The Military.

Im always running the idea through my head, but Im not sure how things are gonna work after college. Ive got too much going on right now.

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I'm in the USAF. After being in for 10 months, I finally get to go to my first duty station. I'll be going to Nellis AFB, though I'll be assigned to the 11th recon squadron, which is at Creech AFB. (They're real close to Las Vegas). I'm an E-3 Imagery Analyst. That means that I look at the take from the spy drones, satellites, recon flights, and whatnot and count tanks. I'm going to be going to another 3 month long school as soon as I get to Creech though. I'll be trained as a sensor operator for the Predator UAV. This means I'll sit next to the pilot and operate the camera on the thing, and point the laser at any targets we launch the missiles at. The squadron I'll most likely be assigned to after I finish the training deploys 3-4 months of the year to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Hoorah Intel.

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Was particularly interesting hearing several people mention Robins AFB, and in particular the 5th Combat Comm Group, especially since I'm at said base and part of said unit. I personally help maintain a deployable airfield systems package which keeps aircraft from smashing into each other and lands them safely even when visibility is poor at bare-base locations. We're preparing to do another practice deployment next week, in fact, which is pretty much our mission until we deploy again... train, train, and train some more.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Project X

I'm in the USAF. After being in for 10 months, I finally get to go to my first duty station. I'll be going to Nellis AFB, though I'll be assigned to the 11th recon squadron, which is at Creech AFB. (They're real close to Las Vegas). I'm an E-3 Imagery Analyst. That means that I look at the take from the spy drones, satellites, recon flights, and whatnot and count tanks. I'm going to be going to another 3 month long school as soon as I get to Creech though. I'll be trained as a sensor operator for the Predator UAV. This means I'll sit next to the pilot and operate the camera on the thing, and point the laser at any targets we launch the missiles at. The squadron I'll most likely be assigned to after I finish the training deploys 3-4 months of the year to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Hoorah Intel.

Har har har fun stuff, did you ever find out when you are leaving for your schooling or did you get your flight physical yet?

Hey Parn how long have you been in the service?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Gumby

Kairyu: My buddy seems to think this is a real layed back job were he can fuck around most of the time/drink on the job :/

Well I think that depends more on who his supervisor is rather than the job he applied for .
But compared to the Army's workcenter I would almost say my place is laid back, but I wouldn't go as far and say you can drink while on the job. I never heard of anyone doing that =/.

FELIPE NO

Ok so it is sort of what he has heard. Care to give any inside information that I could pass on to him in his decision in joining the Airforce?

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I don't know where he gets his information from, but since I just finished a 14 hour day with lot more of those on the way after this weekend, I can safely say that the Air Force isn't all fun and games. And it shouldn't be, either.

To answer your earlier question, been in for three years. I enjoy it. PT five times a week and standard military duty hours for me at Robins AFB. Most people here in the 5th CCG cry and whine about PT all the time, especially over the rucksack march, but I think they're lazy pussies. A rucksack march is a walk in the woods. There's some serious irony when you have people in a Combat Communications Group having trouble carrying a 50 pound rucksack. My opinion is that if you can't handle PT, get the fuck out of the military.

I always have too much work and not enough time to do it, which I find to be a good thing since I prefer to stay busy. I practically don't have a supervisor though, since I'm one of the most knowledgable individuals on the equipment. All the sergeants just let me do my thing and never have to ask/tell me to get to work, and knowing that I have that kind of respect is a good feeling.

Unfortunately, they're aiming to cut a lot of people out of the Air Force, and my career field is one of the ones that's having major cuts. Cross training isn't looking all that swell either, so it's looking like I'll have to seperate. Considering the blue-to-green program at this point, and perhaps put my skills to use in the Army. I know I'd make rank faster in the Army at least... we'll see.

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Yeah if you don't mind the PT then the Army wouldn't be that much different... I believe you'd have to go to some small basic training for the Army but it is only like 2-3 weeks, nothing compared to the real deal.

Why would they be cutting you if they think you are so knowledgable? :/ seems counter productive, you'd think they would want to keep the hard workers.

