Why do some people regard nintendo as "kiddy"

Originally Posted by NovaX

I don't get this, how can you just disregard them?

"Nintendo only has kiddy games, except for the games that are aimed at older audiences, but I don't like them so they don't count."

No.

If I don't like them, I disregard them. But that's just that - as the majority of Gamecube games are aimed at kids, over adults. Much like I disregard 3D fighting titles. It doesn't mean they don't exist, it's just the majority of 2D fighters have one up over on them.

There's still a decent amount of games worth buying for the Gamecube, but most of them would be Pikmin, SSBM, you know, game titles which are aimed at kids. It isn't a bad thing, but I'm sure that Eternal Darkness and Killer 7 are good games (I haven't played either so far, and I have no intention to, as I'm not really into horror/violent games. This applies to Silent Hill (after 1) Project Zero/Fatal Frame series, Siren series and so forth) but they're just not in my interest like others.

And that's it, really. The majority of people are more likely to choose cartoonish, animeish games over horror titles, for their kids and for themselves.

How ya doing, buddy?

"Comparing Nintendo to Sega is like comparing Bush to Kennedy. In this case, Bush would be Nintendo."

How so? In the sense that Kennedy is dead and Bush isn't?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Look guys, if Nintendo wasn't held back by their need to be family-friendly, we would have gotten a much better online DS service.

Instead, you have to use "friend codes," and you can't choose a game to enter (no lobby system)... it's frustrating.

How ya doing, buddy?

Yeah, they really better address that issue for Revolution. We better have accounts that we can log into or something because friend codes on a console just won't cut it. Built in buddy list into the system or something.

I was speaking idiomatically.

"Instead, you have to use "friend codes," and you can't choose a game to enter (no lobby system)... it's FREE."

You had a typo there, sir.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Guess what, Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (PSP) has a much better online service, and it's free.

Just because it's free doesn't mean they can't do it.
AND Just because it's free doesn't mean we can't complain about it.

FELIPE NO

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There's still a decent amount of games worth buying for the Gamecube, but most of them would be Pikmin, SSBM, you know, game titles which are aimed at kids.

Explain how Pikmin is "kiddy." But you are forbidden from using the following reasons:

1. It's rated E. So are Gran Turismo 4 and Madden. This reason is meaningless.
2. It has rich, colorful graphics as opposed to murky browns. Killer 7 had bright graphics too.
3. The lack of violence. Once again, no violence in something like Gran Turismo.
4. The lack of sexuality. If this makes a game kiddy, the list of the guilty gets quite long.

I eagerly await your answer, Elixir.

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Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (PSP) has a much better online service, and it's free.

Actually it has one gigantic glaring flaw. It requires the purchase of Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (PSP). Mediocre PS1 games do not suddenly become great once they get demoted to the PSP.

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Originally Posted by Deguello

Actually it has one gigantic glaring flaw. It requires the purchase of Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror (PSP). Mediocre PS1 games do not suddenly become great once they get demoted to the PSP.

Woah, woah, woah.

First of all, it's an amazing, ORIGINAL game. It's not a remake/port of Syphon Filter 1, if that's what you're thinking.

Secondly, there are no free online Nintendo games. You still need to buy Metroid Prime Hunters or Mario Kart DS or Animal Crossing DS, ALL of which are also handheld spin-offs of their main series. We're talking about the aesthetics here. Stuff that you'd be embarrassed to be seen playing in front of non-gamers.

So... what's the point you're trying to get across here?

Also, don't try to say that Pikmin isn't an example of a kiddy game. It has chibi characters and cute sound effects. I'd also say that Katamari Damacy is a kiddy game in that respect, even though adults play it.

It's all in the aesthetics. We're talking about games that you'd be embarrassed to be seen playing in front of non-gamers.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

"Just because it's free doesn't mean they can't do it.
AND Just because it's free doesn't mean we can't complain about it."

Alright. I don't really care, because I loath playing games online. It's like the internet came and ruined a perfectly good game.

I could only conceive of using online for one reason: playing Revolution and DS games with my friends (pietriots and real friends) who own the games.

So far, no DS games with online interest me, so I haven't played them. And the PSP just plain doesn't interest me. But the friend code idea doesn't bother me because I would vastly prefer playing alone to playing with some god-forsaken online gamers.

