[] Gym Battlers Open

Originally Posted by Chaotic

So I win against him once, and lose against him one. What does that equal out to? <_<

I'm guessing that's a ... tie? 1-1, I mean, is technically a tie. So I changed the chart to represent this.

Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

I was Poison not bug. The only one of my Pokemon that had sleep was Vileplume. I lost cause I overestimated the value of some of my Pokemon and didn't take the time to get any Nidos raised for the tournament.

Ah, okay. Still, I think if you are able to use all the other moves that prevent someone from attacking (paralyze, frozen, etc.) then one should be able to use sleep as well. If you can use items, shouldn't you just be able to use an item to cure it, anyways?

Anyways, here is the update from last night's battles.

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

if i can still battle sousuke, i'll be around at 9 PM tonight.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

Ah, okay. Still, I think if you are able to use all the other moves that prevent someone from attacking (paralyze, frozen, etc.) then one should be able to use sleep as well. If you can use items, shouldn't you just be able to use an item to cure it, anyways?

You can't use items; you can only give pokemon hold items before the battle. In this regard though, yes, you can have a pokemon cure itself of status effects by giving it a Lum Berry (a few competitors here have utilized at least one, including myself).

And as the Bug representative of this tournament, I can assure you that sleep has not been as useful as it should be. This can be attributed to my bad luck, the surprisingly small amount of viable Bug pokemon that can use support strategies well, and the extremely unorthodox setup of the competition.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Sorry about my sudden disappearance, guys. I've been on the road these past six days relocating to Washington from New York for the summer. I can see that today is the last day for matches, so I'd be more than happy to entertain what battles I can. And sorry to those of you who had PM'd me, I wasn't ignoring you!

I'm now in Pacific Time, it being 5:30pm right now. I'll try to be available from now to the end of the night, but there may be some periods where I have to take off to get some supplies. We're still in the process of moving in after all!

Sorry again for any troubles, and be sure to let me know if and when you guys are free today.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

Results look lopsided? How is that? I attended to make the neutralized score to prevent this thing from happening - since it is more lopsided without the system. The neutralized score system prevents a group of people to be listed as the same against each other. In the official scoring system, four people are tied for forth place, among a tie with two people in third. In the neutralized system, there is only two tied at two different places on the bottom.

Bleh, lopsided was the wrong word. And I don't think I fully understood the layout. But your last post made much more sense =p

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

Coming from an unbiased source (since I am not an active participant of this tournament), I agree much more with the neutralized scores than the official ones. Most of them aren't even that much different from the original - they just show the advantages and disadvantages that certain Pokemon play in battle. I believe someone is much more skillful if he or she can defeat five out of nine enemies all whose type is strong against his or her type, rather than someone with the same record and defeats Pokemon only average against his or her type. It's a much harder battle with a type disadvantage!

Oh, of course. No arguing that! The reason I even made the tournament the way it is is because I wanted to do something other than a normal tournament. It kept things interesting and, I think, caused more people to become interested in future tournaments I will eventually setup.

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

But the neutralized system was pretty easy to do this time around. If the next tournament uses two types of Pokemon, the equations will be much more complex. That's where I come in. I'm simply addicted to math, and doing these kinds of problems. If you accept the neutralized system, Kairyu, I promise I will give you more accurate results regarding the actual skill level of every gym leader that plays in this tournament. In essence, Kairyu, I want you to make me an official unbiased 'referee' of the next tournament.

I might adopt your score keeping system under the condition you stay active often enough to do so =o. Or at the very least swap IM contact info so we can talk more about this in detail.

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

The actual number of dragon Pokemon is quite small. Many of them are legendary Pokemon, and both you and I agree on either not allowing them or restricting them so they may only be used to balance things out. There are four fully evolved dragon type 1 Pokemon to choose from that are not legendary.

Hm, just Altaria, Dragonite, Flygon, Garchomp, Kingdra and Salamence if I'm not mistaken. The rest are either legendaries or lower evolution versions of the mentioned Pokemon. Not sure what kind of limits I could impose on players for using the BL variations though. Like what you and Crash already said, too many rules does kill the fun in the game.

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

If this hasn't been made a rule already, it should be. Allow only one Pokemon of a particular species to be put on a roster. In essence, you couldn't have six Dragonites defeat everybody but the ice trainer. (Also - I simply think that dragons are overrated, I personally would not pick them myself if I could participate in this event myself.)

