[Rumor] Xbox 360 $100 (total) price cut in August

Originally Posted by Guru

/denial

See, Tails, the problem is that you're not realizing that Nintendo has gone and done something that nobody has done before

[14:43] <+Puff> mario kart uses the wii fit pad
[14:43] <+Puff> TRY SNAKING WITH YOUR FEET!!!!!!???!!

excuse me while I laugh at the rest of your post. 360 only appeals to me, got it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Tails

[14:43] <+Puff> mario kart uses the wii fit pad
[14:43] <+Puff> TRY SNAKING WITH YOUR FEET!!!!!!???!!

It'd probably be fun. So people will buy it.

Owned.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Yeah, about as fun as trying to play Ace Combat with a Dance Dance Revolution pad.

and by fun i mean tragic

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tails

Yeah, about as fun as trying to play Ace Combat with a Dance Dance Revolution pad.

and by fun i mean tragic

But people will buy it.

That's my point.

(also tails sucks).

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I see you have clearly outwitted the boundaries of logic, good sir. I am speechless at your overpowering prowess and command of the use of your gray matter.

Might I inquire as to where I could get some of the drugs you're on?

FELIPE NO

Ok, we have officially concluded that Tails' opinion on what is cool > sales statistics, market strategy and basic economics.

Competition is good for the gamer. These price cuts are a result of competition. Is there any more way I can plainly say this?

Wait, here comes the retort (lol wii sux who cares if it's creating competition).

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Guru is right, people love gimmicky crap, so the millions who bought a Wii to play Wii Sports at parties will probably also get Wii Fit to pretend they're exercising. The question is, will those people buy more than three or four other games during the Wii's lifetime.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Probably not. However, I am HIGHLY ANTICIPATING 1-18-08 when Gurus prediction of the Wii TAKING OVER NORTH AMERICA comes true?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Aardark

Guru is right, people love gimmicky crap, so the millions who bought a Wii to play Wii Sports at parties will probably also get Wii Fit to pretend they're exercising. The question is, will those people buy more than three or four other games during the Wii's lifetime.

Well, that does remain to be seen. But it's hard to argue that Nintendo has had absolutely nothing to do with the price cuts that we're seeing from Microsoft and Sony.

And all of this is good for the gaming community.

Additional Spam:

Originally Posted by Tails

Probably not. However, I am HIGHLY ANTICIPATING 1-18-08 when Gurus prediction of the Wii TAKING OVER NORTH AMERICA comes true?

All it takes is looking at some projected sales statistics. It's not like I'm pulling this information out of my ass. Why don't you look at some sales figures?

The Wii is a huge phenomenon, and trying to deny that is pretty silly.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Sorry to interrupt the line of thought, but is there any credible source that has information on a price cut (i.e. when, how much, etc.)? I was just about to buy one yesterday when I saw this thread, and now I'm happy I saw it, but I'm bummed out cause I really want it NOW.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Matt

rant:

This whole next-gen Sony/MS thing has been a debacle since it began. PS3 is shit, and the 360 still has little to offer...but at least when Mass Effect and Bioshock come out, it'll have something. Oh hey, that only took 2 fucking years.

At least Nintendo got with the program and did something different that sets them apart. The developers haven't caught on yet though, which sucks. But at least the Wii has more great games in its first year than the 360 and PS3. *shrug

You say that like every previous system hasn't had a lousy selection throughout the first year or so. I don't exactly remember that many A List titles when the PS2 launched. When I first got mine, I basicly only used it for PS1 games and Dynasty Warriors.

Originally Posted by Tails

Could you be on Japans nuts any harder. I don't see how being the "cheapest" benefits if the novelty of the console wears off after a few hours.

Thing is, the system doesn't have to be about the novelty. Developers have the choice of utilyzing the classic controller or the gamecube controller as well. Fact is ports from other systems should allow regular controllers since they weren't developed with the Wiimote in mind, but not many developers seem to get it. Not to mention, I'm sure their are plenty of "hardcore gamers" that want to download games they grew up with off the Virtual Console.

