[Multiplatform] Bioshock. Available on Wii 12/5/2010

Originally Posted by Lukage

Although, the last comment regarding the splicers bothers me as it adds to the easymode status of the game. :\

There's still the natural delay from switching weapons, so as Tails said, if you're in a group situation you're still going to end up getting beat up side the head a few times. I really like the way the weapon and plasmid switching works, in fact the whole control scheme on the 360 feels natural once you get going. I found it led to being able to be quite slick with your moves.

Where does the issue with the difficulty come from? I only played it on medium, and admittedly I wasn't overly challenged, but I certainly died a number of times (getting into a mass brawl with a number of splicers near a Big Daddy is not a good idea). Plus it felt like it was more about telling the story, so I was glad I didn't have moments of getting frustrated at overly difficult sections.

Like I said, loved the game, a brilliant experience from start to finish.

How ya doing, buddy?

I'm about 9 hours in Normal Difficulty and I've yet to die. I don't use the imba wrench, but I'm trying to keep to one plasmid and one gun per area to try to restict myself that way. And of course, I'm keeping in mind the options for using the surroundings to kill people.

Most amazing jew boots

Finished Bioshock last night and would you kindly tell me why it is the best game i've ever played? Alot of stuff that people claim isn't explained throughout the game is actually explained in-depth, it just isn't done through in-game cutscenes. Instead Bioshock conveys these explanations through audio diarys which are in abundance and sometimes found in very obscure and hard-to-reach locations.

I think i'm one of the select few who have managed to acquire all 122 Audio Diarys and goddamn did it help make Bioshock's story so much more fleshed out. The story was just made of pure mindbending awesomeness.

I'm just starting my second playthrough on hard, yet I still find Bioshock as enjoyable and captivating as it was during my first playthrough. Bioshock is also one of the very rare few games that i will have played through more then once due to it being so awesome.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Iwata

I think i'm one of the select few who have managed to acquire all 122 Audio Diarys and goddamn did it help make Bioshock's story so much more fleshed out. The story was just made of pure mindbending awesomeness.

I found 120 of the 122 in the complete play through (went and found the last two this morning). But yeah, loved how they fleshed out the story and provided an explanation to things, especially some of the earlier tapes regarding the doctor.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Oh what's this???

http://gamerankings.com/itemrankings...asp?rankings=y

BioShock = 4th highest ratedd game of alltime.

HOO RA!!!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

That's excellent news, Slayer!

Bioshock definitely deserves it. I don't consider any game to be perfect, but this game provided one of the best experiences I've ever had on my 360.

I couldn't agree more about what's been said about the audio diaries. I ran through the game on easy pretty quickly, but right before I was about to take on the final boss I hightailed it all the way back to the start of the game just to search for all of the diaries. It's amazing that, even I've gone through the entire world, whenever I find a new diary it still peels away another level of intrigue and adds to the depth of the story.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Slayer X

Oh what's this???

http://gamerankings.com/itemrankings...asp?rankings=y

BioShock = 4th highest ratedd game of alltime.

HOO RA!!!

Ratings usually drop quite a bit when a larger amount of reviews come in for a game. Happened to both Twilight Princess and Halo 2: at one point each had taken the #1 spot (with the required amount of reviews to be on the chart), now both of them got bumped so far down they aren't even in the top 10 anymore. We'll see if Bioshock stays around there after it goes above 60 or 70 reviews.

Oh, and I recently tried using an Xbox 360 controller with the game (still on the demo though), and was surprised at how nice it felt. I kinda liked how left trigger was assigned to shooting plasmids instead of being a swap button like the right button is for a mouse by default. The aiming and movement felt unexpectedly fluid as well, and the RB/LB for selection weapons/plasmids was fairly efficient (I'm used to the radial menu from the Ratchet and Clank games anyway). I'm debating whether I should play this one on the PC monitor with a Keyboard/Mouse or on my HDTV from the couch with an Xbox 360 controller (although I hope they'll give FOV options by then).

How ya doing, buddy?

I'm coming out of a very long lurk session just to see if anyone else is paranoid about the possible rootkit that Bioshock has installed on their computer.

