X-Men 3

Originally Posted by Skexis

My question is why they didn't just get Leech near enough to just turn her off.

You know, I really thought that was how they where going to stop her while I was watching the movie, either that or the cure darts....

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Concerning the 'Cyclops may or may not be dead' topic, the odds are he is. After all, I believe Jean herself stated to Wolverine in the movie, "Kill me before I kill someone else!"

Based on how Jean tended to dissolve everyone and multiple characters bringing up how Scott is dead - including Jean herself - then yeah, he's dead. But will he remain dead? It's not out of the question. If a plot device requires it or some writer(s) manages to create a semi-intelligent reason, then he can return. Until then, I think we can safely conclude Scott is gone.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Though she does say that, she also says "I think I killed Scott." or something along those lines. So I think if an X4 is ever made, it could go either way.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Well as I pointed out before, in the comics, its seems that everyone second person dies at some point or another but gets resurrected/cloned/saved by time travel etc. Even if Cyclops is dead, he may and probably will come back (ala xavier)

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I'm not an Xmen fanatic or anything, though I did see the movie. So I'll judge it just as that.

A movie.

I thought it was fairly good. I didn't have any specific character anticipations, so "not seeing enough Colossus" didn't really affect me at all. The dialog was fairly intriguing. The character developments were few and far between, but enough to keep you caring about what was coming next. Obviously the special effects were great.

I enjoyed the uber-powerful Phoenix. I thought there should be more of Angel. I too think that Spike "porcupine boy" was pretty lame. I wish they had done more with Mystique(sp?) and her fallout with Magento, especially since she has played such a key role in the past movies.

Other than that, it was a good spring flick. What more do you expect?


Now lets see what Bryan does with Supes.

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Originally Posted by Dayvon

Other than that, it was a good spring flick. What more do you expect?

A good movie. Compared to the first two, this movie was terrible.

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Originally Posted by quazi

A good movie. Compared to the first two, this movie was terrible.

Shit, this movie was pretty much on the level of Supergirl. No, wait, at least Supergirl had Jerry Goldsmith backing it's play.

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Originally Posted by Zato-1

ok great, gonna check it, but recommend more.. also, do u know what's the last (/released) issue of Ultimate X-men?

Oh and i forgot, do u know any sites that count as good comic book resources? Anything related? Share share !!

Any sites that count as good comic book resources? Why not try CBR? That site is truly the only good place to go for comic book information. If you have questions about comics (such as good X-Men titles), register and post in the forums. I'm sure you'll get a few suggestions.

Hmm... that may have come off as a bit too advertisy. Ah well.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Shit, this movie was pretty much on the level of Supergirl.

No, I'd say it was on par with the Spider-Man Unlimited television series.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Spider-Man Unlimited was actually entertaining and had nice animation, even if it had an absolutely retarded premise. X3 has you ask why the characters and plot are fucking stupid, and doesn't have the excuse of being written for children.

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Originally Posted by Acro-nym

No, I'd say it was on par with the Spider-Man Unlimited television series.

Spider-Man Unlimited didn't betray continuity when it sucked. X3 most certainly did.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed. I was just reading where Ratner was talking about how that guy Knowles from AICN used to praise him for the "Rush Hour" movies but just seemed to turn on him out of the blue.

What's funny to me is that a lot of people complained about the lack of action in Singer's movies and they wanted an all-out mutant vs mutant power slugfest people have been clamoring since the first film. In X3 we get more action and mutant vs mutant fight and a lot of them still aren't happy.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

U know KCJ i had the Exact thought running through my head when i saw ppl's reactions to the movie..

Hell, i aint sayin he did a perfect job but for god's sake don't blame Ratner, Fox FOX FOX.. With their idiocy, no they didnt wanna pummel the franchise, they just dont know how to do it with passion AND effeciency, Ratner Obviously has Passion, but lacks professionalism, and hence efficiency..

To be honest the movie stinks of "fan-service", not saying fanservice is bad though, we still love it, but at the right time...

More requesting: PLEASE PEOPLE!! i need a site to DOWNLOAD comics , i cant buy comics since simply there is no source for them (and they cost me more eventually, since i NEVER read them from the PC, i print em on gloss paper, which costs a small fortune but is well worth it.)
Sites to download single issues mainly, since i hate torrenting an entire series only to find it boring...

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Originally Posted by KCJ506

I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed.

I think the majority of people arn't aware of the change in directors because majority of people may no attention to direcotrs other than speilberg and ridly scott if even.

Originally Posted by KCJ506

What's funny to me is that a lot of people complained about the lack of action in Singer's movies and they wanted an all-out mutant vs mutant power slugfest people have been clamoring since the first film.

