[Question] DS or PSP for ME?

Originally Posted by ^-^

Not aimed an Shin but assuming that everybody can buy everything online is as just a shitty excuse as saying that you're too poor to afford games.

Who actually depends on everything online these days?
Also wow, Shin. Way to fag up a thread there.

Alright, fair enough, if you somehow manage to go through life without a bank account and your local shop doesn't have a copy of the game you want and you don't know anyone in the world with a bank account who'd be willing to order the game for you in exchange for the cash and yet you're still somehow in a position to own a games console and have enough internet access to download pirate software then yeah, I can see you might have an arguement in favour of piracy but frankly, if your life's that shit then maybe playing computer games shouldn't be your priority?

Acer, I buy second hand games as much as anyone, especially online, I see nothing really wrong with that. I just think that "They didn't have it at the shop" is a rubbish excuse for stealing games.

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You also assume every city in the land has a fucking Gamestop or (insert used game store here) so fucking close by it's so easy for everybody to get every fucking game in the whole entire universe.

You also think that buying from a Gamestop will solve the problem and give the developers money. No, used game sales don't go to the developers at all.

My life isn't shit, I do have a bank account. I have a job, I have everything I ever. Fucking. Wanted. You keep on assuming that people pirate because they're down and out, but man, you'll always be wrong.

Alright, you know what? I fell for your troll. You got me. I raged, I lost.

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Originally Posted by ^-^

You also assume every city in the land has a fucking Gamestop or (insert used game store here) so fucking close by it's so easy for everybody to get every fucking game in the whole entire universe.

You also think that buying from a Gamestop will solve the problem and give the developers money. No, used game sales don't go to the developers at all.

My life isn't shit, I do have a bank account. I have a job, I have everything I ever. Fucking. Wanted. You keep on assuming that people pirate because they're down and out, but man, you'll always be wrong.

Alright, you know what? I fell for your troll. You got me. I raged, I lost.

Um, what? You also completely misread what I wrote, numbnuts. What I said was, and I'll break this down nice and simple for those of you with an education sub-normal reading level:

Some people claim that they pirate because their local shop doesn't carry the games they like.

I think this is a shit excuse because pretty much everyone in the developed world has sufficient access to the internet and a means of providing payment online. This means they can buy games online where pretty much every game ever is available and thanks to Google's product search feature, it's fucking easy to find them and you can sort by price.

And that's all I said. Go back and read my posts again if you don't believe me. Nowhere did I suggest that everyone has access to a games shop and nowhere did I say that buying second hand from Gamestop helps developers. There's no such fucking thing as Gamestop in the UK for starters, in fact the only shops in the town I live that sell computer games are Tesco, Argos and Woolworths which only stock a small range of mainstream titles. As such, when I want to buy a game, I often look it up on Google and buy it off the internet, it's not rocket science.

I'm not sure exactly what your problem is or why you got so upset at my suggestion that internet shopping makes it easier to find obscure games but in future, if you're going to start fights on the internet I'd recommend you actually read the posts you're taking umbrage with before you retort or you're just going to make yourself look like a twat. Again.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Shin

There's no such fucking thing as Gamestop in the UK for starters

Correction, there is a Gamestop in the UK. There are also multiple forms of Gamestop in the UK under the name of GAME.

It's not that I couldn't understand what you read, it's that with most of your posts, you imply something and come off as an asshole. I guess you don't see it, but I'm not the only person who does see this. Thus with the way you post, you come off as a troll.

Just like with the previous post, asshole.

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Oh my problem isn't that my Gamestop doesn't have games I like it's just the situation I brought up where I'd like to directly support a developer with a purchase of a new unused copy of a game where it becomes a problem of availability and I then have to (again I'm speaking of this at the local level) buy a used game. I'll concede that if after that I go and pirate something instead it's usually becuase I'm being a cheap asshole or I don't feel it's worth spending money on a certain game/mefightingthemanbullshit and also being a cheap asshole. But like I said that usually only happens for DS games and some PC games.

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Originally Posted by ^-^

It's not that I couldn't understand what you read, it's that with most of your posts, you imply something and come off as an asshole. I guess you don't see it, but I'm not the only person who does see this. Thus with the way you post, you come off as a troll.