Well it was a rule for other tournaments actually. But I decided not to include it this time since some of us were extremely limited on choices. Doesn't look like any of us actually broke the rule anyway. So I'm not too worried about players goofing around by making a team of only Blisseys and Bronzongs =D

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

While I do not particularly disagree with the idea of the rule you stated later in the second paragraph, I think these tournaments are becoming excessively ruled by their rules themselves. I think a major skill in Pokemon is the ability to choose Pokemon that can have variation in their attacks - and removing or limiting this would be destroying a core foundation of this skill.

Yeah, I know, just brainstorming. I wasn't exactly too keen on the idea either but I want to at least voice it out for everyone to see. But yeah, we could be thinking too hard about this. I wouldn't mind try a "normal" doubles tournament for once. I don't think I've ever been in such a tournament either (not counting the failed Gamestop doubles tournament =/.)

Additional Spam:

Originally Posted by Black Mage

Sorry about my sudden disappearance, guys. I've been on the road these past six days relocating to Washington from New York for the summer. I can see that today is the last day for matches, so I'd be more than happy to entertain what battles I can. And sorry to those of you who had PM'd me, I wasn't ignoring you!

I'm now in Pacific Time, it being 5:30pm right now. I'll try to be available from now to the end of the night, but there may be some periods where I have to take off to get some supplies. We're still in the process of moving in after all!

Sorry again for any troubles, and be sure to let me know if and when you guys are free today.

Dammit BlackMage, I was about to cross your name off the list xD.

You have until midnight to get as many matches out of the way as possible! According to my timezone you have 9 hours, starting now .

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Black Mage

Sorry about my sudden disappearance, guys. I've been on the road these past six days relocating to Washington from New York for the summer. I can see that today is the last day for matches, so I'd be more than happy to entertain what battles I can. And sorry to those of you who had PM'd me, I wasn't ignoring you!

I'm now in Pacific Time, it being 5:30pm right now. I'll try to be available from now to the end of the night, but there may be some periods where I have to take off to get some supplies. We're still in the process of moving in after all!

Sorry again for any troubles, and be sure to let me know if and when you guys are free today.

I'm available all night, until Midnight, Hawaii time. I've got tomorrow off from work, so I can stay up to have a battle. I definitely wanna fight you, Black Mage.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

We still need to finish ours, BM. I honestly don't remember what the hell happened when we first fought, so are you alright with just starting over again?

But anyway, finish fighting with Crash first. I'll follow up after you fight him. And if we're going by Hawaii time, I'll be available until 9 PM (3 AM EST).

How ya doing, buddy?

Epic match! Probably the toughest I've had so far. Incredibly close one, too.

Sousuke vs Black Mage:

Round 1 - 6v6:

For some reason, I started this match thinking Black Mage was the Poison leader. This, of course, led me into a false sense of... well, not security, but something of the sort. After seeing my first opponent I realized I was way off. FUFUFU. We took down each other's first Pokemon, and then landed at a bit of a standstill on the second. I was tossing everything at it that I could, but it kept healing, and I couldn't switch out due to spikes. Whirlwind switched me out, however. Several times. Combined with Spikes, most of my team was damaged in varying degrees.

After finally taking down his second, Black Mage proceeded to annihilate the rest of my team with Falkor.

Sousuke loses 6, Black Mage loses 2.


Round 2 - 3v3:

I went into this round expecting the same trouble as last time, and changed out my leader. However... He switched out right away, causing me to do the same. Eventually, I got the upper hand, allowing me to finish off the battle on top.

Sousuke loses 1, Black Mage loses 3.


Round 3 - 3v3:

Baton Pass! D: There was a LOT of switching out in this round. I think we both got a feel for what Pokemon we'd end up using, and planned our strategies accordingly... However, due to the constant switching, not much happened. Until Murphy's Law struck. Whenever I tried to use ThunderPunch on Jormungndr, Jock Strap would switch in and absorb it. So I went the other way and used an attack that would actually hurt Jock, and HE DIDN'T SWITCH. Instead, Jormungndr woke up and pounded me. So THEN I tried ThunderPunch again... AND HE SWITCHED.

After a fair bit of SWITCH SWITCH SWITCH, Black Mage finally decided to take me out. D:

Sousuke loses 3, Black Mage loses 1.


