[PS2] Final Fantasy XII

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

The destruction and how horrifying it must've been for those who didn't know their friends and family were gone, captured right there in that last page.

What I wondered about the most was the people who were there when it happened. They probably didn't even realize anything was wrong, until they suddenly awoke as fearful, undead creatures. The explosion certainly took everyone instantly. I can't help but imagine all of the people there, especially the children. They never expected anything and never knew what hit them.

It makes me wonder just how powerful a piece of Nethicite really is. If Nabudis and the area surrounding it is any indication, the Midlight Shard must have discharged several megatons of energy, at least.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

What I wondered about the most was the people who were there when it happened. They probably didn't even realize anything was wrong, until they suddenly awoke as fearful, undead creatures. The explosion certainly took everyone instantly. I can't help but imagine all of the people there, especially the children. They never expected anything and never knew what hit them.

Yeah, there were probably people instantly vaporized like what happened to the Leviathan, while those outside of the immediate vicinity simply took heavy damage. But, damn. Maybe it had something to do with the shard being used in at ground level that must've focused the blast, because the terrain was obviously changed and the ground stripped bare.

As for the folks? A lot of the monster entries there mention how they're formed from the undying patriotism of Nabradians (the hunt Deathscythe, which harasses the petitioner endlessly because he stole an axe from the Necrohol). The banshees are another example, it's as if the grief the women felt transformed it into something sinister (as it makes you commit suicide). Or the Crusaders, which instantly reminded me of "old soldiers don't die, they just go away". Some took death to become the monsters that they are now, others likely transformed just like the plants there.

Oh, have you noticed the mention of "undeath" in bestiary entries? That's exactly what the Deadlands is teeming with. There's definitely tons of monster activity, but only a small portion of it is from beings that are actually alive.

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It makes me wonder just how powerful a piece of Nethicite really is. If Nabudis and the area surrounding it is any indication, the Midlight Shard must have discharged several megatons of energy, at least.

Good question, though it also begs the question: Did Raithwall ever use nethicite in its destructive capacity to instill fear into the kingdoms that were warring at the time? This would make them easier to deal with and combine into the Galtean Alliance, which he used to keep the peace.

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Seeing the Deadlands and the destruction a shard caused, definitely leads credence to Fran's comment about what Nethicite the size of the Great Crystal could do.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Nethicite the size of the Great Crystal could do.

Ah! I meant to post about this a while ago, but got sidetracked. My question: If the Sun-Cryst is the mother of all Nethicite (that is, all non-manufacted Nethicite was physically taken from it) where the heck the did Great Crystal come from? Is the entire thing made out of Nethicite? How would that be possible? Or perhaps just the smaller spherical crystal that was embedded in the bottom level? But even that piece is much larger than the Sun-Cryst.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Ah! I meant to post about this a while ago, but got sidetracked. My question: If the Sun-Cryst is the mother of all Nethicite (that is, all non-manufacted Nethicite was physically taken from it) where the heck the did Great Crystal come from? Is the entire thing made out of Nethicite? How would that be possible? Or perhaps just the smaller spherical crystal that was embedded in the bottom level? But even that piece is much larger than the Sun-Cryst.

It's possible that the Sun-Cryst itself is merely a shard from the Great Crystal, since it looked as if it had been ripped from a larger, rougher crystal. The cryst is likely the "mother" because it's the direct source from which the shards were taken from. It seems like the true source is the great crystal and that orb at the bottom.

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And where did it come from? Venat says it herself/itself, they manipulate the world with the stones. That's why it/she mentions that even though they had failed in creating a new Dynast-King, that the age of stones is over and they can't interfere any more.

Seems like a pretty clear connection: Occuria are beings of unimaginable power who manifest themselves in Mist (are they the source?), and create stones rich with this power and dole it out to those whom they wish to manipulate. The Great Crystal seems like it's seen quite a few years, and from the way it's placed, it seems like it's the power source for Giruvegan.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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But the Sun-Cryst is also mentioned as being the "Source of its unending power", meaning that the Sun Cryst somehow remotely empowers deifacted Nethicite.

Here is a quote from the Japanese story translation:

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King Geln : Ashe Banalgan Dalmasca, the one who seeks power. You must seek the holy power that we have kept. 'Heaven's Cocoon' sleeps in the tower of a distant sea. It is the orgin of all Nethicite and the source of power. The Tyrant's fragments that you know of were cut from this Cocoon.

If the Great Crystal is the actual source of all Nethicite, why couldn't they just make a new Sun-Cryst? And concerning the Sun-Cryst itself, it doesn't look like it was cut from anything. It actually seems to be a very well-formed crystal.