BTW we had people bitching about a 30lb ruck on the 3k, 5k, and 8k forced marches in the Army. People just like to bitch, as long as they do it leave 'em be.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

The cuts are the result of choices made by the officers much further up the chain. The farther up the chain you go, the more politics that are involved. There are a few major things wrong with the way things are currently handled in the Air Force, and I've made my point of view clear each year when they have you fill out those useless climate assessment surveys, but nothing's ever happened.

One of my biggest pet peeves is the EPR system. Airmen are graded on a scale of 1 to 5 on various aspects, and just about everyone gets all 5's, which is lame. Also, entries regarding what individuals have done are put on the EPRs and are extremely vague, which I hate a great deal. For example, I could work my ass off for countless hours helping with equipment setup while another co-worker could pass a tool or two, then sit on his ass all day, yet both of us could have this same bullet on our EPR:

"Assisted in ASR setup, providing air traffic control for an entire air base wing"

And he could justify having said bullet because he passed some tools, and technically, that IS assisting with the setup of the equipment. It's sleezy as fuck though, and it continues to happen all over the Air Force. With EPR bullets emphasized to be vague, this kind of crap will never stop.

The end result is that you have lazy fucks getting the same EPR ratings as the hard workers. The Air Force has to make personnel cuts, so that issue combined with the inability to filter out the lazy garbage from the actual workers who earn their pay, results in valuable personnel being cut.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Insightful. I think some of these problems are common to all of the branches. The Army has its fair share of shitbags and worthless bums but usually at some point they get found out and stuck on shit duties or smoked... either way it is nice to see some punishment inflicted on them.

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Originally Posted by Gumby

Har har har fun stuff, did you ever find out when you are leaving for your schooling or did you get your flight physical yet?

Hey Parn how long have you been in the service?

I'm home on RAP right now, I'll be checking in to Nellis on the 27th. I SHOULD be in the April 10th class. emphasis on the SHOULD.

How ya doing, buddy?

Hurry up and wait? Anyone? Really that is one thing that always really bothered me about the military, the inability to keep deadlines.

Project X: Managed some leave I can see, any idea how often you will be getting that?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I get 30 days of leave a year, how often I can use them, I don't know. I have the RIGHT to 30 days of leave a year. USING them is a privledge. =)
>.<

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Parn

One of my biggest pet peeves is the EPR system. Airmen are graded on a scale of 1 to 5 on various aspects, and just about everyone gets all 5's, which is lame.

It's the same with Army OERs. Over time, the ratings system has become warped beyond belief. Now, if an officer gets unlucky enough to have some old school rater when it comes time for OERs and he receives an accurate, honest score (like a 4, for example) on something as opposed to the blantant lies that most raters are handing out by giving all fives, his career is basically over.

How ya doing, buddy?

Summary of branches:
Airforce: Part of their pft or pfa or whatever the fuck they call it is your waist size... nuff said. Oh and their bootcamp is 6(7?) weeks long... hey let's be cool and say we are hard.
Navy: Too many jokes are possible... so we'll go with: When I was on a frigate based out of Norfolk, I saw a navy chief that was fatter than my grandmother... and she weighs about 350 pounds.
Army: Tons of money, tons of weapons, lacking in lower intestinal fortitude with a slight pinch of "WE'RE THE ARMY" syndrome... Oh and the Rangers aren't hard, they are the <u>exact same thing</u> as the Marine Corps with the exception of the title...
USMC: Stupid, ugly, lethal. Best looking uniforms. Least amount of money, weapons, equipment and full of bitching... and most professional when push comes to shove. No one joins USMC reserves with no expectations of going to war like *cough* the army *cough*.

If you want to be hard, don't pretend to be. If you want some advice before you go to bootcamp, just remember that the worst part is the fuck fuck games and as soon as someone takes charge and leads the rest of the douches and gets some order, they'll fuck up less and you'll push less, unless of course you like the quarterdeck in which case by all means be a sheep and follow.

Oh and don't lock your knees out... and stay hydrated... unless you prefer the silver bullet...

Oh and someone said earlier that they watched the boot grads run 4 miles in 20 minutes... physically impossible. There isn't a boot class <u>on this planet</u> that could run 4 miles in 30 minutes, let alone 20. Just b/c some of em managed to weasel their way through boot, doesn't mean they arent still fat nasties.

