Did you move out yet?

Originally Posted by Zip

Never understood that taking rents from their kids (unless the family really needs it) and kicking them out shit.

I understand living at home for free when you're a student or whatever, but past a certain age, kids should be paying rent to their parents.

At least that's how I see it.

I know some parents who've let their entire. brood. come live back at home because the kids are just too lazy to get their asses some income. It's easier to just have your mom baby you for the rest of your life, even when you've got kids of your own, apparently.

Seriously. Three kids, one house, one parent, all kids over the age of 25 (one in their mid-30s), all kids completely capable of working, all kids bringing the boyfriend/girlfriend over, some to live in the house.

There have got to be limits. Every one of those kids should be paying rent. I don't understand it at all. I guess whatever money they earn at their part-time pizza delivery jobs they spend on cigarettes and gasoline each week.

Ugh. Pisses me off just thinking about it.

Meanwhile, Midna's parents seem to have taken the opposite extreme. I know some of those parents, too. "Congratulations, you graduated high school. Hand over your key." The couple of people I knew who got treated like this actually turned out to be awesome, hard-working kids who've done very well since their kick-outs.

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There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

past a certain age, kids should be paying rent to their parents.

I think this really depends on the situation. If your kid is legitimately trying to get him or herself off the parental teet then I think living there for free is fine. If they're being lazy slobs who aren't amounting to shit, then rent should be charged as a way to light a fire under their asses.

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LOL given their ages too. God damn. I've never seen anyone older than 40 ever LIVE back at home with their mother outside of my own family. >.< As far as I know, as right now, I know my uncle's still over there. Without a job as long as I could remember. :\

My aunt moved out because she got married for the 6th time. Only one out of five (grandma's kids) was successful at life, the rest pretty much FAIL.

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:/

I'm a 21 year old high school dropout with no job. Still live at home with my parents, never lived away from home for anything more than a week, when I was at my brother's dad's house cleaning it up a bit. I don't pay rent or anything either. Basically, my step-dad would love to get me out of the house, but my mother won't let him kick me out.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get my GED, a job, driver's license and car, and get my ass out in the work force, but it's hard to even get the funds to start that little journey when you've never had a job and have no experience...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Lyth

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I'm a 21 year old high school dropout with no job. Still live at home with my parents, never lived away from home for anything more than a week, when I was at my brother's dad's house cleaning it up a bit. I don't pay rent or anything either. Basically, my step-dad would love to get me out of the house, but my mother won't let him kick me out.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get my GED, a job, driver's license and car, and get my ass out in the work force, but it's hard to even get the funds to start that little journey when you've never had a job and have no experience...

I'm sorry, but what the fuck, man? You are 21 years old and just pissing your life away. Time goes by fast. If you sit on your ass and make excuses why you can't start your life you're going to find yourself middle-aged and wondering what the hell happened. It's no fucking joke. If you don't have the money to pay for getting your GED, then get your ass out there and find a way to earn money. It's spring and there are a whole lot of people needing yard work/home repairs/painting/etc done and if you put any effort into it I am positive you could earn some money creating a job for yourself.

Get off your ass and get your education and do something with yourself.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Zip

sometimes i like being a persian lol, my mom keeps my room the same way it was when i left. Even though they are redoing the entire second floor they are stillputting my bed back and shit, wouldnt be surprised if my old south park posters go up too.

I can move back anytime really. Never understood that taking rents from their kids (unless the family really needs it) and kicking them out shit. It's your seed, no other responsibility comes close to that. Not saying i want to go home because it wont work out, need my space but it's always an option for me. <3 mom and dad

Hahahahaha, pretty much as soon as I moved out my room was renovated into an office. I'm actually glad about that though, get rid of the fucking thing, sell the goddamn house already. They want to downsize since two kids have flown the nest now and they're not earning much at all.

My parents ruled with my brothers that they had to pay rent if they were staying in the house and earning money over the age of 18, which I think is fair enough considering they both probably earn more than my mother at the very least, and besides, with all of us there it totalled up to 5 mouths to feed. Neither of them stayed in education longer than the age of 17, both went for full-time employment.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Lyth

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I'm a 21 year old high school dropout with no job. Still live at home with my parents, never lived away from home for anything more than a week, when I was at my brother's dad's house cleaning it up a bit. I don't pay rent or anything either. Basically, my step-dad would love to get me out of the house, but my mother won't let him kick me out.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get my GED, a job, driver's license and car, and get my ass out in the work force, but it's hard to even get the funds to start that little journey when you've never had a job and have no experience...

