Man found dead in bar....

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Man found dead at Marietta bar

From staff reports

A Marietta man was found dead early Wednesday in a Greene Street bar, but police don’t suspect foul play.

As a precaution, the body of Leonard W. Martin, 58, of 223 Greene St., was sent to the Montgomery County Coroner’s Office for an autopsy.

“The death appears to be from natural causes,” said Marietta Police Capt. Jeff Waite.

Martin’s body was discovered about 1:30 a.m. by a patron at the Four Seasons Bar, 131 Greene St.

This is at the bottom of an article about someone being charged in an underage drinking case.

This is sad. A man goes into a bar, sits down, and no one notices he died until it was time to close. And, on top of that, he doesn't even get his own article in the paper, but rather a blurb at the bottom of another one.

Have we become so jaded that something like this doesn't shock or surprise anyone?

In response to Deni's question:

He sat there for hours before anyone noticed. If you click the link, you would notice that this happened on a Wednesday--not exactly a busy day for bars.

The news isn't that he died--but that NO ONE NOTICED.

http://www.mariettatimes.com/news/st...1200774531.asp

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It wasn't foul play, no wrong doing was done... why should it be news? People die of natural causes every day.

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Great. You guys prove my point about how we don't give a fuck about our fellow human beings.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Why the thread close?

I for one think that, while it's sad, it makes sense that nobody noticed that he was dead until right before last call. People, especially if they walk into a bar in groups, generally mind their own business. Even I, being a fairly social barfly, don't usually talk to strangers at a bar and had I been there this situation probably wouldn't have been different.

I'm still reopening the thread open for discussion though.

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Thank you, Beaner. I was right annoyed at that closure.

I don't see how you can seriously think that every death should be front page news, Lekk. Thousands of people die from natural causes every day, and we're supposed to place all of them as serious news? How and why?

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This kind of reminds me of Collateral... Vincent's story about a man who dies on a subway train and nobody notices til 6 hours later, and then the irony at the end when it happens to him.
Very sad, I think, but a bar is more believable - how are you to know if the guy is dead, or just passed out and stinky?

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Originally Posted by Ayos

This kind of reminds me of Collateral... Vincent's story about a man who dies on a subway train and nobody notices til 6 hours later, and then the irony at the end when it happens to him.
Very sad, I think, but a bar is more believable - how are you to know if the guy is dead, or just passed out and stinky?

Heh, glad to see I'm not the only one who remembered Collateral after reading this. Still there was something similar to this a few weeks ago. Apparently some older fellow died while sitting at home in front of the TV set.

By the time folks called to complain about the blaring TV set an entire year had passed by and he was somewhat preserved due to the settings in the house. I always wondered how the hell the electricity didn't get cut off.

I'm just amazed some folks literally have no one, not even their neighbors, to check up on them.

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I think it's pretty sad that the guy died and nobody even noticed. At least this isn't another mindless shooting, though.

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Well... at least he didn't try to get up and drive home. :\

But yeah its at a public place, so its rare to go unnoticed... even for a subway quote from a movie.

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Ahaha. I totally thought Collateral as well =3

Of course this guy's death won't hit top headlines... Britney's new hairdo is much more important! The news in general is jaded. You could watch the movie Blood Diamond to get a real taste of the kinda stuff most folks here don't hear about.

Personally, I figured someone would've *smelled* he was dead. Not by rotting, but due to bowels releasing.

Anyhow, I guarantee you that dozens if not hundreds died in Africa today, but we don't care. Why? General sentiment is that it's every man for himself. Or we're jaded because there are six billion of us on the face of the planet. Sucks that he died, but it happens all the time, and everywhere. Just shrug it off and shuffle onward -- that's what I do.

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It could have been a one-off. Maybe on that particular night no one had the chance to check on him. Maybe he was catatonic every night =s. It could happen.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, he was in a bar, probably died with a beer in his hand. How many people have seen someone pass out in a bar, or just from drinking any time or anywhere? Last year some drunk kid wandered into the student center where I work and just passed out in the dining section, head on arms on table. We called campus safety when I noticed that he hadnt been moving for 10 minutes, at least. He turned out to be fine, but seriously. People pass out from drinking too much all the time. People around him probably just thought he was passed out.

Granted, seeing as it was a wednesday (and probably not busy), I'd think the bartender would have at least noticed... :-\

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Originally Posted by Bernard Black

It could have been a one-off. Maybe on that particular night no one had the chance to check on him. Maybe he was catatonic every night =s. It could happen.

Wouldn't that have increased his chances of being found earlier if he was there like that every night? Someone would recognize him or remember that there's always that dude that's knocked the hell out.

I chalk it up to people too wrapped up in their routine to notice the folks who fell between the cracks.

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I mean maybe he was like that every time he was in there, but when he'd been checked on before he always said he was fine. That's one way he could've been overlooked. Unless the bar is staffed by incompetent idiots.

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I think it's sad, and unfortunate that the man died alone in a bar, however, you can't expect the newspaper to report all deaths. It's interesting news, yes, but sadly, it's not something the news feels is "newsworthy."