Just like with the previous post, asshole.

Oh I see. Because I'm occasionally abrasive you automatically assume that when I make a post I somehow magically know what opinion you have on the subject and am making an unprovoked attack on your point of view so you don't bother reading what I've written and just leap to the defense of your opinion with blatant disregard for anything I might have said.

And you have the audacity to call me a troll?

How ya doing, buddy?

Sir, you placed that assumption on me first, when you told me I was misreading your posts when I wasn't at all.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Shin

Shut up.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by ^-^

You also assume every city in the land has a fucking Gamestop or (insert used game store here) so fucking close by it's so easy for everybody to get every fucking game in the whole entire universe.

I'd love to see where in one of my posts you read this little golden nugget of insight.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You make it sound that's it is indeed possible to get every game from the current and last gen, on an online store on the internet (when it isn't.)

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

It's just in those situations where I'd really like to support the developers but can't easily do so because I've decided to buy a game a few weeks or months after its release for whatever reason and then don't see it in stores unused that I then just give up and buy it used in the best condition I can find.

What the god damn fuck?! What shit-hole backwards fucktard staffing miniscule scale backwater stores do you go to that don't have copies of titles a few months, let alone the fucking 'few weeks' after release? That sir, is bull-fucking-shit by the truck load. I could walk out into the high street tomorrow and find brand new copies of all the launch title games for the current generation of consoles, which, if memory serves is a bit more than 'a few months'.

And even if that weren't the case, even if the store in my nearest town didn't stock new copies of the games, I could, as Shin has suggested, quite easily go online where I can find games going back more than a few years, that I can still purchase brand new copies of. I understand your point that sometimes it's hard to get copies of really old games, or platforms no longer supported, but don't try and claim some cock and bull story about your local stores not stocking titles a few weeks after release. Unless you're local store is actual a tramp with a shoebox I've seen stores in London that can barely contain more than the member of staff and one customer that have stocked titles longer than 'a few weeks'.

ness: Not to shit on your fine rant against Shin, but GameStop do not own GAME in the UK. The merger created a separate company which eventually split with a settlement, which is why GameStop are now looking to introduce stores over here.

I was speaking idiomatically.

However, my point is that you still have A GameStop store AS well as that little bit of chain you call GAME.

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Originally Posted by ^-^

However, my point is that you still have A GameStop store AS well as that little bit of chain you call GAME.

We also have Gamestation (owned by GAME) and probably a few other specialist stores floating about. HMV, WHSmiths, Woolworths and other retail chains also stock games, not to mention various supermarkets that tend to carry a number of games. That doesn't cover the various sites that you can also buy things from online. Now, are you going to claim that in the US you don't have at least a similar number of stores that stock games both on- and off-line?

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My initial point was that GameStop here is a chain that also sells USED games, online and offline.

The only stores that you can get games BRAND NEW and not USED is big box stores, and mom and pop specialty shops. To get IMPORT games OFFLINE you had to search in specific areas, as there aren't many in any places that arent BIG CITIES. There used to be ONE SPECIFIC SHOP north of my hometown that did this, but since there weren't a high demand for rare and import games, the shop closed.

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Originally Posted by ^-^

You make it sound that's it is indeed possible to get every game from the current and last gen, on an online store on the internet (when it isn't.)

That still has nothing to do with me thinking that everyone has a Gamestop on their doorstep. Yes, I agree that I believe it possible to get pretty much every game you might want off the internet, that's exactly what I said in my post but I don't get how you make the jump from that to "You also assume every city in the land has a fucking Gamestop or (insert used game store here) so fucking close by it's so easy for everybody to get every fucking game in the whole entire universe.", it's something completely unrelated. I dunno if you're new to this whole internet lark but using the internet for shopping means that you have no need to live anywhere near a shop although I admit that having a local post service helps.

I can only guess that you're either someone who pirates games but feels bad about it and having your excuses blown open is upsetting for you, or you're in a situation where the only internet access you have is from your local Gamestop or something. Either way, sorry I upset you, it was nothing personal and now I know the situation you're in I'll steer clear of saying anything around those two subjects in any threads you might read so as not to offend you again.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I pirate because I'm a sponge. A sponge, absorbing the art and creation around me. Just think about it: the imaginations and ideas from tens, sometimes hundreds of different people, artists, have come together and are rolled into one; what we call a 'game'. It's a beautiful thing. When a group of artists release a game, they are really putting part of themselves out there, contributing themselves into a kind of ether, in which swirl the accumulated creative works of art for the entire history of humanity. Creation is meaning; ergo: the Creation Ether is the sum total of Man.