Go sell bodily fluids -> get GED -> get license -> get job -> get car -> ??? -> profit!

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Was 19 when I moved out of Mom's house into my Uncle's house in Oregon. I stuck around for two years, essentially in the same situation, no rent that is. I graduated culinary school and did my internship in DC where I lived with someone I met on Craigslist.

Of course, this guy was insane and the cost of living in DC, even in the poorest areas, is extremely difficult. I met my girlfriend there and have since moved to Pittsburgh, still away from Mom, although she does give me a couple bucks here and there. I think I did my Mom a service by opening up my room for boarders since the cost of living in LA is pretty outrageous even for someone making what most would consider a great wage.

I guess if my relationship suddenly fell apart, I lost my job, and I was in a strange place with no other friends or family I'd move back to LA with my Mom, but it's pretty fun living as the master of your domain, or at least sharing your domain with a significant other. I'm pretty used to it, I'm about three and a half years of independence.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Midna

I'm sorry, but what the fuck, man? You are 21 years old and just pissing your life away. Time goes by fast. If you sit on your ass and make excuses why you can't start your life you're going to find yourself middle-aged and wondering what the hell happened. It's no fucking joke. If you don't have the money to pay for getting your GED, then get your ass out there and find a way to earn money. It's spring and there are a whole lot of people needing yard work/home repairs/painting/etc done and if you put any effort into it I am positive you could earn some money creating a job for yourself.

Get off your ass and get your education and do something with yourself.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

Like I haven't TRIED getting a job or finding work? In the area that I live, people, even the elderly, take care of their own lawns and houses, or they take advantage of living in a shit state that has no money and hire professionals to come and and do it for cheap. Now, I do make a BIT of money fixing computers, but it's in small amounts, and it's not very frequent, but it does add up. Hopefully sometime next month I'll have enough money for my GED, but even getting that isn't going to help me much with no work experience, especially not when all actual jobs around here have requirements that I don't meet.

I assure you that I'm not thrilled with my life as it is. I'm pissed off that I've been stuck wasting so much time saving small bits of cash here and there so I can move on with my life and get myself an education that enables me to get a job, but what can I do other than wait while saving my money until that day comes? Look for more work maybe? I'm checking the online services for my state every day with no luck. Every Sunday I check the paper, never any luck. I'm doing all I CAN do to make money right now, but trust when I say I'm trying to keep myself from " pissing my life away. " At the very least, I know how important education is, and though I'm not in any classes or school currently, I do still try to keep some new things coming my way. My brothers and friends let me read through their college text books when they're not using them. I mean, it's not really a substitute for actual classes, but at least it's doing SOMETHING productive education wise.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Lyth

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I'm a 21 year old high school dropout with no job. Still live at home with my parents, never lived away from home for anything more than a week, when I was at my brother's dad's house cleaning it up a bit. I don't pay rent or anything either. Basically, my step-dad would love to get me out of the house, but my mother won't let him kick me out.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get my GED, a job, driver's license and car, and get my ass out in the work force, but it's hard to even get the funds to start that little journey when you've never had a job and have no experience...

Everyone is born with no work experience. Most people start off with cheesy jobs to get the experience they need to get better jobs and more money. It's a slow process and you had better get started soon because you're already about 4 years behind your peers. You're hardly in a catch-22, getting a job is the first step and it isn't that hard if you are persistent and start at the bottom like most folks in your shoes.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Lyth

:/

I'm a 21 year old high school dropout with no job. Still live at home with my parents, never lived away from home for anything more than a week, when I was at my brother's dad's house cleaning it up a bit. I don't pay rent or anything either. Basically, my step-dad would love to get me out of the house, but my mother won't let him kick me out.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to get my GED, a job, driver's license and car, and get my ass out in the work force, but it's hard to even get the funds to start that little journey when you've never had a job and have no experience...

