[Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl Tournament Discussion

Oh for crying out loud, since when are items other than the Smash Ball unfair? They're an extra edge that ANY character can use.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I assume that the people making Smash Brothers aren't idiots. They made a kickass series of games, that make for hours of entertainment(if you aren'y a cockbrained picky assed twit anyhow). I imagine that they designed the items to be balanced. For every item, there is a way to avoid, or counter it. If someone is constantly killing you with a hammer, learn to avoid it. Don't go all 14yr old whiney bitch on people and requesting it be removed. Unless they really dropped the ball on Brawl, I would assume that they made the items just as balanced here too. Items are awesome, because when properly used, they make for some pretty hilarious occurences.

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Well.. The Hammer is meant to be sort of a super-mega-kill item, so it's very tough to avoid. That's why people get all pissy about it... But hey, that's the game, so who cares.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

You also have the risk of grabbing a dud hammer.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The gold dud hammer pissed me off the first time I got it. SQUEAKY HAMMER IS BAD.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Lukage

I fail to see how picking out which maps you don't like based on a bias towards one character (or type) is fair. I bet I could find on EVERY map an advantage that certain characters have. The only rule that works in terms of being "fair" is no items.

It's not based on what anyone likes, Lukage. And that's what you don't understand. Final Destination is popular because it was a flat surface and no items means no surprises. No one picked it based on "Oh, I'm Fox so I'll kick ass on this stage", people realized how good Fox and Falco are on that stage based off it being the only goddamned stage they played on. It's just how things turned out with so much play dedicated to one area.

Again, I don't let the fact that Smash Bros is a game marred by several different interests blind me from the fact that tournaments are an investment with payoff given by how much people are willing to put in. If you guys just want to play NOW, just do matchmaking or some shit. Having a tournament "for fun" without any time investment defeats the purpose of having one in the first place. You might as well just organize games every weekend, because that seems to be all you need.

And Mo0, of course Rome wasn't deoxyribonucleic acid. Seriously, you're all going to get out of this what you put into it, so if you want it to happen RIGHT NOW then there's no investment there. I feel like I'm watching you guys sabotage the event right out the gate with the whole "Fuck this" attitude.

I appreciate the idea of "clans" picking random "rules", that shit sounds fun. I realize that interest to stick around might be fickle, so some of you are just gonna have to stick around then, now aren't you? Change and growth start at home, not with everyone else. If you don't like "tourneyfags", then don't be "those" people and don't concern yourselves with how they play. If you want to make a short little tournament, then that's exactly what you're going to get.

I think you give the attention span of players at GFF too little credit. You've all got to start somewhere. I realize there's backlash against the "tourneyfags"... but the fact of the matter is that no one here is playing them or has any inclination to play them. So stop worrying about things that don't even concern you and try to be constructive about this tournament. You're gonna get what you put in, lumps, bumps, waiting, and everything else that happens before we get this shit going.

tl;dr: You get what you put in, Lukage doesn't know about competitive play, LET'S DO OUR GANBARE BEST TO MAKE THIS HERE TOURNAMENT WORK.

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I imagine people would probably be more receptive to the idea of more tourney-style rules being implemented here if there were actually some kind of worthwhile incentive to winning. "WEEK #1 SMASH CHAMPION" on GFF just doesn't cut it, I guess.

I hope you don't take my comments as being super anti-yadayada negative criticism. I do like ideas like the rule cards, after all. I think I mentioned I was just playing devil's advocate. But yeah, sry.

So... tournament winners = top x seeded players = head of x clans = drafting lower seeded players. Is that how it's going to work?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I think "I kicked all your asses" is incentive enough in this case, but that's just me. This is, first and foremost, about fun. There are some good ideas here, though. And I think given time, you can have a unique event for GFF rather than just "all items, all levels, let's go." That can be fun, too, don't get me wrong... but you guys can make this thing your own if you just give it time. Shit, make a sub-forum, have polls... it might seem ridiculous at first, but what could it really hurt?

It doesn't matter if anyone disagrees with me, because for the most part, aside from me talking to Lukage, this is really all just about trying to make a compelling argument for patience.

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Originally Posted by Sakabadger

So... tournament winners = top x seeded players = head of x clans = drafting lower seeded players. Is that how it's going to work?

I'm still kinda thinking about it... I might just number everyone randomly and the clan leaders choose someone out of it...

Otherwise, we actually draft people. The lower seed winners choose first or something like that, and we repeat...

I'll think about it. o_o

BTW, Rotor, are you participating in this?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

What's the argument against having people just form up their own teams?

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

BTW, Rotor, are you participating in this?

Depends on when I'm no longer on lockdown. I own Brawl... no Wii yet, though.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Wait, so a good bit of the argument here is coming from someone who's not even participating? No offense to Rotor since I've got nothing against playing with tourney rules or normally, but let's just get this thing going. We'll do the first tournament and then if anything especially cheap/unfun happens we'll know what to fix the next time around.

And like Saka said, is there any reason why we can't form our own teams? Draft works fine too, but if certain people want to be in a clan together it seems silly to prevent that.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I imagine one reason might be the size of the clans. If it works out that there's only 4 per clan and some group has 5 people or some have 3, then there could be an issue of "you need to split up" or "you need to add someone." Kind of like grade school, eh?

But on the other hand, I think everyone could handle that sort of thing.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Look, I didn't want to come across as an outsider trying to impose my views, or anything. I flew into a nerdrage because I was watching a good idea get ruined by too much pussyfooting and not enough action, and didn't want to see anyone get disappointed.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Tritoch

Wait, so a good bit of the argument here is coming from someone who's not even participating?

