[SotW] Song of the Week - Qualification: Quiet Voice -conditional duty-

Would someone be kind enough to change my vote to "Abstain/Don't Care." With all due respect, I thought this was about VGM, not composers. I don't mean to oversimplify or generalize, but this... shit, going on in this topic is kind of striking a nerve with me. The guy has industry credibility, it's suddenly VGM. I mean, that being the case and given we can nominate "original compositions", I have to question the spirit of this event.

In case of tl;dr, I'm saying this is retarded.

How ya doing, buddy?

With all due respect, before you get your panties in a bunch, the track in question is a VGM arrangement.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I realize your internet argument reflex was trigged, but don't worry... I'm better than that. I acknowledged that we can nominate original compositions, and before that stated the logic behind a lot of nominations, Blah. So what's your point?

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Originally Posted by Rotorblade

The guy has industry credibility, it's suddenly VGM.

This line. We're not even arguing for the inclusion of an original composition in the first place, it has all to do with an explicit provision that made unofficial arrangements by VGM composers eligible. So now we're arguing what makes a composer a VGM composer. If you're saying it's not about the composer, why are you switching your vote?

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Originally Posted by Bigblah

We're not even arguing for the inclusion of an original composition in the first place

I acknowledged that we can nominate original compositions, though I can see where you would believe the statement I make on "that line" would imply otherwise, it was a rollover statement that went wrong. To clarify, my line of thinking here is that if we can nominate original compositions, not this composer in question, and if we acknowledge that industry work means VGM composition experience... why is this track an issue now? The man's career seems to be up and coming, I feel that it's silly to really dictate what direction his career is going while having an event based on promoting video game music. It's kind of in the vein of what orion said in his latest post, in my eyes.

Edit: I'm switching because as I saw this unfold, it seemed to contradict the goal of SotW to me. As far as your claim of this being a "Screw you" goes? That's your interpretation, but it certainly isn't a reflection of my feelings. If I wanted to say "screw you", I'd stop nominating, stop voting, and stop acknowledging that this event even exists on the forums. Don't get it twisted.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

In other words, a protest switch. Alright, gotcha.

You know, your initial post really can be taken both ways.

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I acknowledge that, but I appreciate any benefit of the doubt. Usually because my wording is a consistent source of fuck ups for me, it isn't the first time and it certainly won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by Rotorblade

Would someone be kind enough to change my vote to "Abstain/Don't Care." With all due respect, I thought this was about VGM, not composers. I don't mean to oversimplify or generalize, but this... shit, going on in this topic is kind of striking a nerve with me. The guy has industry credibility, it's suddenly VGM. I mean, that being the case and given we can nominate "original compositions", I have to question the spirit of this event.

Yeah, the existence of those two specific provisions make it pretty clear that this is about composers as well. I guess the difference is whether you interpret the provisions as meaning "hey you all know about this composer but did you know he did this arrangement/original?" or "hey there's this guy who is known primarily for his arrangements but did you also know he does...arrangements?" or "hey this is an arrangement, which is normally ineligible, but wait achievement unlocked 10 tracks composed, sound test activated."

I picked the first interpretation, since if the 2nd or 3rd interpretations are in fact accurate, I didn't see the point in locking out doujin stuff in the first place.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by CHz

The issue is whether or not his body of work qualifies him as a VGM composer. Other fan arrangements we've had in the past by the rule are virt's Dragon Spirit mix "Wings of Gold" from VGMix, MintJam's Final Fantasy Adventure mix "In Search of the Holy Sword -Seiken Densetsu-" from 3rd GIG #Crescent, and S.S.H's Blast Wind mix "Ultimate Destroyer" from his site.

Ah, I see. This is akin to not reading the fine print. :P Ooooops. If doujin by VGM composers is allowed, I'd be willing to support "Quiet Voice -conditional duty-"

If the definition of VGM composer is the issue of debate, another question I have is whether the current rules allow us to make exceptions for non-VGM composers who have been commissioned to arrange/compose a few specific original tracks for a game. And remember, these composers have never composed a full VGM album. Are such composers still considered VGM composers? Currently, I think this is allowed as long as the track is an original composition for a game, but once the composer composes a track for a non-game project (e.g. studio albu), the track can't be nominated if he/she isn't considered a VGM composer. (Hope I'm interpreting the rules correctly...)

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Originally Posted by orion_mk3

Am I alone in longing for a simpler time, a time when people nominated music from video games? But even I've put up an original track recently...

Not the only one. The problem is that you then find out about a relatively unknown original piece by a really well-known composer, and you want everyone to hear it (the case with my current nom). At least this has been my sole exception to my "no non-game-related songs" principle.

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Originally Posted by Dhsu

I picked the first interpretation, since if the 2nd or 3rd interpretations are in fact accurate, I didn't see the point in locking out doujin stuff in the first place.

What, is this a popularity contest now?

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The "yes" votes outnumber the "no" votes, 2:1. I think we've reached a verdict, regardless of however long folks care to debate the split hairs.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

What, is this a popularity contest now?

Well, more like an unpopularity contest. I see the provisions as loopholes to allow obscure work from composers who are otherwise too popular to be eligible, as Drakken just mentioned. If that wasn't the original intent, I'd appreciate some enlightenment as to what it actually was.

But as Crash has pointed out, the vote is pretty clear. Till next time, I suppose.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Yep, even if you remove the two votes from people who don't participate in SotW, the track is still up 11-6-2. Handwriting's on the wall!

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Originally Posted by ToneDefer

I´ve voted for yes...

That's nice. Seeing as how you don't participate in Song of the Week, your vote means nothing here.

Of course, you could fix this little problem...

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