiConnect24 service, even when you're not around.

thats pretty cool but then it isn't cause what if some freak sends you dirty letter's about mr.nook :S

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Castlevania producer Koji Igarashi said that Castlevania does not fit with Wii, because the Wii market is for people who want to have new experience, these type of people do not have time to play lengthy games like Castlevania; also he does not have a good idea to make use of the Wii controller in the game.

i somewhat don't care about castlevania games on consoles
the good ones are on handheld now
plus didn't somebody show him the virtual console controller he can use for the game?


er.. oh no.. somebody better delete devilmaycry's post we don't want a locked thread again
such assholes these days...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.

Do you see that nice flag near my nick? that' means I'm not native english speaker, why don't you try to write somethin in portuguese so I can laugh too :biggrin:

Anyway, what' wrong with it so I don't do it again?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by devilmaycry

BTW SMario 64 was boring, you should get a N64 for Rare games like Conker (zOMG best N64 game), Banjo or Diddy Kong Racing. Yet it's possible that some Rare games were published by Nintendo (I don't care really, I'm not any company fanboy so I don't keep records to defend them)

You don't need to be a 'fanboy' to know that Nintendo and Rare were in bed together for years. You seem to know less about what you're talking about in regards to gaming than the average garden hose. Except they at least don't try and pass everything off as fact.

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Originally Posted by devilmaycry

Do you see that nice flag near my nick? that' means I'm not native english speaker, why don't you try to write somethin in portuguese so I can laugh too :biggrin:

Anyway, what' wrong with it so I don't do it again?

It's LEADERSHIP.

And I'm not a 'native english speaker' either but I try to make the best of it.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

It's LEADERSHIP.

And I'm not a 'native english speaker' either but I try to make the best of it.

Ok thanks!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

devilmaycry, you're a fucking idiot. Just stop speaking.

Nintendo marketing to non-gamers is a brilliant move. My mom read about the Wii in Time Magazine and since then is eagerly anticipating it as much as I have. She and I used to play games when games were controller by a D-pad and 2 buttons.

She lost touch with gaming around the time SNES came out because the controller was too damn complex. She couldn't get into it. She had a hard time figuring the whole thing out. Yeah, doesn't sound like a problem someone like me or you would have, but for someone in their 30s/40s, it IS a problem.

She has been eagerly awaiting a return to simple gaming, and the Wii is going to attract people like her. I already got her to play my DS with New Super Mario Bros and Tetris DS, and she's considering picking up one of those too!

If Nintendo can successfully market this thing to non-gamers, specifically those like my mom who can't (or don't want to) handle complex controllers, Nintendo will EASILY become the market leader. They're an untapped resource, and they outnumber us by ALOT.

It's smart marketing.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

LOL

I don't normally point out grammar errors but...it's ten in the morning and it's funny.

also, it's "threat," not "thread."

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

My comments on Sony and MS's comments on Wii.....

I think the reason that both sides said this was because they knew that Nintendo really "won" E3. Nintendo had everyone's eye and delivered in a HUGE way. There is no question about this.

What Peter Moore and Phil Harrison said was them trying to gain attention back and to distance themselves from Nintendo. They can see that Wii is far superior innovatively and creatively, whereas their consoles have horsepower and eye-candy. They know they can't convince everyone to not buy a Wii. But they can easily convince people that they have a product you can't get on Wii, which is hard-core gaming.

These consoles really are barely in competition. There is really no question in my mind, the Wii will sell more consoles than the X360 and will DEFINITELY sell more than the PS3 (which I think is more than guarenteed to fail). Now this doesn't mean that every publisher will start making all their titles for Wii (e.g. MGS4, FFXIII, GTA4, etc). What this does mean is that Nintendo is gonna making crap loads of money, and all of us are going to enjoy gaming again like the Atari days, fun simple games.

Why is Wii going to sell alot? People do want something new, and Nintendo is the only one offering truly something new. Throwing the football with Madden, pointing the bow and arrow w/ Zelda, accurate gun aiming, steering wheel racing... This IS revolutionary.

And it will only grow from here. Can you imagining playing Fight Night Round 4 with two wiimotes as your fists? How about RE5 with accurate aiming and lighting effects? How about RTS games finally easily usable with mouse-like control? How about a true sword fighting game? Lightsabers? Airplane flying using the wiimote as a flightstick? The possibilities are truly endless...

Whiners like devil may cry, and Jacky boy who had this great line in the Best of E3 thread,

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Yes not everyone wants to look like a young child with down syndrom while playing their videogames.

just dont get it and they won't until someone forces them to play it cause they are stubborn and NOT open minded.

We'll see what you think when you actually try it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

The problem, Dayvon, is that they won't try it. They'll stick to playing stale graphical upgrades of the same games they've been playing forever. Little do they know that they'll look like morons when they're trying to fly a plane in Warhawk by wiggling a 10 year old Dual Shock controller.

Don't worry about them. It's their loss, not Nintendo's. Nintendo probably could care less about morons like them anyway. They'll get more marketshare by NOT trying to hook them in.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by sprouticus

The problem, Dayvon, is that they won't try it. They'll stick to playing stale graphical upgrades of the same games they've been playing forever. Little do they know that they'll look like morons when they're trying to fly a plane in Warhawk by wiggling a 10 year old Dual Shock controller.

Don't worry about them. It's their loss, not Nintendo's. Nintendo probably could care less about morons like them anyway. They'll get more marketshare by NOT trying to hook them in.

Totally agreed.

Many gamerz will say "look at the neewbs playing Wii!"
But the entire mass market will say "look at the nerdy gamerz twiddling their thumbs!"

I'm so glad Nintendo decided to risk it all to bring us something new. If nothing else, their efforts in this way warrant a Wii purchase.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Hey Acer, a quick sidebar, shoudn't this thread be changed to the official Wii discussion thread now?

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