Anyone EXTREMELY concerned about this as much as myself?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Perhaps if you wouldn't mind elaborating on this issue a bit I might be able to develope an opinion and tell you what I think because I have not heard about this issue yet.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

He's referring to this:

http://www.gamingbob.com/2007/08/23/...ncluding-demo/

Basically it's some kind of program that installs itself within a hidden folder into the lowest layer of Windows and blocks attempts to delete the registry key that activates it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Just beat it and got this ending!

Spoiler:

I ended up saving all the little sisters. I felt like I should make my first play through a less morally conflicted one, and I was pretty happy with the results. I got a little teared up through the ending cinematic, even though it was a little sappy. BUT THEY ALL GOT TO LIVE A FULL LIFE! I bet they missed their big daddies anyways.

Wow, I actually haven't had time to post in this thread yet because every time I've been on my PC, I've been playing Bioshock. It goes without saying that this is a fantastic game and an example of an industry at it's finest. It seriously did almost everything right, from staying fairly true to System Shock 1 and 2 even though it's just a spiritual successor, to the fantastic story, sound, graphics, and everything else that rocked about the game play. Of course it still had it's flaws, but they were pretty minor in respect to the entire title.

The only real problem I could ever say this game has is that it's too short! Then again, I probably wouldn't have been happy if the game was 40 hours long.

Awesome game overall, with total props to the developer. I'm glad Irrational was able to finally hit it big, even though all of their previous titles deserved much more attention than they received, and they are under a different name now. I'll definitely be playing this one through until I get all the endings. Two more to go!

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Jinn

Just beat it and got this ending!

That's the same ending I got and I reacted exactly the same way. XD

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The only real problem I could ever say this game has is that it's too short! Then again, I probably wouldn't have been happy if the game was 40 hours long.

Yeah, I think in order for the game to have been much longer they would have had to strung things out to the point that it would have started getting a bit silly. But like a really good movie this is one I feel I can come back to and experience multiple times and still enjoy. For one I think I'd approach my next play through in a different way entirely.

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I'll definitely be playing this one through until I get all the endings. Two more to go!

There's two more endings? One is obvious and I can guess how to get the other. Hmm. Cool.

Originally Posted by Plarom

Bioshock definitely deserves it. I don't consider any game to be perfect, but this game provided one of the best experiences I've ever had on my 360.

I consider BioShock to be one of the best experiences I've had on any gaming platform, not just the 360.

On thing I really loved aside from the audio diaries was the world and how joyous it was to explore. I wanted to find the audio diaries because of the story they developed, but also because it meant exploring the whole of this world that at no time felt like they'd cookie-cuttered bits or been lazy.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

There's two more endings? One is obvious and I can guess how to get the other. Hmm. Cool.

actually no there's only 2 ending, a good and a bad one.

and I think exactly like jinn! it was the best experience in a video game I had a in a long time.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Spoiler:

Harm even one Little sister (Harvest), you'll end up getting the bad ending, even if you save the other ones.

I go with the others who said that this is "GOTY" material. Because it is. Now to find the other tapes to piece the story.

FELIPE NO

I beat the game with the bad ending. Now I'm gonna be getting the good ending. Although I've been doing a good chunk of this game offline, so the achievements aren't recording on Live, the new ones I got recently. Although when you are swapping between plasmids at a certain point in the game, it's kinda hard to get the Little Sister because if it switches during the rescuing/harvesting, you'll have to choose again. I've encountered that problem 3 times. It was pissing me off.

How ya doing, buddy?

Well I think that Heavenly Sword and Mass Effect still have good chances of taking GOTY. But hey, I ain't denying BioShock by any means either.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Its a shame Brawl, Crysis and Galaxy are out much later in the year..

I have a question about the endings:

Spoiler:

I assume that no matter what, you end up mauling Andrew Ryan. Is this where the different endings branch off? I ask because I rescued the little sisters all game and I figured that now I'm at their little hideout, its because I rescued them. Save point here and hopefully finishing tomorrow!

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Lukage

Its a shame Brawl, Crysis and Galaxy are out much later in the year..

It's a shame none of them will be better than Bioshock. Only things that could possibly even dethrone it at this point are Ace Combat 6 and Halo 3.