On a side note, if this does happen... damn. I just bought a 360.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

Thing is, the system doesn't have to be about the novelty. Developers have the choice of utilizing the classic controller or the gamecube controller as well. Fact is ports from other systems should allow regular controllers since they weren't developed with the Wiimote in mind, but not many developers seem to get it. Not to mention, I'm sure their are plenty of "hardcore gamers" that want to download games they grew up with off the Virtual Console.

but releasing a game on the wii without using the wiimote is almost like releasing a game on the DS that use only one screen and no touch screen. Just look at reviews on the ds where games didn't use much the second screen and people are complaining about not using enough of the touch screen or the use of a second screen... I already can see people complaining about a game not using enough the wiimote. hell, it already happen with mario party 8 where people complain about to much mini-games not using the wiimote...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Inhert

but releasing a game on the wii without using the wiimote is almost like releasing a game on the DS that use only one screen and no touch screen. Just look at reviews on the ds where games didn't use much the second screen and people are complaining about not using enough of the touch screen or the use of a second screen... I already can see people complaining about a game not using enough the wiimote. hell, it already happen with mario party 8 where people complain about to much mini-games not using the wiimote...

If you are a person who is only going to buy one console, and you have three consoles to choose from, you're going to choose the one that has the features you are most interested in. Maybe it is the Xbox Live service, or the unique control method on the Wii, or whatever PS3 has, Blu-ray I guess. Well, if you get the 360 because of Live, and you get a game that doesn't utilize Live, you will be disappointed that it doesn't use the main feature that you were looking for. If you get a Wii for the controls, and the game doesn't make use of the unique controls, you will be disappointed. I guess for PS3, if a new movie doesn't get released on Blu-ray, you will be disappointed {obviously PS3 is different because its main selling point for me was not game related}.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Forsety

It won't happen anyway. I'll try to scrounge up a link, but when asked about a price cut retort to the "price cut" (clearance sale?) of the PS3 they said they wouldn't be making one. It's still cheaper anyway, it doesn't need one and they are finally breaking even with console manufacturing costs so I don't see why they'd want to dig themselves back into a position where console sold = money lost when people are still gobbling them up even at the current price.

If it turns out to be true, then great for people who don't already own one I suppose but I severely doubt it will happen at any rate.

I remember reading an article on GameSpot with some exec. in Microsoft's Game Division -- hell, it might've been Peter Moore before his departure -- who said that there would be no price cut.

Dropping the price after extending the warranty makes Microsoft look like they're admitting to faulty, unreliable hardware, and that's not PR they want floating around for analysts and share holders to get a hold of.

Lawl I'm way off the current discussion. Oh well.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by russ

If you are a person who is only going to buy one console, and you have three consoles to choose from, you're going to choose the one that has the features you are most interested in.

This time around (i.e. console generation) I don't think their will be too many single console owners, especially if you consider the expansion of PC gaming. As far as which console someone'll buy first, I'll support your opinion and say that yeah, you buy based on the one with the most features. More to the point, games are a feature of the system, and people generally buy the systems according to the games they wanna play, be it by title, genre, or whatever else you can factor in.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Guru

The Wii is a huge phenomenon, and trying to deny that is pretty silly.

Of course it is, and I don't really see anyone denying it in this thread. I am just not sure whether the current price cut rumors have anything to do with Nintendo's Wii in general. I don't think that Microsoft fears that people who would buy a 360 buy a Wii instead because it's cheaper. Same for Sony and potential PS3 buyers. It's simply a different league. If you want a next-generation HD console, you don't really have a choice between 360 and Wii or PS3 and Wii.

However, I would never buy a Wii because I think that it is an extremely homosexual console that actually makes people think they're gonna lose weight by jumping around in their living rooms, waiving with some input device that looks like a dildo and playing games that look like they're imported from PSX. If you wanna be cool, trendy and hip, I guess you should buy a Wii. If you wanna own a good gaming console, you shouldn't. Also: No kidding Nintendo is making a fortune, I don't even want to know how high the production costs actually are. My guess would be something like 50 bucks.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Inhert

but releasing a game on the wii without using the wiimote is almost like releasing a game on the DS that use only one screen and no touch screen. Just look at reviews on the ds where games didn't use much the second screen and people are complaining about not using enough of the touch screen or the use of a second screen... I already can see people complaining about a game not using enough the wiimote. hell, it already happen with mario party 8 where people complain about to much mini-games not using the wiimote...

Anyone who enjoys Marvel Ultimate Alliance while being forced to use the Wiimote has more patience then a saint. My point is I love games that are specifically made for the Wiimote, but do not force me to use it for a game where it hinders the gameplay. Midway had enough sense to allow regular controls for Mortal Kombat: Armageddon, regardless of whether or not people want to say the game sucks at least they had some sense. Also my point wasn't that they should disable the use of the Wiimote, simply give you the option of which you want to use.

The Wiimote is also not quiet the same as the touch screen, seeing as how that's a whole screen on the handheld that's going to waste if you don't use it. Not to mention the touch screen leaves alot less room for error then having to swing the Wiimote a certain way for EVERYTHING.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Tails

Could you be on Japans nuts any harder. I don't see how being the "cheapest" benefits if the novelty of the console wears off after a few hours.