That's the clearest picture I could get. It looks pretty smooth, considering pieces have already been cut from it. As for the Occuria, I'm not sure how six (and now, five) beings could be the source of all of the Mist in the whole world. And if they're so powerful, why don't they control history directly? Even if they do have weaknesses and are afraid, there is still nobody around at this point in time that could possibly challenge them. They should move in and get a grip before they are surpassed. Of course, they would then be hated, but you have to make sacrifices, right? Or perhaps the fact that they haven't tried to interfere directly means they're not all bad? I mean, they could have easily slain everyone in the Pharos when they decided the attack the Sun-Cryst. But they didn't. Personally, I have never considered the Occuria to be truly evil in the same way that Kefka or Albedo are evil, for example.

(You know, now that I really look at it, the Sun-Cryst is kind of evil looking. Up close, one can see strange colorings and perturbations of its interior structure.)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

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But the Sun-Cryst is also mentioned as being the "Source of its unending power", meaning that the Sun Cryst somehow remotely empowers deifacted Nethicite.

Here is a quote from the Japanese story translation:



If the Great Crystal is the actual source of all Nethicite, why couldn't they just make a new Sun-Cryst? And concerning the Sun-Cryst itself, it doesn't look like it was cut from anything. It actually seems to be a very well-formed crystal.



That's the clearest picture I could get. It looks pretty smooth, considering pieces have already been cut from it. As for the Occuria, I'm not sure how six (and now, five) beings could be the source of all of the Mist in the whole world. And if they're so powerful, why don't they control history directly? Even if they do have weaknesses and are afraid, there is still nobody around at this point in time that could possibly challenge them. They should move in and get a grip before they are surpassed. Of course, they would then be hated, but you have to make sacrifices, right? Or perhaps the fact that they haven't tried to interfere directly means they're not all bad? I mean, they could have easily slain everyone in the Pharos when they decided the attack the Sun-Cryst. But they didn't. Personally, I have never considered the Occuria to be truly evil in the same way that Kefka or Albedo are evil, for example.

(You know, now that I really look at it, the Sun-Cryst is kind of evil looking. Up close, one can see strange colorings and perturbations of its interior structure.)

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Well, some surfaces seem smoothed/polished, but it still looks like it came from a larger object. Often times something whole and complete is often shown as being spherical (like that mass of Nethicite in the crystal). This thing looks like little more than a glorified shard.

As for the Occuria? Think about it. They seethe Mist, even the approach (The Feywood) to where they dwell (Giruvegan) is thick with it, it's the power within the stones that drive the world, and also what creates monsters out of regular things. The Mist, if you want to simplify it... is pure, flowing power. It's mentioned that whenever mistflows change, whatever lands they cover are irreversibly changed.

You use gather it to summon beings that challenged the gods themselves and unleash attacks far more powerful than anything you could manage normally.

Mist doesn't seem to do anything more than pervert flora/fauna into beasts drunk with its power, or enable/create destruction. Only when it's sealed away in stones and slowly drained is it beneficial. I see the Occuria and what I see are seemingly immobile entities who bear not a passing resemblance to a stone (and now that you brought up the cryst pic, they have the same general shape as the source of all nethicite's power). Oh, as I was saying, they ooze Mist. Their features are frozen like stone, and they pour mist out. Heck, theirs is an especially dark kind, no less.

If Mist is simply power, and the Occuria aren't gods, then they're at least creatures who drank so deeply that it corrupted them utterly. Simply reading through the entries you see that at every point that some other group started gaining power that might soon be comparable to theirs, they destroy them. I don't know about you, but commanding a princess to slaughter everyone and leave a few alive, sounds pretty damn evil. Maybe if it had been a human character saying this, and not some hideous thing, you probably would've agreed.

Kefka and Albedo were evil, no doubt. This simply doesn't deviate that farm from them, since in the short time we were treated to the Occuria, we were shown their unbalanced and bloodthirsty nature (something you were keen to notice in the entries). Not to mention, those same entries mention that after a certain event, the gods retreated behind the wall of an ancient city, and more.

Oh and the cryst's appearance? It looks like there's something inside, but we can't quite make it out due to the crystal distorting the image of the thing inside.

BTW, Piccolo, have you completed the Garif entry? I still need another Garif Adventurer, but the story talks about a dragon and God, literally. Sounds like Yiazmat and his creator, since that's the only other entry that mentions one creator like that.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Well, some surfaces seem smoothed/polished, but it still looks like it came from a larger object. Often times something whole and complete is often shown as being spherical (like that mass of Nethicite in the crystal). This thing looks like little more than a glorified shard.