I like how the game really picks up paces after Arcadia. The fetch quest before Ryan was kind of distracting, but overall things have really gotten amped up.

Spoiler:

The part where you had to get Lot 192 before your health ran down was cool. I wanted to explore the whole area so much but I had to sacrifice some rooms and go straight in. I did manage to take down both Big Daddies though, even with lower health.

And now I want my fucking plasmids back. ;_; I feel naked without them.

How ya doing, buddy?

at Lukage for the ending:

Spoiler:

actually no, you are still rescued by the little sister, but they will act differently with you if you have save them or not. Like they will be scared of you if you have harvested them. the only difference of harvesting the little sister or not is the cut-scene you get after beating the last boss.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Guys, I suggest being very wary of this game's DRM. At the very least, I advise being aware of what's going on when it installs.

I've been really looking forward to this game for a long time now, I'm a massive fan of the "Shock" series, but because of this I refuse to buy the game.

Bioshock (BOTH retail and demo versions) installs Securom on your machine without telling you. This puts potentially intrusive and harmful software on your machine. The Bioshock installer also prevents you from installing the game more than a certain number of times. Securom can be quite difficult to remove, but it can be done with some effort.

Because of this shameful breach of trust, I personally advise people to avoid buying or installing the PC version of Bioshock until this issue has been resolved. I suggest finding out about it for yourselves, but here are some starting points:

http://www.ataricommunity.com/forums...d.php?t=605340
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=5805
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41921
http://digg.com/pc_games/Backlash_ag...shock_mounting
http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8703

For uninstalling securom, I had to do a load of searching, but I suggest starting here:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?threadid=203200
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/...les-hard-drive

I was speaking idiomatically.

As a veteran of the SHODAN wars I'm not really all that impressed by the game so far. Maybe I'm getting old, but I really think it's too easy with the respawn mechanic... There's a lot of things I just don't like about it, which is pretty weird, cause I was looking forward to the game since they announced it.
Yes it's pretty. Yes they're telling a nice story. But the game itself isn't that special. At least, to me it isn't. Basically it's the same game as System Shock 2, but with some minor alterations, more heavy on the action side.
I WANT to like it into GotY territory. But I just don't. It's not on my list.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Indeed, it seems that the Bioshock demo and the full version install a rootkit onto your computer. In computer lingo, a rootkit hides itself in your Operating System and re-arranges the code, let's say to make sure it remains embedded. Some rootkits cannot be removed even if your reformat your system.

Apparently a lot of sources are simply calling this a false positive, meaning that it shows up in rootkit scans (and has even alerted AVG antivirus that Bioshock is a giant trojan virus).

While 2K games maintains that it is not a rootkit, they have taken great measures to cover their own assess incase this goes haywire. A rootkit is the WORST thing that could be on your system.

FELIPE NO

Unfortunately, it's not a rootkit. It doesn't hide itself, it doesn't even install itself at the OS level. It's no more of a rootkit than MacAfee.

From here:

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So let's go over it again, real quick. SecuROM, though it is DRM, and onerous, and requires online activation, does not install any device drivers, does not cloak anything, and doesn't allow other programs' files to be cloaked by it. If "installing device drivers" sounds familiar, that's because you're probably thinking about StarForce, which installed itself as a Ring 0 device that basically read everything your devices did.

At Tails:

Spoiler:

Holy SHIT that was the worst part of the game. My entire strategy for killing shit was ruined because I was never able to know if I'd have FIREBALL or BEE SWARM. So annoying.

I do have to admit that BioShock is the best game I have played in a LONG time. The story, the gameplay, everything is so well put together that it practically MAKES you play it in large chunks because you want to know what happens next!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

What I forgot to mention is that it sticks itself in Ring 3 of your OS, which I've also read isn't the most privileged portion at all .

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I fucking love the fear mongering going on. A company tried to protect it's intellectual property, albeit with some extremely poorly thought out DRM, it pops a false positive on RootkitRevealer, and everyone who thinks they know what they're talking about starts screaming bloody murder. This isn't Malware, alright? Jesus.

Yes, the PC install limit sucks, but there's not a lot we can do about it. (Yet, at least. I don't think there's been a work around yet.)

There's nowhere I can't reach.