V for Vendetta

This movie reminds me of the book 1984. Nevertheless, it also looks really cool too. Those some may say since Wachowski brothers are involved, it may be shit. We'll see tomorrow. I'm definately going to go watch this tomorrow.

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It's actually based off of a comic book, isn't it?
Anyway, I think it'll be good. It looks highly interesting at least. Watched a preview thing of it tonight. Yay Hugo Weaving.

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I saw the movie last night actually.

I didn't know it was a comic book or anything like that until I was actually watching it and the credits for "DC comics" showed up.

The movie, I thought was amazing. It had me interested the entire way though always making me wonder what the hell was coming up next. The action scenes I thought were amazing and the effects were great also. I am going again to see it with friends on Saturday. I loved the Movie.

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Yeah, it's a comic book from Alan Moore, who is quite possibly the best writer in comics.

I can't wait to watch the movie on Friday. I thought about going to the midnight show, but decided not to. I hope it destroys all my expectations.

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Wow...I can't wait to see this, either. It's so nice to see a revival in comics/sequential art/graphic novels other than the 'mainstream' stuff (like Superman, Spider-Man, etc) -- even if it's just to make some money off of the box office. The main thing is, it revives interest in the source material.

And Alan Moore. God. It's so funny that most the people I talk to have no idea that it's based on a comic. Oh well...now they'll know. I'm definitely going to see this, along with the Libertine.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Just saw this last nigth and it was indeed very cool. Probally the Most story in a comic book movie I have seen, and it was a good one.

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I recently read the comic in its entirety in anticipation of the movie, and I fear that I now have a concrete understanding of the source material, that the Wachowski Brothers will gay it up.

I've also heard a lot of conflicting information about the movie from incompetent newsvendors, such as that the setting is based on the premise that the Nazis won World War 2, or that the movie is based around V's plot to blow up the Houses of Parliament. I don't think I have to tell you that these are false concerning the source material.

At best, I'm expecting it to be dumbed down.

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I've read the book, it is one of the best graphic novel ever made and its up there with Watchman (Alan Moore loves the drafts from David Hayter's one). I'll be seeing it this weekend.

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Actually Alan Moore dissociated himself from the movie and called the script "imbecilic" and full of plot holes. I love Moore's work and I'm considering to avoid this movie as I did with the White Wolf rip-off that was Underworld.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus XIII

Actually Alan Moore dissociated himself from the movie and called the script "imbecilic" and full of plot holes. I love Moore's work and I'm considering to avoid this movie as I did with the White Wolf rip-off that was Underworld.

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Nope, but they found enough striking similarities to the Cainite/Garou scenario featured in their intellectual property to file a lawsuit against Sony. It got settled out of court, I believe.

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Originally Posted by Faust 72

Alan Moore loves the drafts from David Hayter's one

Link please?

Generally, Alan Moore has no want of Hollywood and no say in what the script looks like. All his stories have been butchered by Hollywood this far - Leauge Of Extraordinary Gentlemen, From Hell - and I doubt "V" will be any different.

Last I heard, they were forced to change the end of Watchmen because of the events of 9/11. I don't think Moore would like that too much - this is the guy who told D*C Comics to fuck off when they wanted to do a Watchmen Aniversary promotion. (Mind you, he doesn't decry the movie considering the check they cut for him - but he distances himself as far from the movie as he can)

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Originally Posted by Cyrus XIII

Nope, but they found enough striking similarities to the Cainite/Garou scenario featured in their intellectual property to file a lawsuit against Sony. It got settled out of court, I believe.

Another link would be helpful for me too...

I was speaking idiomatically.

How are the political messages, though?

I've heard it's pro-terrorist / anti-Bush / anti-America.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

I've heard it's pro-terrorist / anti-Bush / anti-America.

Keep in mind that "V For Vendetta" was written to oppose the British Right in the 1980s. Back then, they were people in office who wanted to put people with AIDS into camps and to quash homosexuality. Moore's response was this story - he saw the... "Orwellian" (ugh) aspects of the present day and wrote something as a warning.

Obviously, the fact that the movie comes out now, it'll be read as anti-Bush. But the Wachowski's originally pitched this movie before they pitched The Matrix. If "V For Vendetta" came out during the Clinton Administration, what would the inference be then?

Anything can be misconstrued - it's easier than to bother thinking about it. People on the internet are now trying to tell me that the Rebel Alliance is a terrorist group. See, it's all a matter of timing - and inadvertently, how stupid people are.

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Actually, the whole situation with the states can be explained through Star Wars.

Empire = US
Rebels = Everybody else.

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Originally Posted by Locke

Empire = US
Rebels = Everybody else.

Well, thats incredibly invalid for dozens of reasons. Here's some you probably didn't bother considering before vomiting all over the thread like the town drunkard leaning up against a wall in an alleyway.

