Products of Creation Science

Originally Posted by knkwzrd

That's not what Dull meant. It rained bread every morning during the exodus. They just had to pick it up every morning. You know, because they couldn't cook.

I can't make shit like that up.

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And if he wanted to
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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

That's not what Dull meant. It rained bread every morning during the exodus. They just had to pick it up every morning. You know, because they couldn't cook.

I can't make shit like that up.

I thought it rained mana because there's a surprisingly small amount of food in the Sinai.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

I thought it rained mana because there's a surprisingly small amount of food in the Sinai.

I thought everyone would get that I was making a joke, but we saw how that turned out.

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Originally Posted by a lurker

Wait, for real now - you mean during the exodus they didn't cook food? You're shitting me. How did they make bread?

Well, there is that whole "unleavened" thing. Plus there's cooked and then there's cooked well enough to prevent trichinosis.

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

I thought everyone would get that I was making a joke, but we saw how that turned out.

Political Palace is serious business, mister.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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So God tells you to be condescending as well. I see.

Yeah, if by "God" you mean his ego. Don't you realize that we only exist as supporting characters in this (jedi) hero's RPG quest to defeat evil?

Oh, save me from my ignorance, great hero!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Ridan Krad

What I don't understand, and what you have yet to clearly answer is why God wouldn't just let the natural laws he had just developed create the Earth, instead of just blinking it all into existence.

I have no problem with the idea that God created the laws of physics and let creation takes it's course. I do have the unproven hunch that He may have helped push things along. I personally like to think that my existence is due to more than just the pure chance happening of certain molecules combining billions of years ago.

Myself and many of my practicing Christian brethren look at evolution and wonder how something so carefully analyzed and tested can possibly be false. The facts and methods simply make sense to me. But even though it contradicts a strict literal interpretation of the bible, it in no way damages my belief in God as the creator.

For whatever reason this point of view seems to irritate, confound, or anger certain people. Having my cake and eating it too. Mmmmmm, cake. Anyhoo, I don't think anyone can truly understand God. Like science, we can learn a lot but there will always be a lot more we don't know.

FELIPE NO

What I find a problem with people who view the universe as a creationist machine and are not also Deists is that an artificial universe with its own natural laws sort of defeats the point of divine interference, unless God is a big jerk who likes to fuck with us.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

What I find a problem with people who view the universe as a creationist machine and are not also Deists is that an artificial universe with its own natural laws sort of defeats the point of divine interference, unless God is a big jerk who likes to fuck with us.

People such as myself simply don't view a God created universe as 'artificial', regardless of how creation is explained. And while I don't view God as being a jerk, I do prefer an authority with the power and desire to intervene in the natural course of things to one that just works for six days and then sits back and spectates from afar all the way till the end of time.

And I suppose the ultimate way to 'f***' with someone would be to damn them to hell. So in a way I'm not totally disagreeing with you. But who says He can't help us too? ... Well, I guess a lot of us would say that I suppose. Oh well. :P

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I just don't think there's much point in trying to help us if the universe operates on natural laws. It'd be much more interesting to observe the universe operating on its own.

It is nice to think that we're special, but that doesn't necessarily make us God's chosen people regardless of what the Bible says.

The view of the universe as artificial is sort of necessary in a creationist perspective, because without God creating the universe, the universe would not exist. Therefore God is the state of nature.

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Originally Posted by Ridan Krad

What I don't understand, and what you have yet to clearly answer (despite your best efforts to explain it so I can understand) is why God wouldn't just let the natural laws he had just developed create the Earth, instead of just blinking it all into existence.

God makes a point from time to time to show how powerful He is. I see it as a teaching tool to help us stretch our minds outside the box of uniformitarianism.

Originally Posted by killerpineapple

Myself and many of my practicing Christian brethren look at evolution and wonder how something so carefully analyzed and tested can possibly be false.

I'm one of the oddball Christians who does not agree with this. Earlier Denicalis hinted at something I already knew....

Originally Posted by Denicalis

That's why science is constantly reworking and moving away from the initial theory and expanding. It's the reason I took evolutionary and vertebrate biology in university.

Scientists are starting to bump into dead ends when it comes to explaining things through the evolutionary perspective.
I think the notion of irreducible complexity & intelligent design is the next step forward. As in the past fear and hate rear its ugly head again because the established majority is threatend by change.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

The view of the universe as artificial is sort of necessary in a creationist perspective, because without God creating the universe, the universe would not exist. Therefore God is the state of nature.

