[Question] NDS Lite vs PSP?

Originally Posted by Elixir

If you want a bunch of good retail games, buy a DS.

Also, if you want a bunch of good retail games, buy a PSP.

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Oh varying opinions. I hear the Virtual Boy can be portable and offers great graphics and a new way to experience games. Hyuk hyuk.

For the best of times buy the best software and hardware you can so you'll obviously want Elf Bowling DS (soon to be available on DVD) and Winx Club: Join the Club for PSP (also probably available on DVD) and cram it into a multi-use holographic display made in China from the future and put it in the blender set to jet-propulsion and watch the world melt into rainbows before your eyes. You'll probably be needing a time machine for some of these items so really all you need for this to all work is a cardboard box and some wicked imagination. Good luck and god speed!

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Originally Posted by Rock

Also, if you want a bunch of good retail games, buy a PSP.

Bullshit. The PSP has a few good games but that's it. In comparison to the emulation and freely available stuff that's out there, there's little point in even purchasing PSP games. The same cuts both ways for the DS, except there's little emulation.

I can think of, what, 5-10 PSP games that I'd actually play? 1-5 that I'd actually buy? In comparison to the DS, it doesn't compete. Seriously. It's doing well against the DS but the fact of the matter is this is a "PSP vs DS" thread. And the DS is winning.

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1. Everybody has different taste in video games.

2. There are only 1-5 buyable games on the PSP. Other people may find a lot more than us that are buyable.

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Originally Posted by PsychoJosh

I have a very slight preference for the PSP because it's the traditional way to play games

Originally Posted by PsychoJosh

the DS, which mainly has only traditional games for it anyways that don't really use the touch screen.

Originally Posted by PsychoJosh

PSP is akin to playing a traditional game boy, for me.

Alright, make up your mind.

The PSP is built more for a media player. The DS is built for games, but has the potential for the media, but is harder (M3 Simply, etc). I find the DS to have the AAA titles as well as a better all-around library, stylus or not.

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Lix says the DS has way more games he'd buy, and I disagree with him entirely. I can't think of a single DS game I wanna play, much less buy. But then that's the type of gamer I am -- I'm not really interested in having my choice of two dozen puzzle games and brain-training games, which comprises a hefty portion of the DS's library. Not necessarily a bad thing if you're into those sorts of things. From my perspective, the DS doesn't have many games with what I'd consider "substance" -- it's mostly pick up, play for a bus ride and put down, not picking it up until you get back on the bus.

The PSP, on the other hand, has games I'd sit down for hours and play; Valkyrie Profile, Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters, both of the Mega Man games, Dragonner's Aria, Brave Story, Kingdom of Paradise, Jeanne d'Arc, Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, the two FF remakes (though you can get those on the GBA), Tales of the World, and (import only) Breath of Fire 3 and Tales of Eternia.

I've purchased many more games than just those listed, but the PSP is not just an emulation system. I've never used my PSP for emulation, and I've been way more than satisfied with it. To this date, I haven't seen a reason to purchase the DS. I might when/if the Dragon Quest remakes are released in the US, and probably when DQ9 gets here, but then that'd be it. 3 games versus the 14 I listed above.

Again though, this is my taste in gaming. I'm not big on casual games cuz I find them boring and lacking, but if that's what you're into, then yeah definitely get a DS -- you'll find more to purchase and you'll get more out of it. If you want games that are more comparable to console games, I'd say go for the PSP.

Edit: But really, saying that one system is built for games is....inaccurate. Both systems are built for games. If the PSP's only purpose were multimedia, then that statement would be dead-on, but it's not. It was built as a gaming device with MP3 playback, video playback, and wireless Internet access included. If it wasn't built for gaming in mind, it'd have a library like the N-Gage's.

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Originally Posted by SouthJag

From my perspective, the DS doesn't have many games with what I'd consider "substance" -- it's mostly pick up, play for a bus ride and put down, not picking it up until you get back on the bus.

Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Hotel Dusk: Room 215
Luminus Arc
Lunar Knights
Magical Starsign
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Justice for All

Just a few of the many that you can do more than just "pick up and play for a little while" games. IMO, it's a advantage that the DS has games that work with both prefferences. Remember, these ARE handheld systems. A lot of the better PSP games feel more like at home console games IMO. The PSP does have a few gems though. Personally, i've been running through these:

Brave Story
Legend of Heroes 3
Riviera
Guilty Gear: Judgement (much better than the craptacular DS GG game)
Valhalla Knights (the gameplay can be a bit slow at times, but the multiplayer is quite fun)
Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Jeanne d' Arc
Tales of the World
Monster Hunter Freedom 2
Tekken: Dark Ressurection (I have it for PS3, but still play it during train rides)
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops

All of these are excellent games IMO, but only 2 of those are really "on the go" games. Tekken, and Guilty Gear. Either way, I still have a lot of the PSP library to explore, so my opinion might change with time. As of right now though, the variety in the DS library is leaps and bounds above the PSP library IMO.

