[Multiplatform] Grand Theft Auto IV. Not as much fun as shooting real Albanians

You called me out on it. I'm secretly upset about a PC version of a game in a series that I haven't played since the second one. I played a few minutes of the third one, didn't like it because the premise was the same and the content wasn't really appealing for repeating. Gosh, you called me out on that one, alright. Or perhaps I was trying to let people know how useless reviews are when in terms of numbers. I made a reference to the incident (you don't seem to be familiar) where a reviewer was fired after giving Kane and Lynch a poor review while they were encouraged to hype the game and give it high marks. I'm saying that if you want to score a title, go by the progression made between titles and judge it based on what it does differently. I'm viewing it in terms of what a customer would ask me what is new. I'd tell them that it has more of an open world and also features a multiplayer addition. I don't tell the customer that I give it a 9.8 based on this or that.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Garr

How about this?

How about we all just WAIT UNTIL THE FUCKING GAME COMES OUT TO THE PUBLIC? Just give it a few fucking days and then we'll get impressions and the like and see if it's really deserving of the 10/10 score IGN gave it.

No more of this analytical bullshit. Just give the game a fucking chance before you guys decide that it's going to suck.

But.. but.. this is the internet!

"New game announced!"
"GONNA BE SHIT"
"I haven't told you what it is!"
"YOU'RE SHIT"

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Originally Posted by Lukage

You called me out on it. I'm secretly upset about a PC version of a game in a series that I haven't played since the second one. I played a few minutes of the third one, didn't like it because the premise was the same and the content wasn't really appealing for repeating. Gosh, you called me out on that one, alright. Or perhaps I was trying to let people know how useless reviews are when in terms of numbers. I made a reference to the incident (you don't seem to be familiar) where a reviewer was fired after giving Kane and Lynch a poor review while they were encouraged to hype the game and give it high marks. I'm saying that if you want to score a title, go by the progression made between titles and judge it based on what it does differently. I'm viewing it in terms of what a customer would ask me what is new. I'd tell them that it has more of an open world and also features a multiplayer addition. I don't tell the customer that I give it a 9.8 based on this or that.

Then if you have no interest in the series, why do you feel you must be a fuckwit and add more meaningless drivel to the thread and further derail it from it's intended target of discussing GTAIV?

I know all about Gerstmann gate but it has no bearing on this thread or discussion whatsoever and trying to explain it while bringing up Halo 3 along with it shows you're just being a jackass. If you haven't played the game or have no intention of doing so, how in the fuck can you think you know the differences between this game and the past versions? Yes, we all know the majority of reviews are generally wrong, but at least the reviewer can be given the benefit of the doubt because they actually played the fuckin game before passing judgement unlike certain people in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lukage

Or perhaps I was trying to let people know how useless reviews are when in terms of numbers.

Wow thank you! I learn something new every day!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Haha for a minute I though GTA4 was released and people actually had the ability to form some first hand opinions on the game and if it actually is deserving of a 10/10 or not.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I heard that in GTA 4 you can stream your own songs in your car on multiplayer mode.

Imagine that

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Wait you mean I could do a drive-by on someone bumping to the Lucky Star OP and the other people would hear it? Because that would be all kinds of awesome right there.

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It should be obvious that everyone's entitled to their own thoughts on a topic, but there is a large, fat line that's as thick as Mo0 and Sass combined between expressing it and flat out being a troll shithead.

Just don't cross it folks, threadbans are already getting handed out.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Iwata

Then if you have no interest in the series, why do you feel you must be a fuckwit and add more meaningless drivel to the thread and further derail it from it's intended target of discussing GTAIV?

Sorry, I thought discussing the review's score for GTA4 was somehow related to the discussion for GTA4.

Originally Posted by Iwata

I know all about Gerstmann gate but it has no bearing on this thread or discussion whatsoever and trying to explain it while bringing up Halo 3 along with it shows you're just being a jackass.

The point that I made was in regards to numbers being shit and that everyone should lay off it. I made the reference to Halo as some people figure "hey, popular series, the next one must be better than the last" while its pretty obvious that Halo 3 was better than 2. So, just in case it takes a second say: Everyone shut the hell up about the score. The only people who care are those who want to give it a 50 out of 10 or the people who want to give it a -50 out of 10. Either way, same result: the 50s will play it, the -50s won't. That's it.

Originally Posted by Iwata

If you haven't played the game or have no intention of doing so, how in the fuck can you think you know the differences between this game and the past versions?

