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Your post above was going well Rain. But you remind me of a guy in a fistfight that wants to stop fighting and yells "stop, no more" and then punches the dude in the face as he retreats. Stop being passive aggressive.

Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet

Perhaps I'm missing something, here, but I have a question. The prophecy says that Anakin would "bring balance". Do fans believe it that he was the Chosen One, but that he fucked up (as Obi-Wan did)? I always thought that he brought balance by helping Palpatine slaughter every Jedi except Obi-Wan and Yoda (2 Sith, two Jedi). But sometimes, fans say otherwise. I keep thinking maybe it was or maybe it wasn't, until RotJ's storyline. At the end, only Luke remains (not counting his sister). So, how in the world could that be the fulfillment of the prophecy? It would mean the light side was the prevailing power in a supposedly balanced universe.

I just felt the prophecy wasn't explained as well as it could have been, aside from Obi-Wan's speech beside the lava river.

While the "only anakin, palpatine, yoda and obi wan remaining means balance was brought" theory is kinda fun, it's unrealistic to believe Order 66 completely wiped out the Jedi... Even if it did seem they were low on available Jedi to act as generals. I believe the generally accepted explanation is that Anakin fulfilled his part inthe prophecy when he destroyed Palpatine and allowed Luke to live, since, as Yoda asked, Luke was the last hope of someone restarting a Jedi Order (and, hopefully, a more in sync version). "Balance" doesn't necessarily have to mean balance in the sense of Good and Bad being two necessary facts of life. More as in balance means "harmony." And the force can be in harmony when it doesn't have Dark Sith wrecking havok.

Haley Joel Osment would have been sick. Damn. And Qui Gon couldn't show up for the third film because he had broken his leg skiing around the available time. Something like that. Jesus, I'm in no condition t post right now.

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Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

And Qui Gon couldn't show up for the third film because he had broken his leg skiing around the available time. Something like that.

I think it was he hit a deer while riding his motorcycle in Connecticut and broke his ass.

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Yeah, I get my celebrity sporting accidents mixed sometimes. Probably got that one from the Sonny Bono ride. Of course, riding a motorcycle is about as much a sport as his accident was a deer hunt.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Meh. Actors these days. Mark Hamill was nearly burned alive in a car wreck before the filming of Empire Strikes Back. What'd he do? Sucked it up and had some nads, for one thing. They rewrote the script to include an explanation for Hamill's extensive facial changes.

Liam Neeson's car hit a deer and he couldn't even make a simple appearance? I don't give a shit. Bring in the cripple! Write in a scenario in which Qui Gon gets his kneecaps busted by Yoda for being a drunk Irishmen. (Yes I realize the irony of such a statement) Let Qui Gonn roam around in a wheelchair, stabbing people's eyeballs out and stomping assholes. That would've made Episode III at least worth watching.

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Your post above was going well Rain. But you remind me of a guy in a fistfight that wants to stop fighting and yells "stop, no more" and then punches the dude in the face as he retreats. Stop being passive aggressive.

It is not a fight that I started and I simply was letting him know that I wasn't in the mood. At first I was indifferent to taking this thread seriously but I have a slight inclination towards both distraction and anger if provocation occurs. Simply, the guy was itching to make an attack on what he considered to be an "unfair" opinion that he didn't happen to agree with and then started becoming rather peevesome.

He threw a cheap shot and I took my time reciprocating in turn. Its nothing more profound than that, I'm afraid.

FELIPE NO

You can be spouting 100% wisdom right now but it doesn't change the fact that you're egging him on and, potentially, provoking another round. Unless that's what you actually want, of course.

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Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

it doesn't change the fact that you're egging him on and, potentially, provoking another round. Unless that's what you actually want, of course.

...It might be! I am sorry if it seems that I am an asshole...but I am. (Selectively of course.) I resent people who believe that they live in an imaginary bubble of inaccurate, self-inflation. I am actually a fairly reasonable person unless trifled...then I make it a habit to be a bubble popper.

Sorry if I am creating unnecessary headaches for you. I'll make an attempt to be a peacemaker in the thread from now on.