I felt 2 was the perfect balance :P

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I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed.

You are retarded. I actually watched the first two movies for the first time in anticipation of this movie because I thought it would be so awesome.

I now know the truth.

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I was just reading where Ratner was talking about how that guy Knowles from AICN used to praise him for the "Rush Hour" movies but just seemed to turn on him out of the blue.

Harry Knowles is a fat fucking troglodyte that wouldn't recognize good taste after devouring the African country-sized population required to go into his buckets of Original Recipe.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

You are retarded. I actually watched the first two movies for the first time in anticipation of this movie because I thought it would be so awesome.

I now know the truth.

Holy crap dude. Lighten up. It's the truth. There were people already bashing the movie before Ratner even signed on to direct it.

People who don't like it seem to for one good reason or two somewhat lame reasons.

1.They feel it was really a bad movie overall (which is fine if thats your opinion).

or..

2.They decided they hate before they saw it because they hate Ratner and/or love Singer.

3.They are hardcore Cyclops fans and are not happy with how that one character was handled in the film.

...of course there are some other reasons but those seem to be the three biggest. I liked it for the most part (for the record).

Just wait until Superman Returns comes up and most of the X3 critics will be giving it blind praises.

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And you had your gay little montage avatar before the movie came out. Was that supposed to mean I should have expected your irrelevant defense?

How does a pre-developed bias dispute the fact that this movie was objectively bad?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

And you had your gay little montage avatar before the movie came out. Was that supposed to mean I should have expected your irrelevant defense?

How does a pre-developed bias dispute the fact that this movie was objectively bad?

Dude knock it off. I know you're a mod and all, but seriously grow the hell up. If didn't like the movie that's fine. That's your opinion You don't have to jump down my throat just because I liked it.

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No, I'm jumping down your throat because you figure that people must not like it based on arbitrary reasoning.

I was speaking idiomatically.

And I don't like the notion of being lumped in a group of critics who will praise the new Superman movie. I can't know for certain, but I don't believe I will enjoy that movie, that is if I go see it.

Back to the topic at hand. From what I've seen, a large amount of complaints are either about plot holes, the section I fall into, or about the misrepresentation or lack of certain characters in the movie. I'm sure there are exceptions, but then that's the case to almost every kind of grouping.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I don't understand what is SOOOO bad about this movie. I mean I can see how you could say "it wasn't great" or "I got kinda bored", but "this movie is terrible!!!" seems to be just overeacting. Sure, it was rushed, needed more character development, suffered some poor pay-offs from good setups, had that horrible "spike" guy. But does that negate all that it did well? The putting X's motives into question, the great bridge sequence, the surprises

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X's death, Rogue's choice, Cyclops sudden death, Mystique's curing, the "Juggernaut bitch" line

the fairly compotent Jean/Logan drama, and action sequences were good. Maybe not great but good.

I think that the comic fans just are being a touch too hard on this movie. So many expectations just can't be met. Everybody has the characters they want to see, or see "scene centered" and some of this just can't happen.

I'm not trying to chide all the people that didn't like the movie. But I am trying to say that you should judge the movie by WHAT IT IS, not necessarily what it could/should of been to your mind. I mean all of us can think up a buncha crap that (we think) would make it 20x better, but that doesn't make it a horrible movie.

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No. X-men 3 isn't a horrible movie. It's certainly no Silent Night Deadly Night Part 2.

What we're saying is that it is a dumb movie, and bad compared to its predecessors. What you fail to take into account, is that it's impossible to judge a sequel based solely on its own merits when it has to base itself on established characters and continuity. What you're doing is a lot like asking people why they didn't like Godfather Part 3.

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The putting X's motives into question, the great bridge sequence, the surprises X's death, Rogue's choice, Cyclops sudden death, Mystique's curing, the "Juggernaut bitch" line the fairly compotent Jean/Logan drama, and action sequences were good.

No. =/

All of these aspects of the movie were absolutely awful, because they failed to really go anywhere. Magneto moving the Golden Gate Bridge is a cool display of power, but displays of power do not make a movie. Do you think the Star Wars prequels were good because of the cool special effects?

Rogue's choice to get the cure is ultimately pointless becuase the cure itself is only temporary. Will she continue taking the cure like some sex-crazed addict?

Cyclops dying all of a sudden is disorientating, and insulting. It's an awful plot device because it throws away a character that is integral to the X-Men. The professor's death is also meaningless because he isn't dead. There was no sacrifice to be made, the entire affair was pointless outside of getting Wolverine to stop being Wolverine.

