same-sex love

Originally Posted by VitaPup

I have to agree with Eleo. I think many people stare not becuase they are offended by anything, but just becuase its not very common to see 2 guys/girls holding hands. I'm not saying that there are not ignorant people out there, just that not all who stare are ignorant.

VitaPup actually does bring up a valid point. I can imagine a lot of people have never seen a gay couple show affection for each other, no matter how mild it may be. I just met a black girl this weekend who has never seen a white person before, and she couldn't help but stare and study.

I dunno. It be a double edged sword.

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Originally Posted by AliceNWondrland

I don't want to see anyone making out/dry humping in public - heterosexual or homosexual. Light kissing, holding hands, etc. doesn't bother me at all, whether it's a man and a woman, two men, or two women.

Yep, totally agree. I see it fairly often on my campus, (as in about once or twice a week), so iti usually doesn't surprise me.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Just don't have sex in public. Sometimes, I also get annoyed when some guy and girl start engaging in lengthy smooches as if they're just trying to buy attention. Everything else is none of my business.

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Originally Posted by *AkirA*

My sisters gay, and I fear for her only because people can be very closed minded sometimes.

Yeah, my sister is lesbian and I worry about her whenever she makes that obvious in public. I probably shouldn't because we live in a pretty liberal sort of place, but I still get this sick sort of nervous feeling in my stomach whenever I notice someone noticing. (Can't help it though, I've heard some awful stories, and you always want to protect your siblings.)

It doesn't bother me when people are holding hands or whatever, but PDAs more than a light kiss do bother me (regardless of the participants genders.) I'm not sure why it's troublesome, except maybe that I've now been initiated into the Adult Conspiracy (thank you Piers Anthony.)

How ya doing, buddy?

I agree with Alice on this topic, kisses, hand holding is fine by me regardless of your sexuality. At the mall in a corner I saw a gay couple really going at it, seriouslly there are better places to it then in the corner of the mall where everyone can watch. No one seemed offended, its just one of those moments that you want to say to the couple 'get a room!'

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I'm gay, and I live in Texas. And I'm in a relationship. Sad to say, I'm scared to even touch my boyfriend whenever we are out in public, for fear of being beat up. It's that bad. =/ The most we'll ever do outside of our apartment is "accidentally" bump eachother or touch eachother or touch hands, etc. And even then only whenever no one is watching.

I cannot WAIT to move somewhere else where we can at least hold hands outside of our house. It's just ridiculous how we are not able to show our affection to eachother except behind closed doors.

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Or you could just not care. I wouldn't care if people were staring at me because I was holding hands with a guy in public. Granted, Stephen doesn't do such things at all, but still.

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Right now, I can say that I don't mind at all, but I have never actually witnessed two guys engaging in any kind of PDA. I would probably try my best to avoid staring or looking since I wouldn't want to be rude. Honestly though, I would probably linger or flinch for a bit, having never ever seen something like that happen. Although I know I wouldn't be judgmental if I saw two guys kissing or holding hands, even though I would appear to be.

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Originally Posted by Phoque le PQ

Just don't forget: it's a GENERAL thread

I'm a guy, and i'm in love with another guy. Although I claim not to care about "public opinion", I must say I sometimes feel uneasy to hold his hand or kiss him in public, especially at university. For some reason, heterosexuals seem to have romantic monopoly.

I mean come on, we're keeping our clothes on, we're remaining decent, we're not comitting any crimes...

What is your attitude towards same-sex lovers?

Easy thing for me to say, EWW lol jk.
I think its all good unless you decide to start taking your clothes off in the public and doing something that is totally inappropriate. Ocassionally if it is 2 hot girls I usually tend to raise an eyebrow and smile.

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I have no problem with homosexual PDA whatsoever. However, --this happened to me just the other day-- I can't help but feel a bit awkward when I see a homosexual couple holding hands, walking down the street. I have no problem with it but unfortunately most of the surrounding public does... Oh, and for the record I've never seen a lesbian couple in public, just gay couples. =S

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Muzza

Oh, and for the record I've never seen a lesbian couple in public, just gay couples. =S

You know.... that is very true, I see gay people hold hands and show affection in public all the time, even see them share a kiss or two at the public pool... no lesbians anywhere.

Why is that I wonder?