Round 4 - 3v3:

This match was fairly uneventful. We each took out each other's first again, and then I resorted to using Ice Beam over and over, hoping to land a freeze. Eventually, I did.... And Jormungndr thawed immediately.

Thankfully I managed to get another hit next turn.

And it paid off. Eventually I was able to take down the rest of the team.

Sousuke loses 1, Black Mage loses 3.


FINAL round - 3v3:

This match had to be all-out. We both tossed everything we could at each other, and well... A lot of switching made this last longer than expected, once again. A lucky Flare Blitz got me one step closer to winning this match, but...

Sousuke loses 3, Black Mage loses 2.


FINAL SCORES: Black Mage wins 3-2!

Black Mage lost 11.
Sousuke lost 14.

Now, I'm just gonna grab something quick to eat, and hopefully radcliff is still around to battle. If you are, I'll be online in a few minutes.

[edit] Epic fail on my part. ;_;

Sousuke vs Radcliff13:

Round 1 - 6v6:

Bah reports. I wasn't sure what to expect going into this battle. At first we traded hits. Quite literally: we both ended up using the same attack. Not much else interesting really happened...

Sousuke loses 4, Rad loses 6.


Round 2 - 3v3:

Move along, nothing to see here...

Sousuke loses 3, Rad loses 1.


Round 3 - 3v3:

After exchanging opening Pokemon, Quick Claw + Hypnosis saved me... for a short while. In the sense that it let me take down one of my opponents. After that, we were both down to one...

Sousuke loses 3, Rad loses 2.


Round 4 - 3v3:

Rad plowed through my team.

Sousuke loses 3, Rad loses 1.


FINAL SCORE: Radcliff13 wins, 3-1.

Sousuke lost 13.
Radcliff13 lost 10.

Sorry about the last report, I'm getting really tired. All I have left to battle is Generic, and I have a feeling that won't be happening tonight. ;_;

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Radcliff13 vs Black Mage:

Round 1: Black mage blew the fire team out, without even showing his entire team. Though the fire team did manage to get one of his pokemon. Winner: Black Mage
Round 2: The blowing was just as intense and the battle didn't last long at all.
Winner: Black Mage
Round 3: Well this is getting repetitive, and it keeps on being repetitive. *fire team did manage to get a burn in there*
Winner: Black Mage


Black Mage wins! 3-0
Radcliff: 12 lost, 1 defeated
Black Mage: 1 lost, 12 defeated

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Crash vs. Black Mage

Spoiler:

Round 1 - 6 vs.6

I'll be blunt: this was a totally unfair matchup. I knew what to lead off with and Black Mage had nothing that could deal with its speed and power. I had both Ice Beam and Thunderbolt at my disposal, and that's about all I needed. Procyon swept the match completely.

Round 2 - 3 vs.3

Knowing that he didn't have much that was capable of outspeeding my lead-off from the previous round, I didn't change my strategy. Black Mage still couldn't outspeed me, despite the otherwise impressive bench he was sending out. Ice Beam and Thunderbolt continued to rip him apart.

Round 3 - 3 vs.3

See Rounds 1 & 2; lather, rinse, repeat.


Crash Wins!
Crash loses 0 Pokemon.
Black Mage loses 12 Pokemon.

I feel somewhat poorly about how this match turned out. Of course I should play to win, and I did, but I don't imagine it was all that exciting for Black Mage. There wasn't much he could do about Procyon, and that defined the entire battle.

So that's it. I've played everyone, and went 8-1. My only loss came to Icy, who beat me by a whopping 1 HP. Not bad at all.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Damn you and your record, Crash.

Anyway, had my battle with Black Mage as well.

Chaotic vs. Black Mage (Part Dalawa):

Yeah, we started our match before but since it was about two weeks ago, we decided to start fresh again.

Match 1: 6v6
That MetalZubat... He sure gave me problems and a lot of them. It was the one match I decided not to bring Apocalypse in and it was one time I really needed him. After a difficult struggle, I finally managed to take him down and it was a lot easier from there... Of course Jock Strap... She gave me some problems also.

Winner: Chaotic

Match 2: 3v3
Whee! Fang sweeps and scores!

Winner: Chaotic

Match 3: 3v3
Black Mage put up a really good fight here. He literally had my whole team hanging by a string with their HP, but I managed to sweep. I was scared that his [Really Complicated Pokemon Nickname Here] was going to outrun Katana after a single Dragon Dance, but I managed to edge him out and seal his fate from there with Apocalypse.