Yes, clearly recognizing that Japan is where Sony and Nintendo are based, and where they sell their merchandise first, and where they base the majority of their profits off, means I'm "on their nuts".

It's cheap so people will buy it. Parents will buy it for their kids. Kids will be able to afford it. Teenagers will too. It doesn't have very many games at the moment, but it's still something people will enjoy that others haven't.

Ask any kid or teenager if they were interested in the Wii, which is most affordable, the cheapest, has VC, and has a lot of easy/anime/cartoonish games, which is the cheapest console, and which has recently been released, and they'll identify and go for the Wii.

If you want to get really fussy about it, it doesn't matter what games the Wii has because once it's sold from the store to the customer, Nintendo make a profit. Nintendo will continue to make profits from selling consoles, even if people aren't making use of them, or playing them. Sony and Microsoft are not.

The people who ARE making use of them, haven't finished games which others have. Like TP.

Your comments demonstrate you really don't get it. You are the type of gamer who is only satisfied with AAA titles of epic proportions. Your list is probably filled with games like Lair, Mass, Effect, Too Human, Bioshock, Halo, Haze, or a million other epic fantasy or shooters. You're the type who would say the "TP is the only good game on Wii and its a gamecube game LOL".

People like that don't "get" the wii. Most gamers don't need big budget mega-games that are hyped for 3 years. They don't even know what a AAA title is. They see a game on a system that looks interesting and they buy it and either they like it or they don't.

They don't read reviews, and they don't know if the game they bought is a port. I know, it's hard to imagine, but that's the average gamer on the Wii (and the PS2 for that matter). I used to be hardcore, I used to care if something was a port or if there was exclusive content on my system. Now, I just like games to be fun on whatever system I own.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Elixir

Ask any kid or teenager if they were interested in the Wii, which is most affordable, the cheapest, has VC, and has a lot of easy/anime/cartoonish games, which is the cheapest console, and which has recently been released, and they'll identify and go for the Wii.

Well yeah of course they do, I mean, if I was 13/M/CA, I would go for the Wii as well, but you know, the older you get, the more ambitious you become

I was speaking idiomatically.

Whatever, you both know that if you ask nearly any 12 year old boy what his favorite game is, you'll hear a whole hell of a lot more Bungie-shooter 2 than some Zelda crap. You ask almost any 12 year old boy what games he is looking forward to and you will hear Bungie-shooter 3 and GTA 4, not Mario Party 41 or Ace Attorney 3 or tooned-up-jap-disco-ball-4.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Umm so what? I mean, are you trying to say that it's the group of retirees that Wii has to care about or what?

FELIPE NO

Ohh, rumored price drop? Nice... either way, I think I'm getting my 360 next month, so a drop would be convenient. I'm already late for All Pro and NCAA Football 08, but this year I definitely gotta get dat Madden. Right, Tails?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Well until someone can name me 10 original BIG 3rd party games for the Wii, and first party games outside of '07 then I'll believe that the system will be more then a 1 year fad.

In the mean time it's a fun system that keeps me busy during 360 repair periods. It's also the system appealing to kids and soccer-moms, while ignoring thoes who got Nintendo to where they are today.

-> Back to topic though. I still say that a price drop can only be good for sales, but it's definately going to put MS in a rugh financial spot when they're already in the hole almost 2Billion dollars, and they're the market leader.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Since we're off topic, the reason the Wii is competition is because developers are going to follow what sells well. If Nintendo sold a pile of shit that you put a disk into, they'd make games to shove in the poo.

If the PSP suddenly sells a bajillion and the DS's get returned and sold back in alarming numbers, more PSP games will be coming out for there.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

That's mostly what my problem with the Wii is. The system is a great money maker, but it has yet to really move the industry in any forward direction. Other then a couple well designed games, 90% of Wii games are ports and cash ins. The PS3/360 may right now only be moving us in a better graphics direction, but at least it's going somewhere that benefeits the gamers.

Really all Nintendo did with the Wii is made you buy a second GameCube and a new periphriel. Which is good for the bottom line, but doesn't really rejuvinate the market for any long term benefeits.

Don't take me the wrong way though, I'm glad that more people are getting into gaming which helps bring things more main stream unlike the PS3/360, however for thoes who've been playing these things since the NES days or earlier, Nintendo really have yet to bring anything other then the big four to the table for us. Really makes me feel shunted by them.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.