Next GFF PBP RPG. Exalted or Shadowrun? YOU decide.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

Pang. I have to teach you the real spells at some point. Remind me later, or I'll forget.

USE THE MAGIC BUTTON.

How ya doing, buddy?

You know, the best part about that comic is that Elfstar is both a cleric and a wizard. Also, she jumps into some sort of Lovecraftian dimension when she's inducted.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

You've never heard of dual-classing?

Psh. Noob.

This is why we'll never train you into a REAL magic user.

And why am I talking like Pang?

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You're getting into character as GM. DUH.


"I blind the monster with my light ray."

"THE THIEF DIDN'T FIND THE POISON TRAP."

"Bitch, that has nothing to do with my action. The fuck's your problem?"

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

In a temporary skirmish of seriousness....which RPG is easier to learn and play?

FELIPE NO

Although I have nothing but contempt for Exalted, it's almost certainly easier to learn than Shadowrun. It would have to be.

I tried building a Shadowrun character (basic smooth-talker/pistolero guy) back when Deni first proposed this in June/July. I got as far as buying equipment and trying to account for how much rent I was paying for my living quarters that I threw my hands up in despair. I love Shadowrun, I do, I love the setting and I've never read an adventure synopsis that didn't seem awesome but the sheer depth of some things is just insane. Some systems have a class that's a "smart guy". Shadowrun demands you specifically be good at "Languages [Asian (Chinese <Han Dialect {Orcish variations}>)]", and that's one skill out of like 5 or 6.

I reiterate that it's an awesome game but everyone should be prepared to spend an alarming amount of time thinking about what kind of poetry their character likes and whether or not they're good at preparing sushi.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Zephyrin

In a temporary skirmish of seriousness....which RPG is easier to learn and play?

Well, there is much less depth to Exalted. ShadowRun is a completely different animal from D&D, whereas Exalted has a lot in common with it. There's a lot more to keep track of in SR. Your ammo, your damage boxes, Line of Sight, distance... it reflects that a crazy firefight is distracting and hard to concentrate during.

Exalted would be simpler, as for what's easier to learn? You'll survive longer to figure out the rules in Exalted. ShadowRun a lot of the time you learn by dying. But it will have much faster turn over than Exalted. People will die in SR. Regularly. SR will also have more stealth and round-about ways of dealing with situations. The firefight is often a last option, whereas in Exalted if you can't convince it, you can often destroy it. Or wink it out of existence. Whichever.

So, coming back to your question: ShadowRun will require a little more knowledge from the players, just based on setting. Understanding your surroundings is pretty key to the whole success thing. You are who you know and all that.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

I have nothing but contempt for Exalted

I've never played either before, so I'm curious, why do you dislike Exalted so vehemently? I get that it sounds particularly easy to be a spreadsheet asshole, but beyond potential for abuse, what makes it so lame?

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Originally Posted by Pangalin

Although I have nothing but contempt for Exalted, it's almost certainly easier to learn than Shadowrun. It would have to be.

I tried building a Shadowrun character (basic smooth-talker/pistolero guy) back when Deni first proposed this in June/July. I got as far as buying equipment and trying to account for how much rent I was paying for my living quarters that I threw my hands up in despair. I love Shadowrun, I do, I love the setting and I've never read an adventure synopsis that didn't seem awesome but the sheer depth of some things is just insane. Some systems have a class that's a "smart guy". Shadowrun demands you specifically be good at "Languages [Asian (Chinese <Han Dialect {Orcish variations}>)]", and that's one skill out of like 5 or 6.

I reiterate that it's an awesome game but everyone should be prepared to spend an alarming amount of time thinking about what kind of poetry their character likes and whether or not they're good at preparing sushi.

I'm going to take a lot of that out of the player's hands, if they don't want to do it. Same as you did. You want to play a quick as fuck murder machine? We can do that. How about a slick technomancer? Done. Not a problem for me to roll up characters.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Axelrod :punch: Axelrod

but beyond potential for abuse, what makes it so lame?