Now that's just me, and I hope Nintendo develops their online system (especially for Rev) for all those unfortunate souls who seem to enjoy online gaming (your life is worth more than that, seriously).
All that said, I was joking about the typo thing.

Edit: "You still need to buy Metroid Prime Hunters or Mario Kart DS or Animal Crossing DS, ALL of which are also handheld spin-offs of their main series."

I've never played AC: WW, but MP:H is a wholly original game, as original as Syphon Filter: PSP Rocks or whatever the subtitle is, and Mario Kart DS (while it does reuse some tracks for nostalgic purposes) has enough original content to make up a new game, and then some.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I take it you've never played Dark Mirror, Deguello?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

My point is that Syphon Filter sucks ass, period. Each one was a gigantic pile of bleh and Dark Mirror is no exception. It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear.

And the game being terrible might also have something to do with it.

Did I mention it's terrible?

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Originally Posted by Deguello

My point is that Syphon Filter sucks ass, period. Each one was a gigantic pile of bleh and Dark Mirror is no exception. It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear.

And the game being terrible might also have something to do with it.

Did I mention it's terrible?

Do you have a PSP.
Have you played the game.

Don't lie now, or you'll have lost even more respect.

Originally Posted by HostileCreation

-whole post-

This, my friends, is what's known as "backpedaling" in an argument.
"Oh, well online games suck anyhow, I was joking when I said the first thing, etc..."

And yes, I own MP: Hunters, and it kicks ass. However, I never said it was only a port/remake of Prime on the GC. I said it was a spin-off of the main series. Plus, it has a shittily-short single-player mode and the best part of the game is the multi-player/online play.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Do you have a PSP.
Have you played the game.

I have played a PSP several times. And I have played the game, and it is a dog.

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Don't lie now, or you'll have lost even more respect.

Ahaha good gravy, who should I care for?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Uh oh, Deg, watch out. You might lose respect on the internet.

"It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear."

And I don't even like Metal Gear.


I'd also like to point out that Pikmin features ranks of innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts, as well as undertones indicating the positive qualities tyrrany.

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This, my friends, is what's known as "backpedaling" in an argument.
"Oh, well online games suck anyhow, I was joking when I said the first thing, etc..."

I never said Mario Kart DS or MP:H were good, you may note. I've never played the full version of MP:H, only the demo, and I've never played Mario Kart DS online. I was merely affronted by the implication (and it was ever so present, deny it or not) that Syphon Filter was somehow more original than those games.
You called Syphon Filter original and the Nintendo games spin-offs. The implication was there.

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Originally Posted by HostileCreation

I'd also like to point out that Pikmin features ranks of innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts, as well as undertones indicating the positive qualities tyrrany.

Have you played Mario World or Kirby?

What do Yoshi and Kirby do to their enemies?

Geez, saying a cartoony act of violence is "innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts" is hilarious.

Asking for you not to lie is because it's pretty obvious that you are a Nintendo fanboy (or a troll), and it's quite hard to argue with a fanboy. I'm trying to give you the chance to back up your opinions instead of simply spouting "yeah, well, I played it and it sucked, so it must be a horrible game."

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

"Geez, saying a cartoony act of violence is "innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts" is hilarious."

Thanks. Because, y'know, that was a joke.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Deguello

My point is that Syphon Filter sucks ass, period. Each one was a gigantic pile of bleh and Dark Mirror is no exception. It's free and supposedly good online system does not help the fact that it is still the poor man's Splinter Cell, which is the poor man's Metal Gear.

And the game being terrible might also have something to do with it.

Did I mention it's terrible?

How is it a poor man's game when they all cost the exact same? Not to mention they're all different games, and have very little similarity gameplay wise. In fact, Syphon Filter isn't even in the stealth genre.

Oh I get it though, since it's on Sony's PSP, it must suck. Since you know, it's not Nintendo.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by HostileCreation

"Geez, saying a cartoony act of violence is "innocent creatures being devoured by fearsome beasts" is hilarious."

Thanks. Because, y'know, that was a joke.

That excuse is already wearing thin.

How about you stop making "jokes" and start backing up your claims. To disregard what you said as a joke is to run away from your original argument.

And although Deguello doesn't seem to like Syphon Filter, its rating on http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/920798.asp seems to support the claim that it's a "good" game. Apparently you're one of the few that doesn't like it.