The Jean and Logan "drama" revolved entirely around Logan and Jean wanting to bone each other, and then culminating in Logan having to kill Phoenix. This wasn't competent, because Jean wasn't even present throughout perhaps 10 seconds of the film. What this was, was Logan drama. A conundrum specific to Wolverine, not the both of them.

It's short-sighted apologists like you that support this kind of shit. I hate people that don't understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem, and you, sir, are no exception.

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I'm not at all a fan of the comics. I've never read them. What I am a fan of however is good movies. Before I went to see this movie I heard incredible praise from nearly every source and it was at that time rated 7.9 on imdb (not that that's a good indicator of the quality of the movie, but that's still a little generous for this one), so I feel it was reasonable for me to assume that it would be as good if not better than the first 2.

In my eyes the first two were good movies, the third was not. it's that simple.

The great bridge sequence? Are you serious?

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Why the fuck did Magneto move the Golden Gate Bridge? Couldn't he have just made those metallic saucers as he did in X-Men 2 and move everyone across? Surprises don't make things good. The Jean portion of the movie was the only thing I really liked. The action in the final battle just seemed completely cheesy to me, perhaps mostly because Magneto's huge army sucked ass.

I'm judging it in comparison to the first two, something I find quite fair because it's a trilogy. I judge a movie based on whether I enjoy watching it. As I said before, with this movie I felt like I was watching one of the cheesey Mystery Science Theater 3000 movies and I did not enjoy it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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The bridge scene and the climactic action sequence were quite bad. Why move the whole bridge? Why not move just part of it, enough so that all the minions are standing when it's put down? Why the shift in time? If you know your back flank is going to be exposed, as it was, why connect the bridge to land allowing any number of troops to come in? Why does Phoenix wait so long to do anything? She appears to hate all things. If she's just letting the two groups limit the amount of work she has to do, doesn't that make her lazy? Why do all of those mutants jump several feet into the air? Are the all wearing metal and thus being thrown by Magneto?

The thing with Rogue was pointless, considering it's not permanent. But more importantly, her choice made me lose respect for her, something I don't like doing in relation to protagonists. And the whole thing with the deaths? Cyclops's doesn't make sense. There are no telekinetic powers involved there. Xavier's lacks the right emotion. If the scene had been done correctly, I would have had some amount of sadness when I saw him die. Mystique being cured also has problems, though more important problems occurred just before it. Why does her hair change color? Did she does decide to shape-change to make it look red? Why?

The Jean/Logan thing wasn't competent. It was two scenes, with Jean only showing up long enough, practically, to say "Kill me." And both scenes focused on Logan's care for Jean, not the other way around. In fact, I'm not sure if I saw any return loving emotion from Jean at all, possibly due to her large absence.

I would like to point out that I am basing the movie on what it is. If I take the movie separately from the other two, that makes the who Jean resurrection thing a bit more believable, but a large amount of the problems are, well, still problems.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

It's short-sighted apologists like you that support this kind of shit. I hate people that don't understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem, and you, sir, are no exception.

Do you think the Star Wars prequels were good because of the cool special effects?

First of all, I'm not an apologist. Second, I don't support this *shit* because I don't think it is shit. Third, I do understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem (which is why I took the time to copy the THX mastered VHS to DVD digital-format because their wasn't going to be original Star Wars movies on DVD). Fourthly, no the Star Wars prequels sucked for many reasons (dialog and poorly directed scenes being the chief offendors), special effects not being one of those.

Honestly though I just watched X2 a day ago, and there are similar problems in that. Pyro is a pretty "whiny" dead character. Magneto ask him "what can you do?" just like he does in X3. Wolverine drama is again, the "only" drama. Rogue/Iceman drama is not compotent. Cyclops is a "dead" character. As for the "not making sense", how about how Jean dies? She can turn the plane on and hover it when she is outside the plane, yet she couldn't do the same thing from inside it?

I mean honestly if you get really picky you can tear most movies that are these action/drama/fantasy combinations apart because they don't master any of the genres that they dip into. X3 is no-exception to this. Very imperfect to be sure. But enjoyable, yes it is. And that is why I wasn't disappointed by my $7 investment. Because I watched, smiled, felt, and laughed (Juggernaut bitch specifically).

Again, to me, you guys are expecting too much from a movie that tries to be all things to all people, and guess what? It won't be so dont be so disappointed.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Acro-nym

Why does her hair change color?

Probably the same answer to "Why does her skin change color?"; it's not that big of a stretch.

The largest problem of this movie was the fact that they essentially replaced Cyclops with Wolverine as love angst guy, something that completely ignores the basic personality of Wolverine. Jean's love for Cyclops over Wolverine was already well-established in the last two movies, so it makes absolutely no sense to not have Cyclops be love angst guy as a logical plot progression. "I do it for you!"

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