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Riviera started as a GBA exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Borg1982

Riviera started as a GBA exclusive.

and the PSP version is superior. Your point is?

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It's not a PSP original. The GBA version is better to play because Nintendo handheld games are fast pop-in and play games with insta-loading and insta-saving quests.

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It's a RPG with above average amounts of dialog. There's nothing "pop-in and play" about it. I might as well carry around a PS2 with a attach on monitor and play Xenosaga on the go. I will give you the load times though.

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What I mean by pop-in is just putting the cart in and turning the GBA on.... after the company name screens, you are already playing the game.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SouthJag

The PSP, on the other hand, has games I'd sit down for hours and play; Valkyrie Profile, Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters, both of the Mega Man games, Dragonner's Aria, Brave Story, Kingdom of Paradise, Jeanne d'Arc, Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, the two FF remakes (though you can get those on the GBA), Tales of the World, and (import only) Breath of Fire 3 and Tales of Eternia.

Yes, but...Most of those are RPG's and/or ports/remakes. Kind of unfair to compare against a library of "puzzle games and brain-training games", when the 2D platformers available were such a key decision for me to get a DS to begin with and most of the games are original or at least do something radically different (read: online for Puzzle League). I love RPG's, but: A) DS has them as well and fewer straight ports (though probably fewer overall) B) DS has a ready-made GBA slot, so you can readily factor in the entire GBA library. C) The amount of original RPG's on PS2 dwarfs the amounts on both systems by a considerable margin if we're not factoring in portability.

Not a fair comparison there, I thought. I think part of the DS' success has been due to casual games, but saying it's basically all "puzzle games and brain-training games" isn't even close to accurate (Nintendo has, what, 3-4 brain training games out? That's like 2% of the entire DS library!). Especially when the biggest and (IMO) only original PSP game worth owning for ages was Lumines and Sony spent most of their advertising on the system's non-gaming features (I actually can't remember a single commercial for an exclusive PSP game).

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The Nintendo.com Master Game List came back with 47 results with the category "Puzzle" included, and they've missed several since they categorize as well by "Mental Training." So it's closer to 60, really.

I'm not really trying to be negative or anything, but whereas the DS does have a lot of games, considerably more than the PSP as well, that doesn't necessarily mean more of their games are better. Maybe it does for you and other DS owners, which is perfectly fine. Hell, it's fantastic, because you have a lot to choose from.

I, as a PSP owner, may not have that much to choose from, but what I do have is product I consider to be (and please don't take this the wrong way) of higher quality. I'm a much bigger fan of Metal Gear Solid than I am of Phoenix Wright, and both games are popular on their respective handhelds.

For the purpose of the thread though, I don't think I'd recommend looking at the systems to determine which one to buy. Rather, look at the game library -- I can't say that enough. Working at a GameStop, I see far, far too many people getting mad because they bought a system without knowing the games that were currently available and about to be available.

For the record, Sony had commercials for Ratchet and Clank: Size Matters, Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops, Jeanne d'Arc, Madden '08, Final Fantasy II, DBZ Shin Budokai, and several other Japan-only games, including Bleach: Heat the Soul.

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Eh, I'd say about half of those are questionable as straight puzzle games one would normally think of (Tetris, Puzzle League, etc...) and a number of those games are pending releases. Besides, I didn't say DS didn't have plenty of puzzle games...I said they didn't have that many brain-training games (Big Brain Academy, etc).

I'm not trying to be negative either, but I don't think that was a particularly accurate take on the DS library. I actually think PSP has built a fine library...My problem is so much of it is scaled down versions of PS2 games and ports/remakes. Unless there's a ton I'm missing...I do like the RPG selection though (granted, the main game I want to play is a Japanese PC port, but that's beside the point, since Gurumin was never released here on PC!), but I have too many to play between my home systems and GBA/DS.