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How is this any different from the genocide in Darfur or other regions? We turn a blind eye to the massacre of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and then this one drunken guy in a bar is at least given newspaper space while other WORLD NEWS are not? Isn't this something to ponder about.

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Originally Posted by Dee

How is this any different from the genocide in Darfur or other regions? We turn a blind eye to the massacre of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and then this one drunken guy in a bar is at least given newspaper space while other WORLD NEWS are not? Isn't this something to ponder about.

How is it different? Well for one, this was natural fucking causes, you git. No one was murdered here. No, this is NOTHING to ponder about. You know why? Darfur is reported in the news, so is Iraq, so is Africa. You know where the one drunken dude wasn't reported? CNN, FOX, Television in general. Jesus christ, if you want to make a political point, make sure you aren't a borderline mental midget first.

People like you are why we moderate liberals wince when they interview university students.

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Yes, you have a point. The point I was trying to make was that apathy is rampant in our society - also on a larger scale.

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Originally Posted by Dee

Yes, you have a point. The point I was trying to make was that apathy is rampant in our society - also on a larger scale.

You didn't argue apathy, you argued coverage. We have unprecendented access to international news in this era. We have graphic coverage of pretty much everything. What you think is apathy, I call being overwhelmed. You know who wants to save the world? Deluded people. You can't save the world. All you can do is try and make life a little better for the people around you. I think most people will try and do that. But preaching world building saviour tactics is counter-productive and exactly why people who want to make the world better get ignored.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Coverage or lack of is also a sign of apathy. When one man does indeed get a small snippet for the apathy of bar attenders about his death (not to mention these people are drunk), does each individual death around the globe get equal coverage? True, horrendous global events get coverage, but not nearly enough that it deserves. It is the communal lack of apathy that spurs this lack of coverage, and then more coverage of less important newsworthy events. It's this terrible cycle.

I didn't make a point anywhere about "saving the world". I can't save the world. You can't save the world. What's the point you're trying to make? Perhaps you better get off your high horse of cynicism and assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

I don't see how you can seriously think that every death should be front page news, Lekk. Thousands of people die from natural causes every day, and we're supposed to place all of them as serious news? How and why?

I never said he should get a fucking headline above the fold, now did I? What pisses me off is the whole "oh, by the way, before I forget to mention" attitude I get from the whole article--which is about sentencing someone for permitting minors to drink. The two are not even related--except for alcohol on premises.

Instead of doing that--a simple obituary would have been better.

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Originally Posted by Leknaat

I never said he should get a fucking headline above the fold, now did I? What pisses me off is the whole "oh, by the way, before I forget to mention" attitude I get from the whole article--which is about sentencing someone for permitting minors to drink. The two are not even related--except for alcohol on premises.

Instead of doing that--a simple obituary would have been better.

I have to agree. The blokes death does deserve some recognition and for it to be shoved at the end of an article about sentencing an individual for allow minors to drink is wrong. It should have had something like a mini article on the side column or something to that degree.

It is news, maybe not the death of the man as such, it is no big shock as death happens all the time, but it kind of reflects on the staff who were working that night and staff in general, who don't seem to pay attention to their customers. I for one have only come across a handful of bartenders who pay attention to you and try to slow one down when drinking (if too much) and actually make smal talk when collecting glasses from your table to check everything is ok. Now I understand that it's not possible to do this if it is a busy night, but I think someone already mentioned it was a Wednesday which over here is a pretty relaxed night compared to Thursdays and the weekend. My question is why did no one notice anything "odd" about him when they go to collect glasses from his table? (I'm assuming he was actually drinking in the bar)

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Originally Posted by Dee

Coverage or lack of is also a sign of apathy. When one man does indeed get a small snippet for the apathy of bar attenders about his death (not to mention these people are drunk), does each individual death around the globe get equal coverage? True, horrendous global events get coverage, but not nearly enough that it deserves. It is the communal lack of apathy that spurs this lack of coverage, and then more coverage of less important newsworthy events. It's this terrible cycle.

I didn't make a point anywhere about "saving the world". I can't save the world. You can't save the world. What's the point you're trying to make? Perhaps you better get off your high horse of cynicism and assumptions.

A) coverage or the lack of coverage is apathy. So no matter what the media does, it's apathy.

B) What does it matter that the people were drunk?

C) You're right. The 24 hour coverage by CNN of what is going on in Iraq isn't nearly enough. Quick, let's sanction 6 extra hours in a day so it can be 30.

D) You're right about less important news stories getting coverage. I mean, can we just stop hearing about how Anna Nichole Smith died? I mean, really, do we have to know about one person's death of natural causes, is that really so important? O wait, according to you it is.

Originally Posted by Leknaat

What pisses me off is the whole "oh, by the way, before I forget to mention" attitude I get from the whole article

First off, it was an oh-by-the way because somebody died in a bar of natural causes, and that doesn't happen every day. If he'd died in the parking lot, you'd never of heard of it. The minors drinking is breaking a law, this is just some dude who had a heart attack in his chair and went quietly. That isn't news. At all.

Secondly, you know how you get an obit? Your family pays for one. You don't just get one when you die. The paper would be 100 pages long. Christ, I'm left wing, and you bleeding hearts are making me ill with your lack of logic.

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