So, like, how do you eat? How do you have fun? Do you bum cigarettes from bums for fun? I'm not seeing how you even get online.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Lyth, what I'm not understanding is why you have no experience at 21. How old were you when you dropped out of high school? A lot of people start getting jobs at that age, and since you weren't in class it seems that would have been THE time to get some sort of employment. Have you tried applying for fast food or retail jobs? That's where most people start when they're just trying to get some sort of experience.

Also, why the HELL did your parents allow you to drop out at all?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Encephalon

So, like, how do you eat? How do you have fun? Do you bum cigarettes from bums for fun? I'm not seeing how you even get online.

Well, as I said up there, I still live at home with my parents. They kind of buy the food here, and pay for internet. For my cigarettes, my friends smoke, as do my parents. So I just kind of bum them usually, or my parents will buy me a pack when I do work around the house for them. For example, I'm doing work on the basement this week. Scraping old paint off the walls, sanding, repainting and all that fun shit. For helping out, they bought me a pack of cigarettes, and I'm going to be able to drill a hold through the floor so I can get internet in the basement, which is where my room is. They'd pay me, but we're kind of strapped for cash at the moment.

Originally Posted by Rasputina

Everyone is born with no work experience. Most people start off with cheesy jobs to get the experience they need to get better jobs and more money. It's a slow process and you had better get started soon because you're already about 4 years behind your peers. You're hardly in a catch-22, getting a job is the first step and it isn't that hard if you are persistent and start at the bottom like most folks in your shoes.

I've applied at video stores, fast food places, grocery stores, Computer Repair stores, gas stations, drug stores, bars, and just about every place in between. I follow up on turning in my application by coming in about 3 days to a week later to talk to them and ask them if they've had a chance to look at my application. I go out once every couple months and do my normal rounds of getting applications for every place I can, filling them out, then going and turning them all in at their respective places. When I go in to get the application, and when I turn them in, I make sure that I'm dressed nicely, clean shaven, and as presentable and professional as possible. Oh, I should probably add that I've been doing this since I was 15. Yeah, and still no job. I keep trying though, which is all I really can do at this point. Like I said though, hopefully next month I'll finally have enough money to go and get my GED. My brother's dad has said that if I can pass the tests and get my GED, then he'll help me pay for my Driver license and first car.

At the very least though, I'm TRYING to work towards what I have to do so I can move on with my life. At least I'm doing that rather than doing absolutely nothing about it.

Originally Posted by Midna

Lyth, what I'm not understanding is why you have no experience at 21. How old were you when you dropped out of high school? A lot of people start getting jobs at that age, and since you weren't in class it seems that would have been THE time to get some sort of employment. Have you tried applying for fast food or retail jobs? That's where most people start when they're just trying to get some sort of experience.

Also, why the HELL did your parents allow you to drop out at all?

I've never been able to get a job. I've tried and tried, but never was able to get one. I was 18 when I left school, and I kind of left on a sour note. I guess you could say that it was half me dropping out, half me getting kicked out. Fast food jobs have been all filled here for quite a while. I mean, there HAVE been openings, but by the time I've heard about them and get up there, someone's taken the spot already. Retail jobs pop up every now and then, but someone with work experience always gets the job over me. Like I said though, I was 18, and it's not like they could really do anything about it other than yell at me or be disappointed with my choice. I tried re-enrolling the next year at the alternative high school in my area, but I found that I was not allowed back in ANY school in that district after I had left. After I realized I wasn't allowed back, that's when I started putting bits of money away when I could so I could afford my GED testing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Why did you drop out of school (seeing that you can get to places to apply for these jobs)? Most kids dropped out to work by then (you know, they had a job to go to before they drop out).

FELIPE NO

You haven't even been able to get a service industry job? Really?

I'm was a fucking bum (literally) for three years, finally decided to do something and now I'm a bartender. You can always find a service industry job, turnover is incredble so they're always looking for more people. You might not be able to get behind the bar right away, but there's nothing wrong with starting as a busboy or server, especially with zero work experience.

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Lyth, that's really too bad. It sounds like you've learned a really hard lesson. Have you checked into what financial aid you might be able to get to help you with your GED and community college? if your family is struggling financially I'd think you would qualify for at least your class fees to be waived. Books can be really expensive but, at least here, at the community college level the professors will leave a copy in the library for students to borrow for a short time. It's not ideal, but it's better to have to make a bunch of annoying trips to campus than to not get the education credits at all.