Well, I guess we can't know for sure.

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As for the Occuria? Think about it. They seethe Mist, even the approach (The Feywood) to where they dwell (Giruvegan) is thick with it, it's the power within the stones that drive the world, and also what creates monsters out of regular things. The Mist, if you want to simplify it... is pure, flowing power. It's mentioned that whenever mistflows change, whatever lands they cover are irreversibly changed.

You use gather it to summon beings that challenged the gods themselves and unleash attacks far more powerful than anything you could manage normally.

Mist doesn't seem to do anything more than pervert flora/fauna into beasts drunk with its power, or enable/create destruction. Only when it's sealed away in stones and slowly drained is it beneficial. I see the Occuria and what I see are seemingly immobile entities who bear not a passing resemblance to a stone (and now that you brought up the cryst pic, they have the same general shape as the source of all nethicite's power). Oh, as I was saying, they ooze Mist. Their features are frozen like stone, and they pour mist out. Heck, theirs is an especially dark kind, no less.

My personal theory concerning Mist and the Occuria is that they are so powerful spiritually (or magically, if you prefer) that their manifestations leak excess Mist. Or perhaps, their presense causes disturbances in the local Mistflow. Personally, I think Mist itself is just a natural phenomenon, like Pyreflies or Mako.

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If Mist is simply power, and the Occuria aren't gods, then they're at least creatures who drank so deeply that it corrupted them utterly. Simply reading through the entries you see that at every point that some other group started gaining power that might soon be comparable to theirs, they destroy them. I don't know about you, but commanding a princess to slaughter everyone and leave a few alive, sounds pretty damn evil. Maybe if it had been a human character saying this, and not some hideous thing, you probably would've agreed.

Well, yeah, I suppose that is pretty evil. Although, for the record, I don't find the Occuria to be Hideous at all. On the contrary, I find them to be very beautiful, especially this one:



I mean, come on, it looks like an angel.

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Kefka and Albedo were evil, no doubt. This simply doesn't deviate that far from them, since in the short time we were treated to the Occuria, we were shown their unbalanced and bloodthirsty nature (something you were keen to notice in the entries). Not to mention, those same entries mention that after a certain event, the gods retreated behind the wall of an ancient city, and more.

I don't believe that they were bloodthirsty per se. I do not think that they want to go around destroying people, simply for the sake of destroying. I can't imagine them wiping out a group of people and saying to themselves "Heh! That was cool!". They would probably say something more along the lines of "We do what we must. To survive". At least, that's probably how they see it. What would you do if you were in their position?

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Oh and the cryst's appearance? It looks like there's something inside, but we can't quite make it out due to the crystal distorting the image of the thing inside.

I wish the video wasn't riddled with Youtube's compression; then we could see the inside clearly.

And no, I have no completed the Garif entry, yet. In fact, I haven't played in days.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Well, I guess we can't know for sure.

That much is certain.

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My personal theory concerning Mist and the Occuria is that they are so powerful spiritually (or magically, if you prefer) that their manifestations leak excess Mist. Or perhaps, their presense causes disturbances in the local Mistflow. Personally, I think Mist itself is just a natural phenomenon, like Pyreflies or Mako.

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For a natural phenomenon, it sure is problematic. Funny how you chose Pyreflies and Mako, naturally occuring features in those worlds that either give rise to monsters or enable destruction. I guess the only difference here is in the degree. One was essentially, free-floating spirits and the other was akin to magma. The Mist seems much more sinister in its ubiquity due to it being just like... well, common mist. The only thing I can think of that is close to it in terms of scale and effect on the world is the miasma described in Crystal Chronicles.

Well, that would explain Venat's seemingly instantaneous "warps". It/She wasn't warping so much as remanifesting elsewhere, and your theory also seems to hold true when taking into account Vayne's final transformation. Was Venat manipulating the mist it charged and distorted, causing it to flow into him? Or did Venat simply take control of him (hence the name of the final boss, also the name given to the Occuria, and the unearthly roar he let out when dying)?

Either way, there's a good chunk of the game that hints at them being the gods described. I tried to take a good look at those strange statues each of them had behind them, as well as the scenery. It's possible there were more of them, and we simply warped into a general meeting place.

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Well, yeah, I suppose that is pretty evil. Although, for the record, I don't find the Occuria to be Hideous at all. On the contrary, I find them to be very beautiful, especially this one:



I mean, come on, it looks like an angel.

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That one looks... ok. The beady, glowing eyes does nothing to soften them up in my eyes. That's a deliberate design move on SE's part to create a piercing glare effect, something not associated with kind creatures. Venat, for example, looks like it's/she's rotting. Must be something in the Mist outside of Giruvegan, or maybe it's simply one of it's unique features like that screencap Occuria's wings?