If the idea of "PLAY AS A GOD! YOU ARE SO POWERFUL, WOW!" is an appealing one, you might as well just go watch DBZ and leave the games to the rest of us. The whole thing just strikes me as munchkiny LOOK HOW BIG MY POWER LEVEL IS.

And seriously; "The DeathLords, who in turn serve the NeverBorn"? Really? "The Warlocks of Hate, who in turn serve the BadnessDevils, who in turn serve the Knights of Evil Malice."

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

O, no argument at all. Exalted is fucking ridiculous. Truth be told, I favour ShadowRun by a long shot. But I figured I'd put Exalted up for the sheer ridiculousness of it. It's good for a few months of random explosions and violence.

The only real joy in Exalted comes from combat. There is nothing outside of it. ShadowRun, the violence is often a distraction from whatever it is they don't want you to see.

And I figured the people would like a choice. So they have a choice.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well I have to admit I didn't give a proper read-through since your initial post was quite long, but I didn't realize Exalted was all combat. That makes it significantly less appealing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

shadow run complicated yaaaaa

That's why I intend to put as much skill into growing and maintaining an amazing and dashing beard; the rest into simple simon skills. I expect a short life but at least I'll be a ravishingly manly beard wielder.

FELIPE NO

Ravishingly manly but with pretty eyes beard wielder. Although you apparently have much beardgrowing to do before you can catch up with the beardos that are Deni and knk.


My beard is starting to regrow in for new show. ONE WEEK OF GROWTH.



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This is a thread about P&P gaming. Beards are always on topic.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

There is a DBZ RPG. Why isn't this an option?

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Ok, well I don't think a lot of people will take fancy to all the rules in Shadowrun if that's the case. I know you can do it for us, but it takes some of the fun out of the game, at least for folks like me. And if you die a lot, by the time you next get to play, you're likely to forget everything. I know I've forgotten a good deal about D&D already.

Exalted doesn't sound like as much realistic or relational fun, but if it's easier, it might be a better pick.

I'm still torn. But it probably doesn't matter. I most likely won't be here to play it.

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Originally Posted by Zephyrin

There is a DBZ RPG. Why isn't this an option?

Because I'm uber familiar with ShadowRun, have never played Exalted but am interested, and because I loathe DBZ.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I voted Shadowrun.

Because's it's motherfucking Shadowrun >8( Discussion over.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I also voted Shadowrun, but because it sounds like a far more interesting premise for such a game. Not that I have any clue how these sorts of things work. None what-so-ever in fact.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Pangalin

If the idea of "PLAY AS A GOD! YOU ARE SO POWERFUL, WOW!" is an appealing one, you might as well just go watch DBZ and leave the games to the rest of us. The whole thing just strikes me as munchkiny LOOK HOW BIG MY POWER LEVEL IS.

Ironically, my one foray into actual DnD ended up with everyone having immortal characters from the er, having immortal characters expansion pack (Came out about the same time as the Hollow Earth stuff if memory serves) and got very silly, very quickly. Need a million xp to level up? you get one xp for killing an innocent civilian so I'll find a city with a million inhabitants...

We then transalted those characters into Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, keeping their immortal status. It saved a lot of wear and tear on the dice although my mate's upscaled version of Castle Drakenfels was amusing with each harpy that's supposed to attack you outside replaced by a large group of greater demons.

I fear that my childish outlook on life has been with me rather a long time.

FELIPE NO

I've been ready for this since you first mentioned interest in running another game. This gives me a reason to geek out for a night reading up on the setting again.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Elfstar

I fear that my childish outlook on life has been with me rather a long time.

This is not something to fear. This is something to be proud of.

Also, will Deni be running this second game, or will Pang be running it alongside the other one? Or will the other game just die to make room for this one (which I really hope it doesn't, I'm starting to understand it)?

How ya doing, buddy?

Deni's running it, and hopefully both games can peacefully coexist. I might be starting an additional PBP game as well but it'll be something much simpler, probably a boardgame of some kind.

There's nowhere I can't reach.