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

The notion of a universe that is filled with purpose is supported by creation science. Everywhere science turns there is a discovery of some new system of complex order surpassing our own creative intentions. Scientists have yet to find evidence of "accidental creation".

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

If I may interject, just how much longer is this merry-go-round of religious bickering going to keep going?

I ask because I get the sense that people grow weary of pointlessly arguing theology with you and would rather move on to other topics of discussion, such as anything else at all.

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Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

If I may interject, just how much longer is this merry-go-round of religious bickering going to keep going?

I ask because I get the sense that people grow weary of pointlessly arguing theology with you and would rather move on to other topics of discussion, such as anything else at all.

As long as there is doubt in the hearts of men.
I know people get angry with me and the supporters of this subject because deep down there is something unsettled that points to a God. Its pulling now drawing us together, the ultimate end of creation science is to bring people to the acceptance of what they already know.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

The notion of a universe that is filled with purpose is supported by creation science. Everywhere science turns there is a discovery of some new system of complex order surpassing our own creative intentions. Scientists have yet to find evidence of "accidental creation".

Irrelevance of the scripture aside, wouldn't your argument here applied to its extreme mean that God itself was created?

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

As long as there is doubt in the hearts of men.

I guess we can look forward to this pointless regressive mindset for the rest of eternity then.

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

As long as there is doubt in the hearts of men.

AWESOME. Easily attainable goal considering that common sense and free thinking aren't a part of the rational human's thought process. Also, can you cure cancer for us too? Because, you know, that would help me out a lot.

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

God makes a point from time to time to show how powerful He is. I see it as a teaching tool to help us stretch our minds outside the box of uniformitarianism.

In other words, God's an all-powerful, ego-maniac who will arbitrarily violate his own laws of nature just to make a point of how awesome he is. I don't see how God violating nature expands anyone's perspective, but I think I have a pretty clear picture now of the sort of God you believe in.

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I know people get angry with me and the supporters of this subject because deep down there is something unsettled that points to a God. Its pulling now drawing us together, the ultimate end of creation science is to bring people to the acceptance of what they already know.

Proclaiming your argument valid doesn't make it so.

The ultimate end of creation "science" is to try to pretend that God violating natural laws to serve his ego somehow is a logical way to manage a universe.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

"We don't know the answer. Right, well, must be God. I mean, otherwise we could explain everything. Because we have the full understanding of the universe."

You arrogant, arrogant fuck. You're the reason people think christians are pricks. I mean, you know that, right? You're the problem your religion has. You're the reason people don't like to go to church. You're the reason when someone says they're christian, scientific minded people look with disdain. If people like you would shut the fuck up, maybe perceptions would actually shift.

Here, let me sum up every argument you've ever made:

"I don't know the answer, so God."

"People disagree with me because God tests me. God."

"Not everyone hates me, they just know God is the answer to all things and they're afraid."

"Oh hey, my cable went on the fritz. GOD."

"The volcano exploded and we don't know why. UG KNOWS IT WAS VOLCANO GOD."

"Oh, have I mentioned I'm religious?"


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Sweet merciful crap, didn't we ban Simply Majestic for shit like this?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Sweet merciful crap, didn't we ban Simply Majestic for shit like this?

Yes we did actually.

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

As long as there is doubt in the hearts of men.

God told me it'll be ending sooner than that.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

the ultimate end of creation science is to bring people to the acceptance of what they already know.

That creation science is a load of bunk?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Ridan Krad

The ultimate end of creation "science" is to try to pretend that God violating natural laws to serve his ego somehow is a logical way to manage a universe.

It is if you're God I guess, QED this thread

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by LordsSword

God makes a point from time to time to show how powerful He is. I see it as a teaching tool to help us stretch our minds outside the box of uniformitarianism.

God doesn't need to do shit to prove how powerful He is to you. So, with that in mind - prove it. Don't prove to me God exists, prove to me that physics is wrong.

Or show me how creationism can create predictive models that can be used for technology ie vaccines, like Evolution can. Yeah I capitalized it. Show me how creationism can be useful for anyone other than people who're butthurt by science.

God says He gave you a perfectly useable brain, and he's pissed off 'cause you let it rot.

edit: lol drama while I wasn't paying attention

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