Oh and Parn, are you sure you arent a Marine in a chair-nazi's body? You should go through the real blue-green program instead of the blue-[tan] program. If you keep up the bitching about the branch you'll win a medal in the chairforce... and offered a beer in the Corps.

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Originally Posted by tweeter

Summary of branches:
Airforce: Part of their pft or pfa or whatever the fuck they call it is your waist size... nuff said. Oh and their bootcamp is 6(7?) weeks long... hey let's be cool and say we are hard.
Navy: Too many jokes are possible... so we'll go with: When I was on a frigate based out of Norfolk, I saw a navy chief that was fatter than my grandmother... and she weighs about 350 pounds.
Army: Tons of money, tons of weapons, lacking in lower intestinal fortitude with a slight pinch of "WE'RE THE ARMY" syndrome... Oh and the Rangers aren't hard, they are the <u>exact same thing</u> as the Marine Corps with the exception of the title...
USMC: Stupid, ugly, lethal. Best looking uniforms. Least amount of money, weapons, equipment and full of bitching... and most professional when push comes to shove. No one joins USMC reserves with no expectations of going to war like *cough* the army *cough*.

If you want to be hard, don't pretend to be. If you want some advice before you go to bootcamp, just remember that the worst part is the fuck fuck games and as soon as someone takes charge and leads the rest of the douches and gets some order, they'll fuck up less and you'll push less, unless of course you like the quarterdeck in which case by all means be a sheep and follow.

Oh and don't lock your knees out... and stay hydrated... unless you prefer the silver bullet...

Oh and someone said earlier that they watched the boot grads run 4 miles in 20 minutes... physically impossible. There isn't a boot class <u>on this planet</u> that could run 4 miles in 30 minutes, let alone 20. Just b/c some of em managed to weasel their way through boot, doesn't mean they arent still fat nasties.

Oh and Parn, are you sure you arent a Marine in a chair-nazi's body? You should go through the real blue-green program instead of the blue-[tan] program. If you keep up the bitching about the branch you'll win a medal in the chairforce... and offered a beer in the Corps.

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Originally Posted by tweeter

Summary of branches:
Navy: Too many jokes are possible... so we'll go with: When I was on a frigate based out of Norfolk, I saw a navy chief that was fatter than my grandmother... and she weighs about 350 pounds.
Army: Tons of money, tons of weapons, lacking in lower intestinal fortitude with a slight pinch of "WE'RE THE ARMY" syndrome... Oh and the Rangers aren't hard, they are the <u>exact same thing</u> as the Marine Corps with the exception of the title...

Sure, why not, with the exception of two groups you overlooked. SEALs and Delta. They're two of the world's finest special operations groups, I'm pretty sure both of them cross-train with the SAS. Even though these two outfits are not very large parts of the branches, you can't just make sweeping generalizations like that. I interpret what you said as basically "EVERYONE BUT THE MARINE CORPS IS A BUNCH OF PUSSIES HOO-AH GET SOME."

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Marines are cocky because they usually can back up their talk with action. You almost sound like you took his comments personally, heh...

As far as Air Force PT goes since it was brought up, it's a cakewalk. I listen to people bitch and moan about it regularly, and half of the complaints are in regards to the waist measurements being unfair or whatever. 99.9% of the time, these comments are from fat, lazy individuals who make every effort to get out of PT if they can manage it, and regularly down a Big Mac with a side of Diet Coke. 30% of your score is waist measurement. 10% is push-ups, 10% is sit-ups, 50% is your run. I don't know what moron came up with this PT test scoring method, but I'm sure he went to college for four years. I've seen lazy scrawny fucks who make a regular diet out of Little Debbie score higher than a few others who are built like tanks but lose points for not having a super thin waist.

Personally, I missed a perfect score on the test by 9 seconds, running a 9:45 1.5 mile run, which ticks me off since I had tested on a day where it was below freezing two months ago. Felt like needles being jabbed into my lungs, that sucked... if I had run on a day with reasonable weather, I'd have made better time. 57 push-ups and 59 crunches in 60 seconds, respectively. Yeah, I'm tooting my own horn here... but hey. The Air Force gets referred to as the Chair Force for a reason... there's a lot of lazy fucks in it. I pride myself in not being one of them.