They would've looked even more frightening had they had arms, but it would've screwed with the overall feel. Arms would've dictated use, leading to a deemphasis on dialogue (it would be distracting, and take away from the raw yet motionless rage Gerun had).

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I don't believe that they were bloodthirsty per se. I do not think that they want to go around destroying people, simply for the sake of destroying. I can't imagine them wiping out a group of people and saying to themselves "Heh! That was cool!". They would probably say something more along the lines of "We do what we must. To survive". At least, that's probably how they see it. What would you do if you were in their position?

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I'd probably take a long look at myself and ask "Why?" Why would I have any right to decide not only life or death, but who flourishes and prospers, what nations meet, how long peace will last. You're right in that the Occuria would never utter something as shallow as "Let's kill for the sake of killing". Instead, they'd justify their actions with motives and ideas that could essentially be called evil. Or at the very least, a long shot from good.

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I wish the video wasn't riddled with Youtube's compression; then we could see the inside clearly.

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Is it possible for what's inside to be similar to the ornate symbols (glyphs) that each summon is imprisoned in? But instead of this being a summon, it's simply power encased in a crystal.

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And no, I have no completed the Garif entry, yet. In fact, I haven't played in days.

=O, well, don't sweat it about that one. Goddamn Adventurer probably has the lowest spawn rate in the game. There's literally no way to get him to spawn.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Woa, negalmuur still freaks me out when he spawns lol.
Anyway, yesterday, after i went to save and switch off, i noticed that a new door appeared in that door. So i saved and went there. All 3 members got confused and berserked, and a kind of pyrobomb appeard. After i killed it, some slimes appeared too. And behind them, in the end of that small area, there was a chest containing a shell shield. I didn't save after, 'cause i wanted to ask you if i should take it, or if there's a trick to get a better item.
Anyway, the fact that this doors appear after leveling with negalmuur for at least a few hours, makes me think that the developers knew that some people would discover a way to autolevel, or anyway to manually level a lot there.
So, i wonder if they just failed to make it impossible to AUTO-level, or if they just wanted to make it possible ...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Theres something wrong ..... I just went to see "garif" but for some strange reason I do not have enough money to but A THING ..... which in the Jap ver I had money up to my ears ..more than enough- I spent more than 5 hours leveling up ( now im in 39 ) and Im off to this Mt omicase or some shait like that with Larsa.. my problem is HOW do you get more money ... I sold all my loots but for some reason I do not hae enough money to buy a desent Equipment ( mind you my level is great at this point )

I dont want cheats but I am missing something? @_@

ta!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Zodiark:

- Equip Black Masks (Absorb Darkja, heals you), get them in Balfonheim
- Equip White Masks (Absorb Shining Ray or whatever it's called, heals you),

okay the white masks didn't help... but the black masks did. Oh, and they only work, when you don't have disease on.

How ya doing, buddy?

If any of you find the camera angels quite weird when venturing around the Nechorol? I think the corridors were not exactly level, but kept ramping up or down and made my turning of cameras funny.

Also, I call THE FEAR, ben, because I sure can't read Cyrillic. BEN.

I found the Deadlands rather boring, actually. The foilage and natural surroundings just seemed weird meshed with an all grey environment. So in other words I found the Necrohol more creepy than the Deadlands.

As for levels, Balthier, Fran, and Basch are about level 53-54, while the rest of the gang are at about 44 with Vaan being the lowest at 40. I'm at the 95 hour mark in the game. Where do I get ribbons? Those look very nice. NU HUH U CAN'T CAST POISON ON ME NO NO!

Metal Sphere, I hear you are the TV guru.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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For a natural phenomenon, it sure is problematic. Funny how you chose Pyreflies and Mako, naturally occuring features in those worlds that either give rise to monsters or enable destruction. I guess the only difference here is in the degree. One was essentially, free-floating spirits and the other was akin to magma. The Mist seems much more sinister in its ubiquity due to it being just like... well, common mist. The only thing I can think of that is close to it in terms of scale and effect on the world is the miasma described in Crystal Chronicles.

Pyreflies are completely neutral. They are non-sentient and have no will of their own. They only become a problem when a person's soul remains unsent; then their Pyreflies can become a fiend. Even Mako energy isn't inherently bad. Mist, too, is not bad in itself. Fran even says that it can be a powerful aid.