I do wish you luck.

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Lyth, join the military, dude. It's a job, and even more than that, they will send your ass to school if you want to go.

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Originally Posted by Philia

Why did you drop out of school (seeing that you can get to places to apply for these jobs)? Most kids dropped out to work by then (you know, they had a job to go to before they drop out).

There were a few reasons and complications that caused my departure from the school. I was enrolled in a program called " Novanet " at my school. It's supposed to let you do work at " Your own pace. " It works by giving you a pretest to your courses. The pretest will encompass everything that you would cover during that course. If you failed certain sections, it would then assign you work based on what you failed. So if you had trouble with fractions in math, and only fractions, then the only modules you would and lessons based on fractions. After you finished those, you would take a final exam. If you passed that, you'd tell the teacher and they'd send an e-mail to the office of the school letting them know that you completed a course, and the office would mark on your file that you completed that course. I had 2 Math classes, 6 English classes, and a History class to complete before I could graduate. I started with the math courses, and got through them in about a few days. Then I decided to start on the English work. I did the pretests in all of them, and scored high enough to where I could just take the final exam for each one. I completed 6 English courses in a day, but they refused to give me the credits, and said that I needed to spend at least 30 hours in each " class " in order for it to be credited. Obviously if you need to spend so much time, then it obviously isn't " work at your own pace " but it was weird that they'd say that to me, especially after completing my math courses without spending 30 hours in them. I don't know, just seemed like they were fucking with me at that point.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm the victim there completely, because I wasn't some wonderful student or anything. In fact, now that I look back on it, I was a complete prick, and a disrespectful little fuck to the teachers, so if they were doing it to me specifically, then I probably deserved it.

Originally Posted by Fresh Frank

You haven't even been able to get a service industry job? Really?

I'm was a fucking bum (literally) for three years, finally decided to do something and now I'm a bartender. You can always find a service industry job, turnover is incredble so they're always looking for more people. You might not be able to get behind the bar right away, but there's nothing wrong with starting as a busboy or server, especially with zero work experience.

I live in an area with a really bad job market. If you get a job here, you hold onto it for as long as you can, or until something better comes along, and then someone else takes the job after you leave and does the same thing. There are a few bars that go through people at a decent speed, but I'm always either late in hearing about it and applying, or, once again, is more experienced and gets the job over me.

Originally Posted by Alice

Lyth, join the military, dude. It's a job, and even more than that, they will send your ass to school if you want to go.

Heart Condition. I tried last year for the Army and Navy but I was denied for it. I never thought that being honest about my medical history could get me denied so quickly. I might try to enlist in the National Guard or something if I can't get my life on track by next year though. They MAY let me in.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I don't agree with the military as being your escape. Hell, some people on this very forum entered the military in hopes of getting a free education and better job prospects, and have not since seen those things returned with any ease.

If you have a hard time finding a job in the service industry, I promise you'll have no stamina to fight the military for what you need. You WILL eventually get free school... if you know what you're doing, and you're determined. But in my opinion, the military preys on people like yourself.

I don't understand your circumstances, though. I have never understood those circumstances, and I have some very close people to me who are in the same dire straits.

I've been piss-broke before. And I mean so broke that I had no money for even fast food. I was counting pennies. I'd pray for a snowstorm so I could make $5 shoveling out a drive way, rake leaves, anything for a break.

You seem like you can read and write English fairly well. That right away means you've got a head start on some of the people out there applying for jobs. You have to lower your standards, and you have to suck it up. You're 21. Time is ticking.

Networking, I find, is pretty important, especially for those of us who have no formal education. If you know people, and you have a good rapport, you can find good opportunities. You need to be a social kind of person for this, though... I get the feeling you're not very social, no?

Also (oh god denicalis is going to come in here and slam me so hard), have you considered the TRADES?

Formal education isn't always the path for everyone. The trades are just as important (and I find often undervalued) in this society as anything. Explore your options, and use what you love as guidance. Don't lock yourself into a classroom and/or academia because you feel like there's no other option. There are always options... you just need to WANT them.

