X-Men 3

Well, I don't really take that as a good answer. Blue is not a natural skin color, an outward sign of being a mutant. Red, though, is a natural hair color.

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I've noticed a lot of people complaining about X3 not following the comics when there are movies that didn't follow the comics storylines and a lot of people still liked them. It's okay for the Joker to kill Bruce Wayne's parents or Superman to build his Fortress by throwing a crystal into some snow, but when a modern movie deviates we get relentless complaining.

This is driving me crazy how a lot of people are so pissed off about X-3 not following the comics, when X-2 didn't and X-1 didn't but they were great.. and Batman Begins OBVIOUSLY ignored everything that had to do with the comics and yet people love that movie so I'm confused on that part.

Why are people singling Ratner out for the changes in this movie? For example people are complaining that Juggernaut was a mutant in the movie when he wasn't in the comics: Why weren't there similar complaints about Deathstrike laid at Singer during X2 (she was a human who became a cyborg in efforts to kill wolverine because she wanted his adamantium which she DID NOT HAVE, and she didn't have a healing factor either)?

So they didn't make references between Juggernaut and Xavier being stepbrothers, Singer ignored the fact that Wolverine and Sabertooth actually knew each other before Logan got involved with the X-Men, or the fact that Singer NEVER made any connection between Rogue and Mystique (who was a foster mother to Rogue in the comics) or even the fact that Mystique was Nightcrawler's mother in X2? Or the fact that Jean Grey was a doctor in the first X-Men, Bobby was not a child in training when Logan joined the X-Men (he was an original X-Man) and supposed to be from the South? Or that Mystique was never a flunkie for Magneto, and Striker wasn't a U.S Soldier, etc. I find that hypocritical.

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I think the a lot of the biggest complaints at this point are do to it being inconsistant with the feel and overall quality of the previous movies. Admittedly that's bound to happen with a new director and rushed release but that still isn't going to make anyone happy with it. After all while I've heard lots of minor gripes about the previous movies for not following the comics most everyone seems to agree that they're at least decent enough movies. Not so much with this one.

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I saw this yesterday. I enjoyed it. The acting was certainly better than the first one. Maybe i'm too forgiving when it comes to movies, but i enjoyed each moment of this movie. It's deffinetly not my favourite comic to movie adaptation though. That's all i'll say right now cause i don't feel like getting in on an argument at the moment.

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Originally Posted by CetteHamsterLa

I think the a lot of the biggest complaints at this point are do to it being inconsistant with the feel and overall quality of the previous movies.

I'm gonna hafta go with this reason as my biggest beef with The Last Stand. I just watched the first two movies back-to-back earlier today and there was a natural transition between the two. There's just something missing between the second and third movies; I bet you that Bryan Singer had something up his sleeve for part three, and then Superman Returns called. That's just how it feels to me.

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I've noticed a lot of people complaining about X3 not following the comics when there are movies that didn't follow the comics storylines and a lot of people still liked them.

Irrelevant. Simply because other movies have gotten away with it because they were actually good movies does not make your strawman any more legitimate. It's not simply a matter of it not following the comics, it's a matter of them not having the same characters.

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I find that hypocritical.

What, you think people didn't complain about that at the time of their release? The difference here is that people will remember X3's continuity errors with more enthusiasm because this movie was just dumb. Plain and simple.

Sacrifices have to be made in order to forge a consistant narrative within a 2 hour timeframe. We can't expect Rogue to be from the South, or Mystique to be Nightcrawler's momma. These concerns are rendered meaningless by the story that Singer was able to tell, and the fact that he actually got the characters right. Neither things can be said for the current iteration, but looking at context seems to be something you apologists are never able to accomplish when it comes to defending your blind fandom.

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First of all, I'm not an apologist.

You are an apologist. You've attempted to roll over all the elements that made this film bad by trying to highlight the stuff that you think is good. Essentially attempting to apologize for what makes this movie awful by saying that there were a few good parts. You are an apologist.

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Third, I do understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem

It doesn't matter if you do or not. It's an allegorical example of people that don't see the big deal in continuity errors.

As for your "problems" with X-men 2.

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Pyro is a pretty "whiny" dead character. Magneto ask him "what can you do?" just like he does in X3.

Pyro is supposed to be a whiny character. He has to be angsty about not being allowed to demonstrate his powers to the fullest. He has a feeling that the X-men are just holding him back, a feeling that Magneto fuels and then capitalizes upon. He's Pyro, he's supposed to be hotheaded.

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Wolverine drama is again, the "only" drama.

Simply because the focus of the movie ties in with Wolverine does not make it his "drama." Wolverine has a subplot that the movie dedicates a lot of time to, sure, but the actual focus of the movie, on his unrequited affections for Jean and her devotion to Scott is a drama that involves multiple characters. Cyclops included. While he may not have had a lot of screentime, his presence and interactions form an actual function to the film's plot, and his sudden dissapearance isn't treated as an afterthought.

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As for the "not making sense", how about how Jean dies? She can turn the plane on and hover it when she is outside the plane, yet she couldn't do the same thing from inside it?

I don't think you understand how much force is behind a motherfucking dam rupture, but suffice it to say that it sure is a Hell of a lot. Jean is no Pheonix, and while she may have been capable of manipulating the X-Wing, she was incapable of manipulating thousands of tons of liquid force without applying a counter psychic force directly to help shield the X-wing. Limitations to character powers is something that seems to have been forgotten in X3, though. Which is why I suppose you find it so enjoyable. Don't have to thinking so hard. =/

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Again, to me, you guys are expecting too much from a movie that tries to be all things to all people, and guess what? It won't be so dont be so disappointed.