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Originally Posted by Qwarky

As for GBA emulation, I'm fairly sure it's capable, but I personally never got it to work. All the emulators I found at the time were crippled WIP and one that apparently was supposed to be working wasn't actually a proper program, just parts of it. The readme that came with it was too much linux speak, but I deduced I should have apparently looked up a bunch of other pieces and files they gave no info where to find, at which point I gave up and figured I'd see if some of the other projects get finished.

Awhile back I had done GBA emulation as I was nacking some Zelda titles I missed, It must have been the emulator becuase it seemed to slow down way too often; Overclocking didn't do much to help. So my GBA emulation experiance was kind of dull, The other emulators I have tried though work excellent (SNES, Genisis... Etc).

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Originally Posted by Borg1982

Riviera started as a GBA exclusive.

If I'm not mistaken, Riviera was originally released on the Japanese only Wonderswan handheld.
The GBA version is also a port.

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In more relation to the actual topic at hand, I own a PSP and my younger brother has the DS Lite. I look at the PSP as a more of "Portable Playstation 2" as it has the console based titles i'm into and I enjoy the media capabilities. The DS seems to cater more to the portable crowd and offer many titles that are meant to be played for shorter times but can be played longer if you wish.

The PSP's main appeal for me is it's homebrew, As it is for many people. The idea of playing SNES on your PSP and even Turbo Graphics titles is a huge draw in for me; N64 Emulator is coming along nicely too, It has a lot of slow down but it's getting better. There's other various homebrew applications on the PSP that are worth noting, Such as the port of Duke Nukem 3D and Doom...

The DS' main draw for me would be it's exclusive titles, This being "New Super Mario Bros" and "Sonic Rush". I felt the systems purchase could be validated through the whole idea of getting the New Super Mario Brothers.

I guess it comes down to, Are you into the accesibility the DS offers; Don't forget it's very favourable exclusive titles. Or are you into the more console on the go feel with the great Homebrew scene surrounding PSP?

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It's depressingly obvious Southjag has no actual clue what kind of games are out for DS (since he doesn't own one). And fair enough, I guess. I've no clue what's out for Vectrex and can easily claim right now I can't think of a single title on it I'd want. If you paid more attention to a console, you're bound to see how much variety the game library has.

To give more perspective, I own 14 DS games plus about 15 GBA games, 8 of the DS games I personally consider as unmissable, the rest are "great". For GBA, the numbers would be 9 unmissables. None of them are puzzle games, nor brain training. I don't even own Nintendogs.

I'm counting I have 12 PSP titles and one of them is puzzle (unless you also count Exit and Locoroco). Three of these titles I'd count as completely excellent, the kind that make the machine worth buying.

If you're going to claim "DS only has puzzles and brain training" based on finding 47 (or 60) games listed as puzzle (if you think the likes of Ultimate Mortal Kombat and Rainbow Islands count as puzzle), then using that logic one would claim "PSP only has bad games" because a good number of its titles are ports ill fit for a portable console and/or rated poorly. But the PSP has great titles and any sensible person can see that. If you've played nothing but PS2 games all your life and have never really owned a portable system, you're bound to be impressed by the system.

The other idea, to berate many DS games as the type you only play on the bus, aka on the go, is absurd. That's like complaining PS2 (another console with massive crap to classic ratio) only has games you play on the TV. A portable system is supposed to be played on the go, is it not? A game doesn't need to be short and throwaway to be fit for a portable device (or on the DS, as you seem to think). That's been the beauty of the best GBA and DS games (and PSP for that matter). They offer games with considerable depth that you play at home as well, but see no reason not to structure them to fit shorter play sessions as well.

And as a little head's up, the N-Gage was designed with games in mind. It's proof that intent alone doesn't get you far. It's also proof that your knowledge on N-Gage is limited to seeing the funny photos of sidetalking and probably having heard about its commercial flop.

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My friends came up with this dilemma once.

I had advised them to google highly rated PSP or DS games. Whichever one induced more seizures was the one they should go for.

All of them ended with the DS.

Okay, that example's bound to cause furure...
SO ON THE FLIPSIDE, while the DS was geared for my then-virginic videogamer friends (excluding Warcraft and CS), I would also heartily recommend the PSP, as it is one of THE best portable multimedia devices. The MP3 is great, videos are a dream to watch
(thanks to the nice screen), and the possibilities of homebrew and hacking is fun to tinker around with. There aren't as many must-have games like Tekken 5 DR, Metal Gear, Guilty Gears, but if you're more of a hardcore gamer, you'll love PSP's library. As for me personally, I own a DS, but I can write about the PSP cause I managed to borrow my cousin's PSP while he was overseas . Although it was pretty cool, I wouldn't buy my own PSP until maybe very late in its life (like I did the PS2).