Winner: Chaotic

Chaotic wins against Black Mage!!
Chaotic loses 2 Pokemon
Black Mage loses 12 Pokemon

I had a lot of fun with this match, dude. Hopefully you'll be around for the next tournament as well.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Sorry I wasn't available for matches... again. But as I explained. I work on the nightcrew. I'm only available during the day or on my days off. You can drop me from the tournament if you need to. Even if you extended the deadline, I'm going to a Dethklok concert today.

How ya doing, buddy?

No problem man. I'll just accumulate the totals anyway and see how everyone placed. Sane Brain missed a few reports so I had to double check! I'll post the results later~ today =D

FELIPE NO

I know it's over and all, but some people [ie: me vs Generic] just didn't get to battle. What are you going to do for the scoring there? Just give both parties a 0? I'd suggest 'awarding' a draw, but I don't know. It's up to you; I'm just curious~

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Generic Badass

You can't use items; you can only give pokemon hold items before the battle. In this regard though, yes, you can have a pokemon cure itself of status effects by giving it a Lum Berry (a few competitors here have utilized at least one, including myself).

But, if I'm not mistaken, if you give a Pokemon a berry to hold, once that Pokemon uses it, that Pokemon cannot use it again (as it is eaten). So status effects would still be mostly effective, I would think...

Originally Posted by Generic Badass

And as the Bug representative of this tournament, I can assure you that sleep has not been as useful as it should be. This can be attributed to my bad luck, the surprisingly small amount of viable Bug pokemon that can use support strategies well, and the extremely unorthodox setup of the competition.

Another reason not to limit the effectiveness of sleep for the next tournament.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Bleh, lopsided was the wrong word. And I don't think I fully understood the layout. But your last post made much more sense =p

If you have any specific questions at all about the layout of my chart, just ask me.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Oh, of course. No arguing that! The reason I even made the tournament the way it is is because I wanted to do something other than a normal tournament. It kept things interesting and, I think, caused more people to become interested in future tournaments I will eventually setup.

Hopefully it has done just that. Only time will tell...

Originally Posted by Kairyu

I might adopt your score keeping system under the condition you stay active often enough to do so =o. Or at the very least swap IM contact info so we can talk more about this in detail.

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

After I post this, I'll give you my AIM screen name viva PM. If your's isn't kairyugff then give me your's viva PM too so we can communicate about this more effectively.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

You can count on me, sir! Well, at least until the end of summer. After that college begins and I nearly won't have as much time... But I'll definitely try my best.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Hm, just Altaria, Dragonite, Flygon, Garchomp, Kingdra and Salamence if I'm not mistaken. The rest are either legendaries or lower evolution versions of the mentioned Pokemon. Not sure what kind of limits I could impose on players for using the BL variations though. Like what you and Crash already said, too many rules does kill the fun in the game.

Actually I said dragon type 1 Pokemon.

Below is the list of fully evolved dragon Pokemon:

#149 Dragonite (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#230 Kingdra (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#330 Flygon (Type 1 Ground, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#334 Altaria (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#373 Salamence (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#380 Latias (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#381 Latios (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#384 Rayquaza (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying) - Legendary
#445 Garchomp (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Ground)
#483 Dialga (Type 1 Steel, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#484 Palkia (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#487 Giratina (Type 1 Ghost, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Well it was a rule for other tournaments actually. But I decided not to include it this time since some of us were extremely limited on choices. Doesn't look like any of us actually broke the rule anyway. So I'm not too worried about players goofing around by making a team of only Blisseys and Bronzongs =D

That's good, but if you decide next tournament that people can use more than one type of Pokemon, I suggest you do impose the limit, so we don't have people going for the same six Pokemon. Pokemon is about variation and catching six of the same Pokemon defeats the purpose of, 'catching them all', doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Yeah, I know, just brainstorming. I wasn't exactly too keen on the idea either but I want to at least voice it out for everyone to see. But yeah, we could be thinking too hard about this. I wouldn't mind try a "normal" doubles tournament for once. I don't think I've ever been in such a tournament either (not counting the failed Gamestop doubles tournament =/.)

Maybe we are thinking too hard about this ... but in all fairness, all we're trying to do is brainstorm the most creative ideas to have as much fun as possible during these tournament events.

Wow, a lot of matches occurred in one night!