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Well, that would explain Venat's seemingly instantaneous "warps". It/She wasn't warping so much as remanifesting elsewhere, and your theory also seems to hold true when taking into account Vayne's final transformation. Was Venat manipulating the mist it charged and distorted, causing it to flow into him? Or did Venat simply take control of him (hence the name of the final boss, also the name given to the Occuria, and the uneartly roar he let out when dying)?

I don't think she took control of him so much as joined with him. After all, she said "Let's walk together." She then infused him with her power, which he proceeded to use, or tried, at least. It makes me wonder if he was using her full power. If he was, perhaps the Occuria are really weaklings?

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Either way, there's a good chunk of the game that hints at them being the gods described. I tried to take a good look at those strange statues each of them had behind them, as well as the scenery. It's possible there were more of them, and we simply warped into a general meeting place.

I think that the biggest piece of evidence is the quote about the Gods going into a city of their own making. What else could it be but Giruvegan and the Occuria? I am forced to wonder why the bothered to build all of that, though. It's obvious none of it is being used or lived in. But certainly, they couldn't spend all of their time on that one platform.

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That one looks... ok. The beady, glowing eyes does nothing to soften them up in my eyes. That's a deliberate design move on SE's part to create a piercing glare effect, something not associated with kind creatures. Venat, for example, looks like it's/she's rotting. Must be something in the Mist outside of Giruvegan, or maybe it's simply one of it's unique features like that screencap Occuria's wings?

Something else I noticed about their eyes: Because they have no pupils or Irises, no matter where you stand in relation to them, it seem as though they are looking directly at you. Take this picture of Venat, for example:



Now, where is she looking?

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They would've looked even more frightening had they had arms, but it would've screwed with the overall feel. Arms would've dictated use, leading to a deemphasis on dialogue (it would be distracting, and take away from the raw yet motionless rage Gerun had).

Speaking of Gerun, he's pretty good-looking too. His "armour" is very ornate. Too bad he's such a jerk.

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I'd probably take a long look at myself and ask "Why?" Why would I have any right to decide not only life or death, but who flourishes and prospers, what nations meet, how long peace will last. You're right in that the Occuria would never utter something as shallow as "Let's kill for the sake of killing". Instead, they'd justify their actions with motives and ideas that could essentially be called evil. Or at the very least, a long shot from good.

But perhaps, in their view, they are justified. Try to put youself in the mindset of an extremely powerful and immortal being having existed for eons. Who has any right to challenge you? What hubris! Being a god, anything you do is, by definition, "right". Who can say otherwise? What do they know? They are only mortals, after all. Do they believe they have greater wisdom then you? Insufferable!

It seems like you would be the Venat of the group.

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Is it possible for what's inside to be similar to the ornate symbols (glyphs) that each summon is imprisoned in? But instead of this being a summon, it's simply power encased in a crystal.

That's what I thought; they look like glyphs of some kind.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Oh gawd, now I have to do a shitload of research into the Occuria and nethicite to keep up with you all? Sheesh. I'll try writing something up later...

Metal, you're looking for a Garif Adventurer? I'd have to say about half the time I passed through the Greensnake in Ozmone, there was a hostile garif there battling a few Wu. Any attempt at buffing him would only result in that bastard coming back at me, like I hurt him. You could also check the Giza Plains (south) during the rains - garif adventurer has spawned there a couple times before.

Wow, Ensauguined Shield + Lure >> PyrBlaster. God, that wyrm (tyranosaurus rex) can hit pretty hard without it

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I kill the garifs.. there are so funny when they die!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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For the record, if I had been the leader of the Occuria, I would have been helpful and benevolent toward any races or people that were showing signs of great power. Why not become friends with them? We could rule (I mean rule in the positive sense, to help and to guide when it is needed, not in the sense of dominating or controlling) Ivalice together. Think of what we could learn from each other! I would forge positive and friendly relationships with all of the peoples of Ivalice. At least, that is how I see it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Lionking-Cyan

Woa, negalmuur still freaks me out when he spawns lol.
Anyway, yesterday, after i went to save and switch off, i noticed that a new door appeared in that door. So i saved and went there. All 3 members got confused and berserked, and a kind of pyrobomb appeard. After i killed it, some slimes appeared too. And behind them, in the end of that small area, there was a chest containing a shell shield. I didn't save after, 'cause i wanted to ask you if i should take it, or if there's a trick to get a better item.
Anyway, the fact that this doors appear after leveling with negalmuur for at least a few hours, makes me think that the developers knew that some people would discover a way to autolevel, or anyway to manually level a lot there.
So, i wonder if they just failed to make it impossible to AUTO-level, or if they just wanted to make it possible ...