As an ape coming to terms with an existence where, if we analyse it, the natural purpose of life is just to be a slave to a bunch of genes; if I am to rise above the savage, meaningless natural order, I need to draw on this ether, absorb all art around me without limitation and feed on it until I am glutted. Then, I may understand what it means to be human.

To allow meaningless structures such as economic systems to limit my vision and understanding in this transcendent quest would be a crime against the spirit.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

OK, after having spent far longer than I'd like discussing this with ness, I can see where this little ness/Shin spat has originated, and it's in error (as far as I can tell).

Shin was having a go at Acer's defense of people who pirate instead of purchasing, because they might not be able to get hold of the game, stating that it's pretty easy to get hold of a lot of things online (which it is).

ness has pirated games because they were either things he owns or things that you can't get hold of (at least not without paying excessive fees I'm guessing), which is a situation many people will agree is not bad (as it sort of forces your hand). However, because ness sees himself as falling into that group of people who pirate because they can't purchase in store on online he took the attack personally and defended the stance.

By doing so Shin sees ness as defending the same stance myself, Skills and Shin are against (saying piracy is OK because devs don't get money from used game - see my earlier argument against that point and why it's bad for the industry/consumers) and hence this little argument breaks out.

ness: I think we were at cross purposes, I get now that you were saying that GAME is a store that sells used games LIKE GameStop (rather than the implication I read, you saying that GAME was owned by GameStop, which is all I refuting in my earlier statement).

However, I still completely disagree that piracy is no worse than buying used games. It does hurt the industry, and it hurts consumers. If you find yourself needing/wanting to pirate games, fine, do whatever you like, but don't try to justify it.

(Just as an additional note: I don't consider downloading a game you already own as piracy really, since you already own it)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

What the god damn fuck?! What shit-hole backwards fucktard staffing miniscule scale backwater stores do you go to that don't have copies of titles a few months, let alone the fucking 'few weeks' after release? That sir, is bull-fucking-shit by the truck load. I could walk out into the high street tomorrow and find brand new copies of all the launch title games for the current generation of consoles, which, if memory serves is a bit more than 'a few months'.

I wish I had your stores. I'd shop there instead. No, usually unless they are really popular titles you will only see new copies at my GameStops for two maybe three weeks. After that they don't give a shit and stock used copies they seem to inevitably get in and usually for more obscure titles they order little more than the preorders they fill out. Best Buy is an odd beast around here. Usually when I go to find something there it won't be available unless it's really popular but then a game I did want but couldn't find there my last visit is sitting in a nice stack almost laughing at me.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

And even if that weren't the case, even if the store in my nearest town didn't stock new copies of the games, I could, as Shin has suggested, quite easily go online where I can find games going back more than a few years, that I can still purchase brand new copies of. I understand your point that sometimes it's hard to get copies of really old games, or platforms no longer supported, but don't try and claim some cock and bull story about your local stores not stocking titles a few weeks after release. Unless you're local store is actual a tramp with a shoebox I've seen stores in London that can barely contain more than the member of staff and one customer that have stocked titles longer than 'a few weeks'.

I'm lazy and I don't really enjoy paying shipping fees for one title. I enjoy perusing some wares at my local shoppe so sue me if I don't feel like going online afterward. I'd rather spend my time after the visit playing the games I did nab. And I like my stores just fine. I just need to preorder more often.

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You win, Shin.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I have a confession to make; I pirated Hannah Montana on the DS. Despite being sent a copy to review, I traded it in the next day as it was worth a surprising amount of value! Then I played the ROM.

Then I made an unpleasant facial expression.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

How often does she even tour down there? Good lord. Fucking Disney Channel.

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I didn't even know who she was until I played the game. Seriously. People thought I'd been living under a rock, and I was all 'no, I'm living on one!'

Then I put my hands on my hips and laughed so much some snot blew out of my nose.

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