Originally Posted by Kairyu

No problem man. I'll just accumulate the totals anyway and see how everyone placed. Sane Brain missed a few reports so I had to double check! I'll post the results later~ today =D

I got all of 'em now.

To calculate all of this and put it into the system takes some time. When I first plugged in last nights scores, this post you had above wasn't even there. But finally now I'm finished.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

I know it's over and all, but some people [ie: me vs Generic] just didn't get to battle. What are you going to do for the scoring there? Just give both parties a 0? I'd suggest 'awarding' a draw, but I don't know. It's up to you; I'm just curious~

Ah - look at my chart then. The first two calculates the disadvantage of not playing all of your potential battles while the second two doesn't. The fifth calculated number is the added rank number of all four - so for example, since Crash Landon got #1 on all four previous ranks, he would get a score of 4 - the lower the score the better - and in all fairness, this balances everything out. Let me give you an example.

Black Mage for the longest time had two wins. Under the system Kairyu made, he would be around last place, but he never lost! So I calculated win ratios as well to balance it out. However, winning two matches is not as great as winning eight, as well, so it wouldn't be fair to calculate him in first place just because he won two battles. This takes in both sides of the argument and gives a fair prediction on both sides as to whom the real four best trainers are.

Here are the results! (If I'm missing something please tell me now so I can fix it)

Spoiler:

*I'm also requesting these results to be edited on the first post of this thread.*

Total amount of battles actual: 38
merging the two between dark and fire type gym leaders
Total amount of battles potential: 45
In total, there was only 7 battles missed. Oh well.
It only looks like more in the chart because in the chart every battle is two squares

Soon I will have the chart for the final four up, once Kairyu makes up a decision on who is going to be the top four.

Three are set in stone:
1) Crash Landon - the Psychic Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Identity Crisis - the Dragon Pokemon Gym Leader
3) Josiah - the Normal Pokemon Gym Leader

And the potential candidates for the forth are:
1) Black Mage - the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Kairyu - the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader
3) radcliff13 - the Fire Pokemon Gym Leader

Jam it back in, in the dark.

....Gah, just when I figured I was done, BM reappears at the last minute when I decided to more or less stop paying attention. I have to be elsewhere tonight even if we could still battle. I guess it's too late for anything now...?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

...

The only gripe I have for this post is that you want to omit the rule about sleep clause.

The problem is, I don't know how I'm going to address your statement, because there are two sides to this coin, and both are fairly even in the fact that the idea to ban/unban sleep clause is a stalemate, to use the term.

The ban on sleep clause is mainly judged by skill. if it isn't place, then someone could sweep with hypnosis/sleep powder, and battles would be long, and drawn out/boring (because heh, rest on a milotic is pure awesome).

If it is in place, you actually have to try to beat your opponent.

But again, it's all even sided, somewhat.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Okay, both Kairyu and I have drawn out a plan to deal with the tie for forth place.

Kairyu, the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader will face off against Black Mage, the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader, in a one 6 vs 6 Pokemon battle. Either Kairyu or Black Mage will post the results and from there I will calculate who will go on to face radcliff13 in the same style to earn that forth place title.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Alright, I'm back and ready to battle for 4th place =p.

The odds are stacked against me but with any luck I might be able to pull out a miracle or two .
Expect a PM from me soon, Black Mage.

edit:
Ok, Black Mage conceded his match with me since his internet is kind of not there at the moment. So that leaves me with radcliff13 to fight.
I'll PM you in a bit for one 6v6 battle.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Kairyu vs Radcliff13 - tiebreaker match

battle report (6v6):

One match to decide it all =p.

Long story short, I won but not without taking some serious damage. Radcliff's Fire team has a lot of fire power but was lacking in support setups. Except for Sunny day, which caught me off guard. And Pan, poor guy.

First to come out was, of course, my rock tosser happily named Pan. Rad sent out the quick Arcanine. Noticing my obvious setup routine he immediately withdraws him and sends out Typholsion. I of course use Stealth Rock to punish swappers :3. No damage was dealt yet but we both knew the situation was about to get violent. Typholsion being the faster one, calls up a Sunny Day while I EQ'd without OHKO'ing it. Damn you, Intimidation!

Drawing first blood, I wondered what Rad had up his sleeve. But I had a pretty good idea what he was about to do. And of course, I get blasted by a one turn Solar Beam! Due to Pan's higher than normal Special Defense and a non-STAB'd Solar Beam, Pan amazingly survives~ I then immediately repeat and wipe out Typholsion with another EQ. Thank god!