Cheers

Ryan

Jam it back in, in the dark.

"I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were a way to make movies without actors, George (Lucas) would do it."--Mark Hamill

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Originally Posted by RainMan

...It might be!

You know that explicitly makes you the troll, right?

Originally Posted by BucPride

I, too, would love to see some sort of adaptation of The New Jedi Order books.

Star Wars novels, with few exceptions, are terrible. I'd just as soon the EU novels be left out of official continuity. The Yuuzhan Vong was just a retarded idea from the start. Don't even get me started on the emperor's retarded flying son with lightsabers in all his joints.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Mark Hamill was nearly burned alive in a car wreck before the filming of Empire Strikes Back.

It was a highway accident immedeately after filming the pilot for "Eight Is Enough", days after Star Wars opened in theaters.

He needed plastic surgery - but its no where near as bad as the internet makes it sound.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Liam Neeson's car hit a deer and he couldn't even make a simple appearance?

Motorcycle, not car. Hence the extent of his injuries.

Originally Posted by RainMan

It is not a fight that I started and I simply was letting him know that I wasn't in the mood.

Yet you're still acting like an ambulatory cock in this thread. Stop it.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Simply, the guy was itching to make an attack on what he considered to be an "unfair" opinion that he didn't happen to agree with...

I find it very bolstering that you see your uninformed opinion as "unfair". Maybe you CAN be taught...

Originally Posted by RainMan

He threw a cheap shot and I took my time reciprocating in turn. Its nothing more profound than that, I'm afraid.

So you willfully trolled the thread repeatedly, despite my giving you an out three times?

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Originally Posted by Monkey King

Don't even get me started on the emperor's retarded flying son with lightsabers in all his joints.

Is that from the awful Dark Empire comic series? Where Luke temporarily falls to the dark side to serve this "reborn" emperor, then only to find out he was pretending the whole time?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Cellius

Is that from the awful Dark Empire comic series?

Correction.

Dark Empire was fair.

Dark Empire 2 was bad.

Pretty much every Star Wars comic following that was terrible.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Dark Empire's the only Star Wars comic I own.

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emperor's retarded flying son with lightsabers

I don't even want to know what that's about.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Dark Empire was fair.

Fine. But I still think Luke faking everyone out by not really turning to the dark side was pure shit. AND it forced KJ Anderson to restructure his story for the Jedi Academy Trilogy, which I happened to enjoy, even though that has its fair share of haters too.

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I wish I had my comic here with me but wasn't it implied early on that Luke did it, like Anakin, so that he could get in a better position to destroy Palpatine's clone? The suspense lies in the audience thinking "shit, he went too far and now he actually is using the Dark side."

I love most of the books, probably because I'm such a blind Star Wars fan. The ones that were sort of trash were the Black Fleet series. Shadows of the Empire was cool though.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

I wish I had my comic here with me but wasn't it implied early on that Luke did it, like Anakin, so that he could get in a better position to destroy Palpatine's clone? The suspense lies in the audience thinking "shit, he went too far and now he actually is using the Dark side."

Yeah but that whole concept completely spits in the face of Yoda saying "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." The comic made it seem like it's just switching it on and off, which trivialized turning to the dark side.

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I love most of the books, probably because I'm such a blind Star Wars fan. The ones that were sort of trash were the Black Fleet series. Shadows of the Empire was cool though.

I for some reason enjoyed the Black Fleet Crisis. It was a departure from normal Star Wars plots, but I found it oddly refreshing. I hated the garbage by Barbara Hambly though... whatever titles she wrote.

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Children of the Jedi was it? The whole Callista thing was badly handled. (I guess convos like this might as well be considered on topic here). What I didn't like about the BF series was the pacing and certain elements: Like that broad helping Luke find his mother and just fucking him off in the end. The Black Fleet being used was pretty nice though.

What Yoda says can often be seen as a contradiction.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Cellius

AND it forced KJ Anderson to restructure his story for the Jedi Academy Trilogy

I don't see how - since DE was released in 1991 (meaning it was probably being written in 1990), while KJA's crap was done three or four years after.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

I don't see how - since DE was released in 1991 (meaning it was probably being written in 1990), while KJA's crap was done three or four years after.