And basing your opinion of a single game off of the games that preceded it is pretty narrow-minded.

How ya doing, buddy?

An excuse? Do you understand the concept of humor? How could tyrannical undertones in Pikmin be taken seriously?
I don't think you get it. I wasn't making an original argument. I consider Pikmin a game that's child-friendly. Not kiddy, because I'm not a kid and I enjoy it.

I've made two claims. Everything else was a joke, and obvious jokes at that.
Those claims are:
1. I don't like online gaming, and will only use it to play with friends.
2. Mario Kart DS and MP:H are original games, at least as original as Syphon Filter: PSP Rocks.

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or Deg in the latter part of that last post, because I've never played Syphon Filter (any of them), and I never claimed to. So I wouldn't know.

I'm not even sure what claims you're talking about. I'd like you to lay out your argument clearly so I know what these claims are that you're making up.
Also, if it helps, I can go back through the thread and put by every joke I made.

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HostileCreation pretty much nailed it in his first post, it's very much an insecurity thing among gamers. Although I'm still happy to see games like Kingdom Hearts succeed on the PS2.

Originally Posted by Elixir

...SSBM, you know, game titles which are aimed at kids.

Which was basically the second coming of Christ in the gaming world, and one of the few games that can hook me back in for a month or so straight each year, even after owning it at launch nearly five years ago. If Nintendo had meant it for kids then they kind of messed up with the Teen rating, although I always questioned how it got that.

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Originally Posted by Deguello

I have played a PSP several times. And I have played the game, and it is a dog.

I loved the game and spent 20+ hours on it. I'm curious as to why you found it bad. The game's the best FPS on handhelds today in my opinion.

Also, please name what you think is the best game on both PSP, and DS.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I have an 11 year old step brother who plays both the X-box and PS2. Obviously all systems are created to appeal to some crowd--age demographic completely exempt because it's fucking capitalism. They want to sell as many systems and games to as many people as they can.

Holy Hell what is up with the retarded debating going on, here.


All the while, I grew up with atari and nintendo. So fuck you guys >=|

FELIPE NO

Sadly the control scheme and gameplay of Pikmin is too much for most kids to handle, but the kiddy presentation is still not lost, for I appreciate its magical style! Plus the soundtrack kicks ass.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

OK OK.....

I have to say that while I'm an advocate for Nintendo, I really don't like Pikmin, Animal Crossing, even Mario Kart DS is kinda MEH for me.
Perhaps it's because there's so much hype surrounding these games that I'm actually disappointed when i play them. That and I dont like RTS games, of which Pikmin is derived from.

In regards to Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror on PSP, I've played it.
If there's one thing I absolutely HATE about the PSP, it's the controls.
I stopped playing the game after 5 minutes cause it was just so awkward and uncomfortable. I have to say though, that the presentation of the game was awesome, so full props there.
Everyone may think it's an awesome game, and the reviews for it support that...I'm not criticising the game itself - I'm sure it's awesome. But the controls all but ruin it for me.

Now, I love Katamari.
So naturally, I tried playing Me and My Katamari.
I hated that too. Why?
Cause of the controls.
Using the D-pad and face buttons IN PLACE of the two control sticks on the PS2 was just so bad. How can anyone NOT complain of blistered thumbs after 5 minutes? =/

The DS may not offer the best type of control method for all the regular bunch of game genres we're all used to, but it does offer up something that other systems can't really match. While with PSP, every game on it is just something that can be done on ps2 with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever to make it stand out - other than GFX ON THE GO.

For Nintendo's kiddy image.....it's an unfortunate stereotype to be stuck with, which IS ironic considering most 'KIDS' would rather play the uber violent games anyway.
Mario Party MAY be fun as Halo in multiplayer, but which one do you think is the 'cooler' one?
I think Mario Party is a huge waste of money, anyway (play a REAL board game, you idiots).

What I'm surprised about, going with JazzFlight's examples here....
MORE people would rather be seen with Katamari than Pikmin ANYWAY.
Both are kiddy games, but it's just that Katamari has rather strange drug-induced gameplay style to it.
Which most likely means its considered more mature.
That it's a good game is irelevant. Both of them are good games, if word of mouth and reviews are anything to go by.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

This debate is so all over the place. Why the hell are we discussing Syphon Filter anyway? It has nothing to do with Nintendo being kiddy.

There's nowhere I can't reach.