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It is not very rare to see gay couples showing affection around here; it is, after all, a college town. I get disgusted when I see couples--of any sexual preference--sucking face right out in public, though. They'll just be right there on campus, standing on the sidewalk... I mean, I know you'll have to be away from her for 2 whole hours, but I promise that then you can go home and do whatever it is you do with her.

All that being said, I am morally uneasy about homosexuality. It is not that I don't believe two people of the same sex can be truly in love--it is clear that they can--but I suspect that it is love deviating from what God created. The Bible is very clear on the matter, but as someone who grew up in a very conservative background, I can say that I'm in disagreement with how the church treats gays. Part of it is that they're just old, some of them--old people can get really stubborn and judgemental, you know (my parents being no exception)? We have scared homosexuals away from the church.

I'd like to elaborate more, but I have to leave for class and I'm sure you don't really wanna hear it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by blue

All that being said, I am morally uneasy about homosexuality. It is not that I don't believe two people of the same sex can be truly in love--it is clear that they can--but I suspect that it is love deviating from what God created.

I never could understand how homosexuality is considered morally wrong just because a old book thinks so. Being born a homosexual is as natural as being born straight, we just don't see many because many of them are afraid to come out because some societies still persecute them.

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Originally Posted by Chibi Neko

You know.... that is very true, I see gay people hold hands and show affection in public all the time, even see them share a kiss or two at the public pool... no lesbians anywhere.

Why is that I wonder?

I find this fascinating, because in Chicago, I see a lot more lesbian couples walking hand in hand and kissing more than the gay fellas. Unless you are in Boy's Town (where more than 80% of the population is gay male), I don't see it with the men. My homeboy Marvin, who is a gay man, says "Why would I want to hold hands in public? I may be gay but I'm still a dude." [for more info on Marvin, see my journal.] I don't see lesbians showing public affection often, but there definitely is a difference.

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Originally Posted by Chibi Neko

I never could understand how homosexuality is considered morally wrong just because a old book thinks so. Being born a homosexual is as natural as being born straight, we just don't see many because many of them are afraid to come out because some societies still persecute them.

Because he believes in a religeon. There are many beliefs/books that voice no to homosexuality and it ain't just Christianity either. My belief is since we are all sinners, I feel that I can not judge nor say anything against anyone. Which means, I'm just as evil/sinner as the next gay person or straight person or whatever thier sexuality is. Regardless of what the Bible says, to me, I'll let God sort it out and I'll keep to myself. Which means if you want to know what I believe or my religeon you will come to me as a mature adult and I'll show my beliefs via my actions and etc not by preaching or going out and annoying people.(Who doesn't hate a Johova's witiness?)

Regardless, what you do in private, should remain private cause no one cares who you bang but public there can be a problem such as the ones mentioned earlier. Excessive ammounts of PDA.

Same goes for same sex marriage, I could care less. Whatever doesn't hurt me, doesn't bother me.

Man I think I went off topic but...

/me shrugs.

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Originally Posted by Chibi Neko

I never could understand how homosexuality is considered morally wrong just because a old book thinks so. Being born a homosexual is as natural as being born straight, we just don't see many because many of them are afraid to come out because some societies still persecute them.

I must say, that statement sounds rather ignorant. This "old book" is a very valuable historical document, even to non-believers. This same book has incredible teachings, stories, and moral philosophies which were way--and still are, come to think of it--ahead of their time. I myself am unsure of how I feel about the Bible sometimes, to but call it simply "a old book" seems... well... foolish.

Now, people argue often about whether people are "born gay." I tend to think that they aren't--there seems to be no solid proof at this point--but I would definitely consider that some people have a genetic predisposition to be attracted to those of the same sex. However, this is still a poor argument for saying that they should be able to do whatever they are "genetically" inclined to do. Clearly, psychopaths and mass murderers and those who are just downright aggressive have some genetic predisposition toward it. This does not mean we let them act on it. Now, homosexuality is quite a different thing; my point is that using the "genetic" argument is inherently flawed.

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Originally Posted by blue

Clearly, psychopaths and mass murderers and those who are just downright aggressive have some genetic predisposition toward it.

Actually I completely disagree. I used to work for Jay Robert Nash, who was a crime historian. Looking over his work, I came to realize almost all psychopaths (take my favorite, Gacy the birthday clown) and calculated murderers (my favorites again, Jack the ripper, Charles Manson) follow a psycological/sociological background that would lead them to their acts. I also saw my ex-girlfriend turn from carefree flower child in to a psychotic schizophrentic because of the sociological background she was placed in to.