From there my memory gets a little hazy. I remember Pan getting snuffed out with a blunt Flamethower attack from Arcanine. But I sent out another EQ'er, Tartarus. My Sandstream plus Stealth Rocking didn't leave much room for Rad's Fire team. Especially after witnessing his Charizard take 50% damage by simply sending it out, wow.

From there it was basically a huge ground shaking sweep for me. I survived with 3 pokemon and plenty of sand =D.
Good game Rad! If I hadn't survived that initial Solar Beam you probably would've swept my team instead!

Match Summary:
Kairyu Wins!
Kai lost 3 pokemon
Rad lost 6 pokemon.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Oh, no.

This is what I feared.

The secret rules that I did not tell you two implied the number of KO's with type advantage.

See, ground attacks does twice the amount of damage they would normally do on fire Pokemon. Since Kairyu is the ground Pokemon gym leader, he has the most amount of ground attacks. Fire attacks do not have this advantage; they only do what is normal for their attacks to do, on ground Pokemon. And since radcliff13 is the fire gym leader, he has the most amount of fire attacks.

My system was set-up so every KO was worth 1 point. Since Kairyu had the advantage of his Pokemon doing double the damage they would normally do, I had to take that into account into the scoring; I did this by reducing the amount of points he gets per KO in half. Therefore, Kairyu would receive only a half of a point for every KO, while radcliff13 would still retain a point per KO.

Since Kairyu KO'ed all six of radcliff13 Pokemon, he earns three points, but since radcliff13 KO'ed three of the six Kairyu had, he earns three points as well.

In other words - it's a stalemate.

Therefore, there must be an ultimate tie-breaker. Sudden KO showdown.

Kairyu will select one of his Pokemon to face against radcliff13, but radcliff13 will select two of his Pokemon to face against Kairyu. (Assuming that this is possible) And the rules are clear this time: whoever wins this match goes on to the next round.

Good luck to both of you!

FELIPE NO

Frankly, I think your system is unnecessarily complex and moronically pedantic. "Secret rules" my ass. You've managed to convert something fun into a cesspool of by-laws and bureaucracy.

Kairyu won. radcliff knew he had the type disadvantage going in. Luck of the draw. Let's not bog things down with half-points and similar garbage.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Frankly, I think your system is unnecessarily complex and moronically pedantic. "Secret rules" my ass. You've managed to convert something fun into a cesspool of by-laws and bureaucracy.

Kairyu won. radcliff knew he had the type disadvantage going in. Luck of the draw. Let's not bog things down with half-points and similar garbage.

If I had known this would have been a tie, I would suggested a two on one match to Kairyu and discarded the secret rules to begin with.

I was just trying to keep things fair. If you think that goal is unnecessary - or garbage, and proceed this tournament on without a fair fight, then we are not representing a tournament that is deciding who is truly the best Pokemon gym leader.

This is especially so with radcliff13. Many of his loses came before he even had his full team ready to battle. And after that, he started winning.

Crash, you faced against Chaotic and Sousuke, and won both. Tell me, did it take more skill and planning to defeat Chaotic than it did to defeat Sousuke? Was Chaotic harder to beat because of his type rather than his skill? If you can honestly say no to both of these questions, I will concede to your point.

However, neither you or I is the creator of this tournament. Ultimately the decision goes to Kairyu.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

And the rules are clear this time: whoever wins this match goes on to the next round.

I'm probably splitting hairs, but next round? Wasn't the top three already established? Even if we do settle on letting Kairyu and radcliff13 play their sudden death match, why do we need drag on Kairyu's and radcliff's placement further?

EDIT: Bah, nevermind. The first post answered my previous questions. Disregard them.

Originally Posted by Sane Brain

If I had known this would have been a tie, I would suggested a two on one match to Kairyu and discarded the secret rules to begin with.

So... why did the rules need to be a secret to begin with? If you planned on giving radcliff13 a handicap, what exactly was preventing you from telling Kairyu and radcliff13 about it up front?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Secret Rules? Bah. I totally agree with Crash here--even though I wasn't part of this round in the tournament, I think that having this 'half-point' idea is totally unfair. Just because Kairyu had the type advantage doesn't mean he should have a handicap--he was assigned that type by luck of the draw.

How ya doing, buddy?