That passage way appears even if you didn't auto-level. The bomb you fought up there is a rare game called Matriarch Bomb. Very easy, but you got hit with the confuse+berserk trap I warned people about. Either way, I'm glad you found Negal.

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Theres something wrong ..... I just went to see "garif" but for some strange reason I do not have enough money to but A THING ..... which in the Jap ver I had money up to my ears ..more than enough- I spent more than 5 hours leveling up ( now im in 39 ) and Im off to this Mt omicase or some shait like that with Larsa.. my problem is HOW do you get more money ... I sold all my loots but for some reason I do not hae enough money to buy a desent Equipment ( mind you my level is great at this point )

I dont want cheats but I am missing something? @_@

ta!

Hmm, maybe they increased the prices/lowered the overall drop rate from the japanese version? Level up more if you need more money, because other than lookt and hunts, there aren't any other avenues for cash.

Originally Posted by Atomic Angel

okay the white masks didn't help... but the black masks did. Oh, and they only work, when you don't have disease on.

Has someone ever explained to you what disease does? You can't heal whoever is infected by it, so of course it wouldn't work. That's why Ally: status Disease > Remedy should've been in your gambits somewhere. White Masks was for the very rare usage of Banishing/Shining Ray which would've hit hard had you not had the masks.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

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Pyreflies are completely neutral. They are non-sentient and have no will of their own. They only become a problem when a person's soul remains unsent; then their Pyreflies can become a fiend. Even Mako energy isn't inherently bad. Mist, too, is not bad in itself. Fran even says that it can be a powerful aid.

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In small amounts, as I admitted. Two of these are useful in said quantites for power, and one has no use other than to be a nuisance. Pyreflies themselves are the souls of the unsent, who condense into monsters as a result of their bitterness and envy towards the living. Mako is more like radiation than anything else, as it'll mutate/damage you severely if you come in contact with a lot of it. Mist, on the other hand seems to be dangerous in any context outside of magicite, and that's because it's contained/limited in it's effect (tamed Mist).

Fran's one to be talking, when Mjrn and her went into Mist frenzies when exposed to too much of it. I assume the effect on humans takes longer to kick in but it's probably death/madness/etc.. That would explain why no one other than the Occuria live in Giruvegan, despite all the buildings in the distance. I'm not saying it's evil, just that it has more direct ties to troubles in the world than the first two. Again, how it works is nearly identical to the description of miasma in CC.

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I don't think she took control of him so much as joined with him. After all, she said "Let's walk together." She then infused him with her power, which he proceeded to use, or tried, at least. It makes me wonder if he was using her full power. If he was, perhaps the Occuria are really weaklings?

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Aha! That was another one of the thoughts floating in my head as I typed up the last one. I really do think Venat gave (not lent) Vayne her power, and in a sense, herself as well. This would be two way transaction of course, as Venat would gain.... mortality while Vayne was slowly losing his humanity. Hence why "The Undying" not only roared as Vayne, but the dying being that walked with him. Pretty fucked up how he died though, his flaming/disintegrating body fell to the Bahamut with a thud and withered to nothing.

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I think that the biggest piece of evidence is the quote about the Gods going into a city of their own making. What else could it be but Giruvegan and the Occuria? I am forced to wonder why the bothered to build all of that, though. It's obvious none of it is being used or lived in. But certainly, they couldn't spend all of their time on that one platform.

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It's possible they directly ruled over an immense number of people in the past, hence the city, but those people moved away when the Mistflow changed and covered Giruvegan. I think the others were doing something else, in another part of that floating city when they came running at the mention of Venat. There are probably more and these might simply be those authorized to be there.

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Something else I noticed about their eyes: Because they have no pupils or Irises, no matter where you stand in relation to them, it seem as though they are looking directly at you. Take this picture of Venat, for example:

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Isn't this the same effect many people describe the Mona Lisa as having? The "looking at you from every angle" thing certainly has a name, though you're right. That's exactly what it looks like. As if they never took their eyes off of you.

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But perhaps, in their view, they are justified. Try to put youself in the mindset of an extremely powerful and immortal being having existed for eons. Who has any right to challenge you? What hubris! Being a god, anything you do is, by definition, "right". Who can say otherwise? What do they know? They are only mortals, after all. Do they believe they have greater wisdom then you? Insufferable!

It seems like you would be the Venat of the group.

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Might =/= Right. Hell, the thought of the Abrahamic god was novel(Omnipotent, Omniscient, and one last one...) at the that it was introduced. The Occuria are simply incredibly powerful being, who lack respect, honor and compassion (among a great many good qualities). Yup, it definitely sounds like I'd be the "Venat" alright.