Initially, I hated the idea of the DS. That changed when games like Trauma Center, Phoenix Wright, Advance Wars and Mario Kart (among others) came out (though they may not be your cup of tea).

Actually, I think I might conclude with this:
-PSP: For the hardcore, more traditional games
-DS: For the less hardcare (more casual), mostly unconventional/unique games

I was speaking idiomatically.

The sad truth is that every popular game console/handheld that comes out will have at least ONE game that someone would like a lot.

In my opinion, it should come down to a calculation. Cost to fun ratio. Add up how much money you'd spend on the system plus the games and see which ratio is better. The DS might automatically seem to win (because of its lower cost), however, if you value one PSP game as very high and want it very bad, give it more "weight" in the calculation.

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Originally Posted by SouthJag

The Nintendo.com Master Game List came back with 47 results with the category "Puzzle" included, and they've missed several since they categorize as well by "Mental Training." So it's closer to 60, really.

But theres over 1200 games for the DS. That doesn't sound like much in comparison to it's library. If you view the DS as, "oh it's just a bunch of brain training and puzzle games", you aren't looking hard enough. I went through the PSP ordeal last year, and I didn't find that many games I enjoyed. Locoroco, Taiko no Tatsujin (which is now on DS, I guess), Power Stone, DJMAX and a couple of others.

I looked quite hard too. But oh well. I just prefer the DS because of it's library. If you selectively pick out games that have certain aspects which appeal to you, you're going to enjoy them a lot. Stay away from the "brain training and puzzle games" you speak of, and you'll still find something out of the 1200+ games the DS has.

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Originally Posted by Elixir

But theres over 1200 games for the DS.

Actually, lix there's about 500+ games. If you're guessing 1200+ games from the NDS rom websites, you've forgotten that most of those games are in Jap, US and European forms. But still, 500!!!!

And to agree with the majority, yeah, you'd be a fool to say DS is only for the Edutainment games.

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The DS is a very good lump of DS. I bought the old faux wood-finish version with gold trim back at the local launch. And for what? Zoo Keeper of course! Best launch game ever? Oh my no (close). Since then I've enjoyed a portable revival of adventure games, a new (NEW) Super Mario Bros. platformer, a game that lets me play as a girl who cries on flowers and burns bridges with that time of the month, a bunch of completely out of nowhere sequels to really dead Taito games, an onrine Marieo Cart, the best handheld pinball game since Revenge of The Gator, at least ten BILLION other enjoyable puzzle games that have actually managed to burn me out on the whole bloody genre (for a while, at least) as well as things that just wouldn't be what they are without the whole touch touch gimmick kiddy thing (EBA/Ouendan LOVE Q Edition, Cooking Mama, Kirby Canvas Curse, extremely long sentences).

Pick past the God awful virtual pet games and you're sure to find lots of STUFF. To me, the DS is the true portable PS2. You know, if PS2 had Sega Saturn graphics. Admittidly, I don't have much experience with the PSP (perhaps Nintendo should release a PSP Training non-game), I've borrowed my mates a number of times though his choice of games does nothing for me (wrestling, basketball, Metal Gear Yu-Gi-Oh) but I like what I see in the library its built up over the years! I even have a stack of games sitting around in my room for it, waiting for the launch of the slim unit next month. I mean even Sega's been making good games for the system, so there's gotta be something magical happening there! At a time when I'm arsing around on public transport more and more, the whole being able to watch videos on it sounds really appealing too. I don't know if it's annoying to convert them but probably, anything that involves computers is. Oh and they may have cancelled the Earthworm Jim remake, but emulation means I'll be able to play the original anywhere! : DOPEY_LOVESMILEYCOMEBACK :

I'm not going to pick one for you, because I'm just wasting a bit of time here typing about me. Me me me! This isn't 1991 though, where the options were Game Boy vs two absolute failures. I reckon you'll be pretty pleased with either system! Have a fun, enjoy!

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I think what Infernal's really trying to say is "Buy an Atari Lynx instead".

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Actually, lix there's about 500+ games. If you're guessing 1200+ games from the NDS rom websites, you've forgotten that most of those games are in Jap, US and European forms. But still, 500!!!!

Oops. Well, considering international releases are excluded, I'd say it's more around 700. Either way it's still a lot of games for a console which has only been out since 2004, which is 3 years. I don't even think the PS2 had that many that fast.

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