As for homosexuality, I have seen children being raised to go both ways (no pun intended). I have seen two gay men raise a boy who ended up straight, and I have seen two lesbians raise two lesbian daughters. I think for homosexuality, it is a blend of nature and nuture, but how much of which is still a big ass mystery.

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Is it really important why someone is gay or straight though? The feelings are just as real either way. Well, I'm just speculating there because I've never been in love with another girl, but it certainly seems like it. </off topicness>

Has anyone here ever been guilty of gratuitous PDA? I did once (seriously, learned my lesson from that), and it made the school newspaper because we just happened to be in the path of a photographer out to get nature shots. Talk about twisted luck. The title of the article was "Decency now, decency."

My boyfriend thought it was awesome, but I was really embarassed.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I don't think its really important why someone is gay or not. If they are, then so be it. And if they want to hold hands and smooch a little, then fine. Just don't be doing it to show off or anything.

But, nope, I have never really been guilty of gratuitous PDA... mostly because I am single during the University year (Not by choice.... )

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Originally Posted by blue

I must say, that statement sounds rather ignorant.

The bible is a book, and it is old, so it really is a 'old book'.

The bible does contain historical documents and stories, and one that is utter nonsence cough *Adam* cough *Eve*, but a valuable myth none the less. The fact is that no matter the source, saying that homosexuality is morally wrong is... well... wrong, it is by far more a part of nature then anything else. Fatt said it well about two same-sex parents raising a child that turns out be straight, so your sexual orientation is not something that you choose on.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I do not like gay people, male or female. People call this homophobia, but I can guarantee I'm not afraid of gay people. I am afraid of Spiders, though.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Chibi Neko

You know.... that is very true, I see gay people hold hands and show affection in public all the time, even see them share a kiss or two at the public pool... no lesbians anywhere.

Why is that I wonder?

That's cause you have to look more closely. Lesbian couples tend to have one extremely butch mate that looks exactly like a well groomed and handsome man if they're wearing loose clothing. Extremely short hair, probably no make up. The only thing you might be able to see is the outline of a boob.

I'm not homophobic cause my culture (filipino) tends to treat homosexuals as a piece of comedy. In every show I've watched there's always a flamboyantly gay, man who always makes the funniest jokes. I know it's a stereotype we've somehow created that all gay men have to act like girls. but ehh what can I do.

I just hang out with alot of gay people cause they have so much drama.

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Originally Posted by Chibi Neko

The bible is a book, and it is old, so it really is a 'old book'.

The bible does contain historical documents and stories, and one that is utter nonsence cough *Adam* cough *Eve*, but a valuable myth none the less.

I don't mean to just to talk about this but Chibi, there is NO VALID proof on how the world was made, it was made and that's final. In reality, creationism or even the big bang could be a big ass myth as well. Either way, we're here now and if there is an after-life rather you believe or not and if we do become enlighten and know whatever or even ask the diety you believe in how the world was made and etc. We'll find out later, if not well then we'll never know.

All I know is, the world is here and we should worry less about how the world was made.

Originally Posted by DarknessTear

I do not like gay people, male or female. People call this homophobia, but I can guarantee I'm not afraid of gay people. I am afraid of Spiders, though.

You aren't a homophobe or whatever for not liking/wanting to be around gays and thier life style. No one makes you accept it. It's how you SHOW IT, it's what count.

If you go around beating up gays or doing whatever, that's wrong but if you quietly say or keep to yourself that you do not think gays -insert random comment.- That is your own opinion and people should respect that.

If you are a homophobe then you'd be like, OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG !!!111111 HE'S GAY GET AWAY BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH... Much like if you are clastophobia and etc.

I could say I don't like the lifestyle of -insert- whatever. And even if it's totally stupid, it's an opinion and that is what counts. Opinions don't harm people, it's when you go above and beyond and claim you must clense/make them turn into something they aren't.

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Originally Posted by Zio

I don't mean to just to talk about this but Chibi, there is NO VALID proof on how the world was made, it was made and that's final. In reality, creationism or even the big bang could be a big ass myth as well.

The big bang theory doesn't describe how the universe was created.

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

The big bang theory doesn't describe how the universe was created.

I could have swore it did, it does say in a way the world was but either way, we'll never know what is true.

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