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Ok, Harmonica, this is the part where I call you out. You is stupid. Yes, I'm perfectly aware of the SeALs, Delta Force, all the EODs, Green Berets, Force Recon, Commandos, etc the list goes on. Did I mention any of those in there? Nope. I'm perfectly aware of the shit they go through. Now what I was trying to point out before you ass-u-me-d is that the branches in general exhibit these characteristics.

Also don't be a jackass and use the wrong chant if you don't know what it is. The _army_ says Hooah. The Corps says Oorah. Before you make fun of someone, do it right.

And Parn, while I don't really respect your branch or your judgement in choosing braches (hah sorry had to), you seem like at least a semi-intelligent coffee champ.

And yes, Chairforce pt is a cakewalk. I had a roomate in the Airforce and they actually played duck duck goose for PT to build AWARENESS... Yea... all respect for Airforce = dead after that.

Oh and while we're bein thugs, I'll drop down my pt scores ha: 1.5 mile 8:47 - 2 mile: 12:20 - 3 mile: 18:47 - 1 min push: 70 - 2 min push: 105 - pullups: 15 (and yes, elbows fully locked out - 1 didn't count) - 1 minute crunches: 98 - 2 min crunches: 167 - army curlups (2 min): 89.

And yes I have taken every branch's pft. Don't ask why b/c it is way too long of a story.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Not old enough to enlist yet but I'm in Air Cadet right now.

I'm turning 17 in a couple months so I'll submit my application for the Air Force in the near future.
I don't know why I want to enlist - no particular reason besides wanting to be a pilot. And I guess the military is a different path from what asian parents want their kids (especially - short,wimpy looking girls like me) to do (ex. lawyer, engineer, doctor type career) I was surprised they actually said yes.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Shinimegami: You do know that you need to be an office to be a pilot, right?

Hey tweeter, wanna tell everyone where the saying "Jar Head" originally came from?

Harmonica: What are you so butt hurt about? I thought his post was funny. Are you a part of one of those branches he was making fun of? My guess is Army. Am I right?

FELIPE NO

Sure why not champ, since I know you are expecting me to answer this wrong.

Jarhead does NOT come from their haircuts like everyone thinks (with their high and tights, it appears to be a jar with only coloring, hair if you will, on top and clear, stubble if you will, on the sides.

HOWEVER, the real reason they are called jarheads is because of WW2. Now I'm sure plenty of you are going: NUH UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NEENER NEENER NEENER THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT DEVIL DOG CAME FROM!... Ya... you'd be wrong again, that was from Bella Wood (sp?) in WW1 when the Marines showed up and raised absolute Hell and the Germans basically shit themselves and called them Teufelshunde which basically means "Devil Dog".

BACK TO MY MAIN POINT: Jarheads are called Jarheads because they were remarked by other branches (foreign and domestic) to fight with some unparalleled proffesionalism that they more or less put their emotions in a jar and didn't let them out.

And in case anyone else was wondering, Oorah also came from WW2. The Raider's battalions were stationed on submarines (not all obviously) and when a submarine dives, it makes a very loud AAAARRRROOOOOOGGGGGAAAAA noise. The Marines, being natural assholes of course, thought this was funny and would make fun of it by responding to commands and such by saying arooga which later evolved into oorah.

Oorah is NOT a derivative of a Turkish word for "kill" despite popular belief.

Wanna test me a little more champ?

edit: fixed my grammar b/c damn it sucked.

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lol I didn't think you would get it wrong. However there is more than one "right" answer to that question.

Have you been deployed or seen action yet?

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Who said I was in any service?

And there really isn't more than one right. The answer you asked for was where it came from. A description of someone doesn't usually come from several different sources but from one and is later rumored to be from others, as is the case in question...

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My bad, I assumed since you have PT'd with the services that you were in one of them.

There is a reason why people still argue about the source of Jarhead. It did not however come from other countries, Marines got that name from the Navy.

Donkeys? Here is another one... I found a couple others, one involving the leather collars of the old uniforms, "leather neck". I've heard another from an old Navy vet who said that it came from the fact that the marines used to be the people who had to take the admirals piss jar out and throw it overboard. Then again most people believe it comes from the lost of the Marines. As for your explanation, I can not find any support for it. I'd love to see any sources you have for it.

How ya doing, buddy?