Seriously, if you have all that power why not create peace by bringing together all the people of Ivalice? A lowly hume did it for a long time, even if he did use nethicite, while you can't? They could alter the flow of mist, making more areas safe to inhabit (like reopen Giruvegan to everyone), ease relations between nations, etc... Like you mentioned in your later post, I'd guide and protect the land while being directly involved with them and learning.

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That's what I thought; they look like glyphs of some kind.

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In that case, it's probably a glyph that creates a supercharged piece of nethicite or one that has power as it's base (the crystal builds around it).

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Oh gawd, now I have to do a shitload of research into the Occuria and nethicite to keep up with you all? Sheesh. I'll try writing something up later...

Metal, you're looking for a Garif Adventurer? I'd have to say about half the time I passed through the Greensnake in Ozmone, there was a hostile garif there battling a few Wu. Any attempt at buffing him would only result in that bastard coming back at me, like I hurt him. You could also check the Giza Plains (south) during the rains - garif adventurer has spawned there a couple times before.

Wow, Ensauguined Shield + Lure >> PyrBlaster. God, that wyrm (tyranosaurus rex) can hit pretty hard without it

Oh, I know about both spawn points, it's just that... they spawn too rarely for it to be a timely affair. The Bangaa and Baknamy are by far the easiest to finish. And yeah, Pylraster (that bastard was scored with countless old wounds) was pretty savage. I just used Niho on him, and had my berserked Vaan helping everyone else wail on him. Fafnir and Behemoth King had far more HP.

In other news, Yiazmat actually has 50,112,245 rather than 50 million on the dot. I have a present for all of you guys who are still playing through the game, hunting rare game and marks and so on. I'll put it up later, but needless to say, it really helps (more so if you can try to understand French a little).

I was speaking idiomatically.

Hey, MS, I finished the Garif Beastiary entry. Do you want me to write it out for you?

Just for fun, I filmed myself griefing the last Adventurer, to commemorate the hunt. http://www.sendspace.com/file/t6gp1g

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

Hey, MS, I finished the Garif Beastiary entry. Do you want me to write it out for you?

Sure, go ahead, seeing as I probably won't ever see it in its entirety this century.

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Just for fun, I filmed myself griefing the last Adventurer, to commemorate the hunt. http://www.sendspace.com/file/t6gp1g

Heh, I was messing around with Baknamy in the Necrohol and Deadlands yesterday. Stop+Vanishga in the mist makes for some really bizarre looking furniture, heh.

Edit: Oh, here's the website (godly resource, IMO) I was talking about:

Rare Game List (with illustrations and spawn locations)

Hunt List (with illustrations, locations and hunt rewards)

Oh, that's also the same website where I got the Esper glyphs that'll be in my sig for the next two weeks (next week is Rank II Espers, then Rank III).

How ya doing, buddy?

I'll go ahead and type out the whole thing, in case everyone else wants to look:

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1/5

Dragons. The most feared of all creatures, yet, beyond mention in ancient tomes of their servitude to the gods in antiquity, little is known of the ecology and development of the great wyrms.

I have, in my studies, come across a certain fable concerning a god and a dragon. The stone tablet upon which it was written was only recently discovered, and though there are surely some ebellishments as might be found in any fable, I wonder with no little suirprise at its simple elegance. Perhaps. I find myself thinking, this tale has the germ of truth in it.

-Lecluse, Exegete of Tales

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In times now ancient, a Dragon was born, stronger than anything that had been before, and in time, he thought himself superior to the God that had created him. One day, he said unto Him, "I am stronger than you, God." "Very well," replied the smiling God, "then let us play a game, and we shall see which of us is the stronger."

So began the Dragon's game.

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Dragon and God agreed to three tests to see who was the strongest. "See yon mountain?" asked the God, "can you carry it here to me?" "As easily as an ant might carry a blade of grass.", the Dragon replied, and a moment later he had brought the mountain to the God's feet. "Next," the Dragon said, "it is your turn." "No," said the God, "I am not strong enough to move a mountain."

And so did the Dragon win the first test.

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The next test was also one of strength. "See there yon rock?" asked the God. "It is of the strongest stone in the world. Can you pierce it?" "As easily as a sparrow might pierce an apple in the search of the worm," the Dragon replied, and a moment later, he had opened a gaping hole in the stone. "Next," the Dragon said, "It is your turn." "No," said the God, "I am not strong enough to pierce such stone."

And so did the Dragon win the second test.

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And so they came to the final test. "See there yon magickal ring?" asked the God. "Can you pass through it?" "As easily as the ferret scampers through the warren-hole, in search of the hare," and a moment later, the Dragon's neck was through the ring. Yet the ring was too narrow for the dragon to pass through entirely. "You have tricked me," the dragon said. "I am cleverer than you," replied the smiling God.