*You can just as easily say that the Empire is the British Military and the Rebels the American Army and its an alagory for the American Revolution. Or any number of combinations of Government versus Uprising scenarios that have happened countlessly through the ages.

*America has never been facist. At worst we've been controversial like we are now but theres none of the outright facist snobery nor the gunboat diplomacy that the Empire has. While I do not agree with much of the Bush Administration's policy on... well, anything - too many world-stupid college students and ignorant housewives cry out for Bush to do something without even bothering to look at a picture bigger than themselves.

*It's easy to pigeonhole current events into such a metaphor. Thats the reason that Star Wars is such a universally understood story. I mean, you could use any number of Item A versus Item B - You could say that the Empire is "Great Taste" and the Rebellion is "Less Filling" and have it still be apt. That kind of renders your point completely moot.

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The Galactic Empire? Oh please ... what's next, Nazi analogies?

I think we can consider two things facts:
1. The difference between a "terrorist" and a "revolutionary/freedom fighter" will always be a matter of perspective.
2. In recent years civil rights and privacy have been weakened in favor of security measures all around the globe.

So if the Wachowski brothers decided to make their adaption remnicent of more recent developements in the so-called free world, it isn't that far fetched at all.

Originally Posted by SketchTheArtist

Another link would be helpful for me too...

There you go:
http://www.gamingreport.com/article.php?sid=10015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwo...82003_movie%29 (Trivia section)

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Originally Posted by Cyrus XIII

The Galactic Empire? Oh please ... what's next, Nazi analogies?

I think we can consider two things facts:
1. The difference between a "terrorist" and a "revolutionary/freedom fighter" will always be a matter of perspective.

You know, people always say this, but I think there's a clear distinction.

Terrorists kill/threaten innocent civilians.
Freedom Fighters fight against governments and soldiers.

To compare a suicide bomber blowing up a cafe in Israel (where the only target is innocent people) to a Patriot during the American Revolutionary War (fighting British soldiers) is not that accurate.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus XIII

The Galactic Empire? Oh please ... what's next, Nazi analogies?

Given that all the actors were white, british males in fairly facist uniforms, you're not too, too far off from Nazism

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...and it's true that the British Empire sported quite a bit of master-racey arrogance in it's heyday. But comparing either the SW Empire or the Nazis with the Bush administration... it's just not a good basis for a discussion.

@ JazzFlight
You have to take into account that religious fanatics have the luxury of not having to distinguish between uniformed or civilian adversaries. Infidels will be infidels.

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"The White Man's Burden." Basically, the thinking that since the White Man was the most culturally and technologically advanced race on the planet, that they had a moral obligation to rule the lesser peoples and bring them to enlightened, civilized ways of life.

You could say this was the reasoning behind the all-human governing body of the Empire, if Lucas actually went more in depth beyond mere symbology.

It's not necessarily a Nazi ideal.

Also Lehah, I'm just saying that the Alliance was wrong, not that they were terrorists. =P

I've lost any chance of finding this movie enjoyable. If Moore thinks it's imbecillic, then it's confirmed all of my fears. I'll have to watch it anyways, since I know my opinion matters to you.

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@ JazzFlight
You have to take into account that religious fanatics have the luxury of not having to distinguish between uniformed or civilian adversaries. Infidels will be infidels.

That's bullshit. Islamist Revolutionaries are clearly able to distinguish between a civilian pop, potentially innocent even, and a military and governmental front. Terrorists purposely target civilians in order to facilitate political change, since openly combating governments and their militaries is an excercize in futility.

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I saw the movie today. I have to admit, I reckon the Wachowski brother's version (although altered quite radically in places) was breathtaking and well worth my money. Although the graphic novel was better. Films can never quite compare to the original material. Especially when Hollywood pulls the plot and the ideas apart. Can't deny it had style though.

As for the apparent political and social meanings this film has implied for a lot of people, what LeHah has said makes complete and total sense. The time at which the graphic novel was written was very different to how things are now. It has to be taken from a different perspective.

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If that's the case, then why not base the movie in America, and have V blow up Congress? If Spielberg could get away with properly Americanizing his dreadful version of War of the Worlds, why shouldn't the Wachowski's have done the same for a message intended for Americans?

Keeping the movie set in Britain is going to distance their intended audience from the material.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

You know, people always say this, but I think there's a clear distinction.

Terrorists kill/threaten innocent civilians.
Freedom Fighters fight against governments and soldiers.

To compare a suicide bomber blowing up a cafe in Israel (where the only target is innocent people) to a Patriot during the American Revolutionary War (fighting British soldiers) is not that accurate.

Don't forget terrorosts do the above listed to accomplish what freedom fighters do, except they use some BS like a few lines from their holy scripture to justify it.

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