"Why are fans of an established franchise dissapointed with a sequel that doesn't appeal to them in a manner that initiated their fandom? It is a mystery."

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I think having seen the movie 2 times now that X3 is a good movie, but it doesn't have the panache that Singer could have given it. Its too short a movie too to end the saga! There's nothing wrong basically with the movie, it just doesn't sting like X2, I was afraid Ratner couldn't deliver like Singer and I was right. Ah well, I just hope these sub movies don't suck, Wolverine and Magneto deserve way more then lousy spin offs as Elektra and alike!

Oh yeah, and Powell's music rocked big time

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Isn't there a contract signed and dated promising 7 X-Men movies? I dunno, i heard it from knkwzrd.

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Originally Posted by Helloween

Isn't there a contract signed and dated promising 7 X-Men movies? I dunno, i heard it from knkwzrd.

I'm not entirely sure but if it's true then it'll include the spinoffs too for Wolverine and Magneto. Right now though Fox has no plans for a X-Men 4 in the future and the before mentioned Wolverine/Magneto spinoffs will fill it's place for 2008/9 slots.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Simo

Right now though Fox has no plans for a X-Men 4 in the future

FOX confirmed X4 mere days after X3's opening.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

With all the spinoffs they have planned we probably won't be getting X4 until at least 2010.

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Originally Posted by KCJ506

With all the spinoffs they have planned we probably won't be getting X4 until at least 2010.

I don't see how that has to do with anything. The spinoffs wouldn't be made by the same director or production teams, most likely.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

FOX confirmed X4 mere days after X3's opening.

They did? I had read something about Tom Rothman saying there would be a fourth film after X3's big opening weekend on the MovieBlog I think it was but then Dark Horizons had a statement from Avi Arad stating there would be no X4:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060530h.php

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With "X-Men: The Last Stand" opening big at the box-office, speculation quickly arose that a fourth "X-Men" film may be rushed into development. The talk came despite the studios insistence that 'The Last Stand' would be the final film in the trilogy.

Well Fox are sticking to their guns, but Marvel head Avi Arad confirmed that there are no plans for an "X-Men 4" in the works, but their two proposed spin-off films are still very much on the cards.

Arad told the trades that "The first reaction, which we should discard, is here comes 'X-Men 4'. We're working on 'Wolverine,' which is definitely a continuation, and we have a very interesting script about a young Magneto".

Will Fox change their tune and pressure him for a fourth? Seems unlikely due to the expense involved. In many ways it now seems that "Wolverine" will serve as the unofficial fourth film sometime either in 2008 or 2009.

I fuck up in my wording in my previous post it seems but it's still unclear if X4 is getting the go ahead. Then again didn't Avi Arad just resign from Marvel? I'd imagine they might take a different stance on whether they decide to go along with a fourth film with Arad gone?

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Avi's position is a strange one. He's still connected to all the Marvel movie properties, but as a third-party entitity now. Time will tell how much controll he has over future projects.

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X4? Ya, ok. They've screwed the future of the series over with the horrible third film. Well, no, they haven't - but if they continue with the same level of quality as the third film, then the series is doomed. They should just hire some of the better comic book writers to make stories for the films.

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Originally Posted by Mucknuggle

They should just hire some of the better comic book writers to make stories for the films.

What, you mean like they did for the Robocop sequels? Great idea!

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Who better to interpret Frank Miller's vision than writers that aren't Frank Miller?

Getting X-Men writers to write an X-men movie would still be a bad idea. Comic writers are by and large awful when it comes to writing something interesting.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Getting X-Men writers to write an X-men movie would still be a bad idea. Comic writers are by and large awful when it comes to writing something interesting.

Truely. That would be like hiring people on the internet to write pretty much anything.

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Doesn't it also ignore the fact that comics and films are entirely different media to write for? Comic books essentially give you as much time to explain your fanfiction plot and can be read through quickly. If people had problems with the Architect scene in Matrix Reloaded, they're not going to accept a movie with talking heads for three hours.

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I never said that they should write the script, they should just write a story for the screenwriters to adapt. Oh wait, we already have tons of good stories for them to use. Just get Whedon to write the films. He's currently writing a good X-Men book (Astonishing) and he has experience with TV. I'm sure that he could write a good film if he tried.

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Am I the only one who thinks that Multiple Man should have gotten more screentime. I clearly remember early set reports stating that there was gonna be a fight between Wolverine and Multiple Man. WTF happened?!

It would be a cool fight because it would allow Wolverine to kill him dozens of times, it would be violent but neverending. Also I thought in the forest scene he was gonna fight Madrox, I was expecting him to randomly kill a dupe, then kill another. Finally after a few I thought he would say something like " Haven't I killed you like 5 times already?"

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I'm glad he didn't. Multiple man is a rather stupid character with a power that is too unrealistic. While this might sound silly, making copies of yourself that are wearing the same clothes you are currently wearing is not as unbelievable healing quickly.

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Right, because it's the clothes that are important. Not several copies with the exact same biomass, biological functions, and energy usage.

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Multiple Man should have his own movie where you see the amount of trouble him and himselves get into.If I remember correctly he sent plenty of himselves over to the East to learn different martial art styles so he could merge back with them to be an instant martial arts master.

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That would be the worst movie ever.
Seriously, what kind of interesting history could the man possibly get? He's a one-dimensional (joke unintended) bad-guy.

I was speaking idiomatically.