Global Warming

Lets throw out my own personal thoughts....Pheonix and Gechmir summed up the rational points nicely...no need to repeat them.

Ahh global warming.....an irrational fear created by modern Druidic idiots...now used as popular propoganda garbage that spreads because "caring sells".

Ultimatly, i ask you...so *****ing what? So what if the earth gets warmer? So what if the oceans rise a few feet making some realestate worthless? It isnt going to happen overnight (dont you dare point to storms/hurricanes and say they are the "result of global warming").

"Many" are displaced (very very gradually) by slowly rising ocean tides and are forced to live else where? Who cares? Thats happened before...its happening now...and it will happen again and again in the future.

So what if some crops/plants find a new slightly warmer climate more agreeable while others find it less so? Some niches retract and shrink while others thrive and grow?

So what if over hundreds of years we get minor compositional changes in earths atmosphere.

Change over time is not a problem. Gives you alot of time to adapt and experiment. Catastrophic change/rapid destruction of productive landscape through negligence (chem spills, carelessly releasing what is judged to be harmful amounts of hazerdous substances, etc) is a problem...and should be punished. Through punishment, you can prevent it from happening again on the scale it once did.

We will endure, we will adapt, and we will thrive....no matter what ecological diversity we face resulting from minor increases in the Earths overall temperature.

Meanwhile, feel free to continue living in fear of the supernatural terrors created by those seeking power and enforced by those seeking profit. Continue to judge (openly or privatly) the habits and vices of your fellow citizens and force "what you know is best" on them through collectivism. Continue to point out the "ecological injustice" of their actions, and try to instill the "Fear of God"\Mother Earth\Supernatural terror you have constructed in your mind. Do this while you silently mock their irrational belief in an imaginary God too for good measure. After all, they're fools for believing in something SOOO silly.


What "you people" fear is laughable.


I'm perfectly confidant that i could survive (and thrive) in any of the "post-global warming" scenarios the "experts" throw out. Hell...in most of them when you get down to it things arn't really any different from the way they are now.
The potential difficulties created by a the earths magnetic field weaking (leading to potential for magnetic switching/rapid reorientation) seem more challenging...and that is something we will eventually have to face...Will it be annoying? Yes...but its not doomsday "Day After Tomorrow" stuff.



There are plenty of forces in this world that you should fear...forces intent on disrupting/destroying the essential economic foundations of the civilization that spawned you.
When that happens, will you be ready? Are you capable of surviving a long term breakdown in the social contract (at worst), or a major economic depression that makes the 1930s look good (at best)?

Are you prepared? Are your children/loved ones prepared? Do you have a plan? Have you thought about things like this at all? Things like the political, economic, and literal fallout resulting from the nuclear destruction of a major city. These are the things you should fear (in my personal opinion) and should actively seek to prevent...and plan for...these are the things that will shape your future and your childrens future.

You may die instantly due to pesky bad luck (thems the breaks...pray its over quick)...or your plan may be runied by something you failed to account for...but chances are swift and decisive planned action will leave you better off when it comes to competiting with someone who wastes alot of time standing around dazed and confused.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Killeraoc: The changes are much more substantial than that. First, the cost of relocating all the people who live at coastal communities (which is a huge chunk of them) would be astronomical. Second, it would effect every industry across the board. Already, here in Michigan, the Cherry Industry is seriously hurt because Grand Traverse Bay no longer freezes over to create a growing environment. Skiing establishments across the nation have been having poorer seasons than average lately as well. As time passes on, the effect on agriculture and industry will be even more profound.

And "minor" changes - do you have any idea how much energy it takes to raise the Earth's atmosphere by a degree? It's no small number.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Poorly thought out response...fails to address or take into account things stated in my post.

Oh, so these are the "substantial" changes that result from global warming?

This is what you fear?

Thats pathetic. Pathetic.

Look at what you just wrote....LOOK AT IT!!!! You fear that? You think we should spend trillions of dollars and give up economic choice to a central authority to make sure your precious cherry trees always grow under optimal conditions? Truely humanity is doomed in this bleak future of yours.

"Astronomical" eh? So are you implying that this "mass relocation of all costal communities" (nice big IF assumption right there) is going to be done all at once at the governments will/disgression and on its dime? Not in my country. Thats not an America I will be a part of. In reality, if any relocation occured...it would resemble something like...say the relocation that would occur if the entire Michigan cherry industry went belly up (and for some unfathomable reason wasnt instantly replaced with some new crop)

"Effect every industry across the board" - you list 2 examples cherry trees and ski industries...to which i respond grow something else if your not happy with your cherry output. Grow something a little less...delicate...or make a new hybrid tree (done all the time) thats capable of facing ecological diversity.

Skiing industries - Invest in snowmaking. (back that snowfall data up with some actual facts...and i mean hard facts not inflated/deflated base numbers that resorts post). I am an avid skiier...you have good seasons and you have bad seasons....sometimes you get lucky and those storms coming up from the gulf dump 2 feet on ya...sometimes they pass you by alltogether....rocky mountain weather is extremely unpredictable.

You also seem to make the assumption that it would negatively effect all industries...i myself see a world of new opportunities springing up (especially if that "relocation" you described actually happened...possibilities are boundless there).

Effects on agriculture even more profound - I stated it in my post - Some plants would LOVE a warmer climate...they would thrive....some not so much...they dont do as well in tradition areas...new hybrids are made to solve the problem...overall impact = moot. Ultimatly, one degree average difference isnt going to make or break a crop. Every crop grown faces a large spectrum of temperatures from year to year (unusually cold/hot). Its not like you would see large scale agricultural failure (something you might see if the earths average temperature suddenly dropped 6 degrees C for the next 10 years...most plants take warming with ease...frost is the real killer).

So thats the post-apocatlyptic "Day After Tomorrow" future of global warming....you can expect MUCH worse then that 15-20 years down the road.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Arainach

Skiing establishments across the nation have been having poorer seasons than average lately as well.

Show me some real stats here cause otherwise you're just spoutin' off. Last season was fucking awesome.

I think we should do a bit more homework about this before jumping to a trillion dollar conclusion. I think people are attracted to the idea of global warming because of the romanticism associated with dying in a global national disaster. Personally, I'd rather be at ground zero under a 50 mega-ton warhead.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?