Meanwhile, stop making so many excuses for yourself. Getting a job isn't a RIGHT. It's a COMPETITION. You need to outshine the guy in front of you and the guy in back of you. Do what it takes to get that job at Store XYZ. Stay on top of it. Be disciplined. There is no retail job too small or too stupid. If they pay you, you will take it.

YOU CAN DO IT.

((Edit: Before I get jumped on, that last paragraph should be considered in light of the economy. So yea. I know there is NOTHING out there right now, and what IS out there is getting scooped up by people who would likely have more experience. So forgive me on that front. STILL, BE VIGILANT! You never know! And network like a madman, would you))

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Since the college I wanted to go to was in the same town I lived in all my life, it was a no brainer living at home. I did help out and pay a variation of rent but nothing too major.

Of course, once I graduated, I decided not only to move out of the house, but the country as well.

Things went rather well living on my own. Granted, the terms of my contract provided me a house, water, heat, amongst other things. The only bills I had were my Internet, phone, cell and my student loan.

That doesn't mean I didn't ask for advice. I asked all the time.

In regards to Lyth, perhaps you can forcefully (but not too forcefully) get your resume out to every place you can find. Even if they aren't looking, by getting your resume out, they might think "Hey, now that I think about it, I do need someone" or if they need to hire someone new think "Hey, this guy did give me a resume recently.". It's worth a shot.

But I agree, go get your GED, then go to a community college. See if that college has a relationship with a large university. Some will let you graduate from a community college for a two year degree, then move onto a university for a four year degree.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Alice

Lyth, join the military, dude. It's a job...

Wh... what... I don't even...

Look... The problem with the military as an option is that it's pretty disingenuous in its tactics. Every branch of the military trolls malls and campuses in sub-poverty areas with the ruse of making it rain money for school and "prospects for the future", tell kids that they're basically signing up for supervised paintball on weekends and within six months the poor bastards wind up in Kandahar.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Lyth: I don't know, something about your story sounds like bullshit. I've been in a situation where, even gainfully employed, I couldn't hang onto a dime from the start of the month to the end; I was a cashier immediately after college. I had huge credit card bills before. But I've never heard of anybody who couldn't scrape together $100 for a GED after months of trying. McDonalds is always hiring; there is always turnover. There's field work that can be done; you could even beg your frends' parents to do menial labor for little pay. Pity jobs.

Also: Bay City Jobs | Bay City Careers | Employment in Bay City, MI I saw some cashier and sales associates jobs in here.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

((Edit: Before I get jumped on, that last paragraph should be considered in light of the economy. So yea. I know there is NOTHING out there right now, and what IS out there is getting scooped up by people who would likely have more experience. So forgive me on that front. STILL, BE VIGILANT! You never know! And network like a madman, would you))

In shitty jobs? Not really. Like, I don't know if McDonalds cares much, but nobody wants to hire a person who is suspiciously too well-trained for a position; he'll just leave at the first opportunity. This doesn't apply to Lyth's situation and I hope he doesn't listen to this.

FELIPE NO

Devo - I don't think Lyth is lying, I just think he's gotten himself into a bad situation and is allowing himself to wallow in self-pity instead of fighting his way out. He needs a kick in the ass, and a push toward bettering himself.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by a_lurker

In shitty jobs? Not really. Like, I don't know if McDonalds cares much, but nobody wants to hire a person who is suspiciously too well-trained for a position; he'll just leave at the first opportunity. This doesn't apply to Lyth's situation and I hope he doesn't listen to this.

Look. I'm just sayin'. I don't want people all up in my face because I'm all WHY CAN'T YOU GET A JOB, KID?! YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE! The economy is shit, and you're right about McDonald's and all, but I don't want to hear about what a heartless bitch I am.

I actually kinda think a lot of it is bullshit too. Pity me, excuse me, blah blah blah. I've heard a LOT of that shit before from many, many people. Not saying he actually is lying, I'm just not pushing it.

At least Devo can own up and be honest. (And I'm pretty sure you're still in school, aren't you Devo?)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I guess I technically moved out 3 years ago when I started going to college, but I've come home for breaks. This summer, I'll be in SF interning. I don't really anticipate moving back home after I graduate. Hopefully I'll get a job off the bat somewhere far so I have no choice but to move out. My family has a history of just staying home, and I kind of want to break that vicious cycle.

There's nowhere I can't reach.