I read to see what major differences there are. Adding multiplayer is a significant difference, but from what I read, it doesn't seem to be appealing enough for me to want to play it. Key word: ME. The premise of robbing, killing, stealing, and whatnot is still the same. Are you then not allowed to say if its any good because you haven't played it though? No, you can gather plenty by the text, screenshots, and videos. You then make a decision on your own as to whether or not the core changes are appealing.

Originally Posted by Iwata

Yes, we all know the majority of reviews are generally wrong, but at least the reviewer can be given the benefit of the doubt because they actually played the fuckin game before passing judgement unlike certain people in this thread.

Did I say it sucks? Did I say that it lacks? You can tell a good amount about a game before it comes out. The progression of difficulty, replay value, or online stability are just a few things that really can't be ascertained from preliminary impressions, but you can get a decent idea of what it is. This is why people can pre-order a game. You can tell enough if you think it looks interesting.

Would you prefer I go to someone's house and play it Tuesday morning, then come back and give a detailed description as to why I don't like it? I'd give a mixed confirmation of my opinion of the title as well as how it compares to other similar or new games (such categories as sound quality, graphical quality, voice acting, controls, story development).

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Whatever happened to giving your opinion and then moving on? Do we really have to sit here and argue for 12 pages about why someone doesn't like something or why they do? Nobody here can honestly be stupid enough to assume they are changing anyone's opinion on the subject-- so how about we just drop it before this topic basically becomes an unreadable mess except to everyone in the played out fucking argument?

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Originally Posted by Lukage

The point that I made was in regards to numbers being shit and that everyone should lay off it. I made the reference to Halo as some people figure "hey, popular series, the next one must be better than the last" while its pretty obvious that Halo 3 was better than 2. So, just in case it takes a second say: Everyone shut the hell up about the score. The only people who care are those who want to give it a 50 out of 10 or the people who want to give it a -50 out of 10. Either way, same result: the 50s will play it, the -50s won't. That's it.

"Everyone shut the hell up about the score"? Look, people in this thread were looking forward to GTAIV even before the 10/10 scores started rolling out. Nobody in here has run around screaming how it's going to be the best game ever due to numbers in a review. Your comment is worthless because it's addressing an argument that doesn't even exist.

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I don't know what you're talking about, but I didn't put in my pre-order until AFTER the 10/10 came out. Completely disregard the fact that this doesn't make sense because they stopped taking special edition preorders before the review dropped.

It just is. 10/10 motherfucker.

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This is not really surprising. The videos and the images already told you that this would happen as well as the fact that they postponed the game several times and the fact that it's not really reasonable to bash a game that is without any doubt going to change videogame history, whether you like it or not.

I mean, I can understand that now there are some people extremely disappointed that IGN didn't fuck up like they did with Kingdom Hearts 2 two years ago, they still think it's one of the biggest hypes in videogame history, but in the end, as I said, whether you like it or not, this seems to be an awesome game. I mean, does it really matter whether it's a perfect ten or just a nine point eight?

How ya doing, buddy?

So it got a 10/10 review. So what. As we all know, there have been TONS of games that have gotten great reviews that people disliked for various reasons, games that have gotten a perfect 10/10 review that people really DID like, and games that didn't do as well that people liked/disliked anyway. So as Garr said, maybe we should just wait and see.

For me, I'm not really that interested. Can't do multiplayer and never really liked single-mode. I mean, I played GTA1, and while it IS fun to blow off some steam or whatever for a few hours, it's not a game that I'll be playing endlessly. Just not my type...

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Originally Posted by mortis

So it got a 10/10 review. So what. As we all know, there have been TONS of games that have gotten great reviews that people disliked for various reasons, games that have gotten a perfect 10/10 review that people really DID like, and games that didn't do as well that people liked/disliked anyway. So as Garr said, maybe we should just wait and see.

For me, I'm not really that interested. Can't do multiplayer and never really liked single-mode. I mean, I played GTA1, and while it IS fun to blow off some steam or whatever for a few hours, it's not a game that I'll be playing endlessly. Just not my type...

No! A perfect score means a game HAS to be epic and possibly one of the best games ever. There has never been a game that got an inflated score and went on to be utter shit. It just. doesn't. happen. This is the first time, and there is no precedent here. DOESN'T HAPPEN.

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*A Final Fantasy Killer! 5 out of 5! -GamePro magazine

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Deni, the more you post, the more I see our views are very similar at least with regards to video gaming.