Thus did the God with the final test, and thus did the Dragon become lesser than the God in all things.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

I'll go ahead and type out the whole thing, in case everyone else wants to look:

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Dragons. The most feared of all creatures, yet, beyond mention in ancient tomes of their servitude to the gods in antiquity, little is known of the ecology and development of the great wyrms.

I have, in my studies, come across a certain fable concerning a god and a dragon. The stone tablet upon which it was written was only recently discovered, and though there are surely some ebellishments as might be found in any fable, I wonder with no little suirprise at its simple elegance. Perhaps. I find myself thinking, this tale has the germ of truth in it.

-Lecluse, Exegete of Tales

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In times now ancient, a Dragon was born, stronger than anything that had been before, and in time, he thought himself superior to the God that had created him. One day, he said unto Him, "I am stronger than you, God." "Very well," replied the smiling God, "then let us play a game, and we shall see which of us is the stronger."

So began the Dragon's game.

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Dragon and God agreed to three tests to see who was the strongest. "See yon mountain?" asked the God, "can you carry it here to me?" "As easily as an ant might carry a blade of grass.", the Dragon replied, and a moment later he had brought the mountain to the God's feet. "Next," the Dragon said, "it is your turn." "No," said the God, "I am not strong enough to move a mountain."

And so did the Dragon win the first test.

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The next test was also one of strength. "See there yon rock?" asked the God. "It is of the strongest stone in the world. Can you pierce it?" "As easily as a sparrow might pierce an apple in the search of the worm," the Dragon replied, and a moment later, he had opened a gaping hole in the stone. "Next," the Dragon said, "It is your turn." "No," said the God, "I am not strong enough to pierce such stone."

And so did the Dragon win the second test.

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And so they came to the final test. "See there yon magickal ring?" asked the God. "Can you pass through it?" "As easily as the ferret scampers through the warren-hole, in search of the hare," and a moment later, the Dragon's neck was through the ring. Yet the ring was too narrow for the dragon to pass through entirely. "You have tricked me," the dragon said. "I am cleverer than you," replied the smiling God.

Thus did the God with the final test, and thus did the Dragon become lesser than the God in all things.

Heh, I loved that. It's either the story of how Ring Wyrms came to be, or about Yiazmat. It could be Hell Wyrm, but it doesn't click with its bestiary info, while it fits in perfectly with Yiazmat. So.. apparently the clown could talk, eh? Should've said something when he croaked. The video was great BTW, Niho+Scathe = Victory. Say, I have a video that I recorded with my camera but it ended up as a 4.5GB (!!) AVI. Do you know any converters I could use to change it to something more reasonable?

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Edit: BTW, could this "God" be another Occuria? That little twist at the end coupled with the god simply agreeing with the dragon's request sounds like an Occuria manipulating an arrogant fool.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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Heh, I loved that. It's either the story of how Ring Wyrms came to be, or about Yiazmat. It could be Hell Wyrm, but it doesn't click with its bestiary info, while it fits in perfectly with Yiazmat. So.. apparently the clown could talk, eh? Should've said something when he croaked. The video was great BTW, Niho+Scathe = Victory. Say, I have a video that I recorded with my camera but it ended up as a 4.5GB (!!) AVI. Do you know any converters I could use to change it to something more reasonable?

It has to be Yiazmat, because he is the one described the strongest Dragon, and having been created by a God, and as the one who became a threat to his creator. I guess he wasn't that much of a threat after all.

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I imagined it as being Gerun, since he is the leader of the Occuria, after all. Although I have a hard time imagining him smiling.



"Let us play a game... (you dumbass!)"

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by PiccoloNamek

It has to be Yiazmat, because he is the one described the strongest Dragon, and having been created by a God, and as the one who became a threat to his creator. I guess he wasn't that much of a threat after all.

His arrogance did him in. He didn't think things through to the end, and realize that: "Wait, this guy is a God and he can't do anything I'm doing with ease?"

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I imagined it as being Gerun, since he is the leader of the Occuria, after all. Although I have a hard time imagining him smiling.



"Let us play a game... (you dumbass!)"

Oh God, I'm saving that. Smiling with his eyes, eh?

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"Let's play!" *teehee!*

About that, they seriously look like they have no other facial features aside from their eyes.

Most amazing jew boots

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I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Lazlow

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Edited: whats the Garif Beastiary entry?

Click the spoiler button in Piccolo's post to find out, unless you'd rather earn it yourself.

I was speaking idiomatically.