There's an interview with Anderson in one of the very early Star Wars Insiders where he says he was on the phone with Tom Veitch - author of Dark Empire - and he said that he had to change most of the beginning of Jedi Search, because Veitch planned to leave Coruscant in ruins. Dark Empire ends essentially where Jedi Search picks up.

Not only that, but in Vision of the Future, Zahn basically expresses his distate for the Dark Empire story by giving Luke lines like "yeah I was an idiot and didn't know what I was thinking."

How ya doing, buddy?

Don't forget the Dark Empire "Epilogue" - Empire's End, where Palpatine attempts to inhabit the body of Leia's baby Anakin because all his clones are dead.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Cellius

There's an interview with Anderson in one of the very early Star Wars Insiders where he says he was on the phone with Tom Veitch - author of Dark Empire - and he said that he had to change most of the beginning of Jedi Search, because Veitch planned to leave Coruscant in ruins. Dark Empire ends essentially where Jedi Search picks up.

Blame LucasLicensing for allowing Veitch to do that.

Not to mention, KJA isnt exactly the most... mature of sci-fi authors. More than once he's struck back at people who (rightfully) chastize his books.

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Originally Posted by LeHah

Blame LucasLicensing for allowing Veitch to do that.

Okay, I do.

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Not to mention, KJA isnt exactly the most... mature of sci-fi authors. More than once he's struck back at people who (rightfully) chastize his books.

It's been years since I read the trilogy; I read Jedi Search before the other two sequels were even published... I just remember enjoying them at the time. What sort of things has he said to critics??

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Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet

I hate not having a library nearby. I'm 4 books behind in the Legacy of the Force series. Basically, Episode 3 30 years later again.

Man, I haven't read jackshit since 2001. It was an early book in the Yuuzhan Vong series, when Han met that weird creature friend he saved from some space disaster.

I remember when KJA wrote about Mara Jade and Lando being together, an implication anyway. Then comes Zahn again to restore respect to his character. =O

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Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

I remember when KJA wrote about Mara Jade and Lando being together, an implication anyway.

Anderson is probably the worst repeat offender of the Star Wars writers. All of his material is overblow, nonsensical and childish.

"Its not the Death Star - its the SUN CRUSHER!"
"Kyp's lightsaber is TWICE AS LONG!"
"Despite the Emperor's bigotry towards women THERES A YOUNG FEMALE ADMIRAL WORKING AT A SECRET MILITARY INSTALLATION"

Fucking UGH. Its like fanfiction except he makes money off of it.

How ya doing, buddy?

I remember at the end of one of his books, probably one of the Jedi Search ones, it vaguely mentioned a woman secretly escaping from the Star Destroyer she was in in a losing battle. It seemed to be a loose end KJA was leaving behind to cover in another book but I never really got closure on that. I wonder if that's the Admiral you're talking about.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by LeHah

"Kyp's lightsaber is TWICE AS LONG!"

That was Gantoris, and he died quickly anyway.

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"Despite the Emperor's bigotry towards women THERES A YOUNG FEMALE ADMIRAL WORKING AT A SECRET MILITARY INSTALLATION"

That was mostly due to the amount of clout Tarkin had. He pulled a lot of strings to get her there, and even then she was relegated to the middle of a black hole cluster, out of the way of everything. Why aren't you complaining about Thrawn, since Palpatine had an equal bias against non-humans? Just because Thrawn kicked ass?

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Fucking UGH. Its like fanfiction except he makes money off of it.

I'm not necessarily defending this trilogy because I love it. I don't. I just thought they were decent.

Originally Posted by Omi-Cron Kenobi

I remember at the end of one of his books, probably one of the Jedi Search ones, it vaguely mentioned a woman secretly escaping from the Star Destroyer she was in in a losing battle. It seemed to be a loose end KJA was leaving behind to cover in another book but I never really got closure on that. I wonder if that's the Admiral you're talking about.

This loose end is wrapped up (kind of neatly, if I remember?) in Darksaber.

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