Mitigating circumstances, pal.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I'm not saying you don't have a good reason for not being able to participate, but there's no point in getting up in arms about the rules until you can. Like Skills said back at post #120, we're at post #140 in this thread and it seems like we haven't made any progress at all. If we don't agree on some actual rules or lack thereof then this will never get off the ground like so many other good GFF events.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tritoch

but there's no point in getting up in arms about the rules until you can.

If you're talking, you're a target. As long as what I contribute is constructive, and if I am going to join in on your shenanigans there's no reason why I shouldn't have some influence early on.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So I'm out of town for a few days (sup Mickey), and I check in to see a 100+ post MARCH SMASHNESS thread? O_o

Whatever, I'm in, but I have no idea what's going on. I'll catch up when I get back, maybe... or just put me with someone who knows what's up and wants a guaranteed victory.

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Originally Posted by Rotorblade

If you're talking, you're a target. As long as what I contribute is constructive, and if I am going to join in on your shenanigans there's no reason why I shouldn't have some influence early on.

Well you should've mentioned that earlier before any of us started to get at you for butting in on something that you weren't even technically in yet. I probably would've flipped a shit on you if I didn't ask that question.

And I said this sometime before it got lost in the mess, but I might do the draft, I might not. Most likely, I'll let you choose your own teams since I really don't wanna seem unfair. I'm hoping is that all the good players won't all flock together. Nothing's worse than everyone not having a fair chance since that seems to be a big deal here.

What I'm trying to aim for in this is even teams, odd members... Hopefully we could at least hit 20 people in total for this tournament and league. Tournament might be a little off in seeding, but it will even out the teams pretty well, not leaving any team in a bye during any week. Should we get anyone over that, we're gonna have to boot to 30 so we could get the same result.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Well you should've mentioned that earlier before any of us started to get at you for butting in on something that you weren't even technically in yet. I probably would've flipped a shit on you if I didn't ask that question.

It's been mentioned elsewhere, actually. But again, you're not some fucking expert here on setting up a tournament. You're telling me you'd turn down constructive advise from a non-participant? That's extremely short sighted, man.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well, I personally don't see the point of you debating the matter if you weren't gonna participate. I'd think you would just be instigating at that point.

I've run a tournament that was more restrictive than this and had at least 50 participants. I got less complaints out of them than I did with the 13 currently participating. Restrictive, but it was all in the sense of fairness. Everyone in that tournament thought it was fair, and everyone had fun with it. We only had used only 5 stages, but they were all stages that didn't interfere with the fighting going on and every piece of damage recieved was from your opponent.

With you bantering "Anything goes! Anything goes!", I have my own reasons for ignoring it the whole time. Since, one, you STILL technically aren't participating, and two, I've been in a tournament situation before, it's not like I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm more interested in what the participants have to say before someone comes barging in yelling your "Pro Tips"

In any sense, it is FAIR to have no items and ban certain stages and STILL have FUN. Most of the complaints I have been getting have been from people who aren't even participating (you, Skills, Mo0, Tails...), so I really never saw any point on listening to any of you guys since this isn't affecting any of you in any form or way. Complain all you want, but you're not the ones fighting here. Hell, I might even change my mind on the rules if some of these stupid debates are gonna go on.

I will ban the stages I mentioned, and I will turn items off. Don't like it at that point? Don't participate! I've tried to be nice about it, and since people want me to put my hand down, I will.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Oh geez. Lets get on with the "tournament" so I can bitch-paperfan-slap you guys!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Well, I'll wait for some more participants to sign up. If we can at least get 20, then we're good to start! And curse your paper fan, CN. I saw that video.

I'll just close this thread since the people who aren't participating are just gonna be the ones who keep bickering.

kthxbye.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

One doesn't close threads...



...simply because they can't stand the heat.



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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sakabadger

Why is this open again?

(Thanks for deleting Saka's post. <_< I mean really. <_<)

I really don't see why this discussion needs to continue when I've pretty much said what I wanted to do in this tournament. I don't see any other discussion that needs to go on here.

The intent of this thread was supposed to be about the participants talking about what we wanted in the tournament. Instead, I end up seeing it become a breeding ground for everyone not participating calling us tourneyfags.

Honestly, looking through this thread. It was most of the non-participants that threw up most of the discussion about how we didn't need to ban anything. It wasn't until Page 3 that Lukage and Rotorblade decided to step in and start instigating on the situation and talk about how some how talking about what we want in a tournament is unreasonable.

Sprout then tosses in the idea of the Rule Cards and as much as we try to talk about it, Saka continues the chat about how hard it was to call "Anything Goes" in this tournament, when the participants themselves were trying to work on a system WE could use.

Shit really didn't blow out of proportion until Mo0 stepped in and said we're over complicating the situation. Sure that happened, but it's for the good of the participants since we're the ones who are actually fighting in this tournament. Not Rotorblade (at the moment anyway), not Lukage, not Mo0, none of you are actually participating in this in damn tournament.

So let me ask you this:

What the fuck are you doing in this thread?

As I've said before, this thread was supposed to be about the participants talking about what we wanted in the tournament. I didn't need this to become a thread where all the haters of Smashboards needed to come and mock us for actually wanting to ban stages or turn off items. That's why I asked the participants what they wanted, we didn't need you guys to talk about how unreasonable it is for someone who signed up to talk about it.

Well, thanks a lot, though! What started out as a normal thread about what we wanna do in this tournament turned into a discussion about how the non-participants actually criticize the participants about what they wanted to do in their own tournament! Good job, haters.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?