Didn't Zelda:OOT get a perfect score? I actually am OK with that game getting such a score (although I could see why others might argue against it).

I was speaking idiomatically.

And here I was thinking this was a thread about GTA. Hang on to your hats, I'm about to copy some shit from Kotaku (god forbid).

Soundtrack that comes with the SE is as follows:

Soviet Connection [The Theme From Grand Theft Auto IV] by Michael Hunter
Dirty New Yorker by Mobb Deep Feat. Havoc & Prodigy from H.N.I.C. Part 2 Sessions
No Sex For Ben by The Rapture
No Fraid A by Munga
Where's My Money by Busta Rhymes
I Want You by C.J.
Rocky Mountain Way by Joe Walsh
Stand Up Jamrock by Bob Marley & The Wailers and Damian Marley
Liberty City: The Invasion by Seryoga
Vagabond by Greenskeepers
On A Journey by Electrik Funk
Nickname by Qadir
Holy Thursday by David Axelrod
War Is Necessary by Nas
Zombie by Fela Kuti
5:23 by Global Communication

Mobb Deep, Busta AND Nas? Excellent.

How ya doing, buddy?

There should be more rap themes.. but I like what I see so far. I dont think I've heard Dirty New Yorker by Mobb Deep at all since its not in Prodigy's HNIC Pt 2 album. Is it a classic track ?

EDIT : Nvm. I thought it was New Yitty. Anyway I heard Dirty NY'er and its fire for a 2:40 track =]. New Yitty is way better though..

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I'm getting the impression that there's very little difference between the PS3 and 360 versions, or that any difference is minor. That's great, really. But why does this feel like the first multi-platform game where the PS3 version isn't crippled or slightly lame in some form, due to frame rates or something.

Has something been done differently? Is this a turning point? =o

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Well there was Burnout Paradise. Most people say that the PS3 version is the better of the two, probably since it was lead developed on it. The main thing I hear about the PS3 version of GTAIV is that the colors are more vibrant or something like that (and honestly, it's not that big of a deal).

Regardless, the only people who are actually gonna buy the PS3 version are those who don't have a 360 (i.e. me). With a better online interface and exclusive downloadable content coming soon, there really is no reason to get the PS3 version if you have both consoles.

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

Regardless, the only people who are actually gonna buy the PS3 version are those who don't have a 360.

You might be correct there, sir!

Anyway, from what I've heard, the differences are very slim, the dude from IGN maundered something about framerate hitches, but I don't know who fucking cares as long as the rest is perfect.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

They sound pretty insignificant. But it's the just the general feeling that developers produce a strong game for 360, then churn out a shady conversion/port for PS3.

If it was lead developed for PS3, then that probably explains it.

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

Anyway, from what I've heard, the differences are very slim, the dude from IGN maundered something about framerate hitches, but I don't know who fucking cares as long as the rest is perfect.

He said that both versions have framerate hitches, but texture pop-in is worse on the 360.

Originally Posted by IGN reviewer

Sure, there are framerate hitches here and there and (particularly on 360) there is some texture pop-in, but it actually runs better than I expected.

For those wanting to know which version looks better, the edge goes to the PS3. The textures and framerate are comparable, but the PS3 has far less pop-in. The 360 has richer colors, but the PS3 has better anti-aliasing making it look a little cleaner. Because GTA IV can preload onto the PS3 hard drive, the in-game loads are faster. Don't worry Xbox owners, the load times are rarely more than 30 seconds and don't occur very often. The slight visual edge goes to PS3, but the 360 is no slouch. Either version will do you proud.

Originally Posted by aesop

If it was lead developed for PS3, then that probably explains it.

No, Xbox 360 was the lead development platform.

By the way, there are some live gameplay streams available from leaked versions, for those who can't wait until next week (like me). This one is active right now: Justin.tv - Reign's footage - Live Streaming Video. Liberty City looks incredible.

Edit: another stream, Justin.tv - Live Streaming Video

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Well I meant Burnout Paradise, going on RockgamerXIII's previous post.

Liberty City does look fantastic.

I was speaking idiomatically.

The sheer scope of the soundtrack has me excited. From Miles Davis and John Coltrane to Simian Mobile Disco and LCD Soundsystem to Nas and Ghostface Killah, it all looks incredible. Check this out:

Grand Theft Auto IV soundtrack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Swoon.

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