[Album] The Punk Thread! (We're Gonna Gob On Yer Granny)

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

As for modern punk bands try Dropkick Murpheys & Cheap Sex. Most of the modern Punk band I know are local so you're probably not going to be able to find their records with ease.

I saw Cheap Sex in Corona, CA 3.5 years ago with Lower Class Brats. I'd only heard one of their songs before the show, but a friend needed someone to go with her so I went. They weren't bad, but I never got around to listening to more of their music.

Originally Posted by Iwata

My favorite subgenres of punk are generally 80's Hardcore/American Underground and post-punk.

Have you seen American Hardcore? It was a pretty cool documentary about the Hardcore Punk scene from 1980-86. They talked to a bunch of the musicians from those bands. It wasn't widely released, but it did play in some small theaters.

Originally Posted by starslight

Mike Ness is definitely a sketchy dude

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure this guy lives near me. My uncle has talked to him at both bars and AA meetings.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by christinajon

Have you seen American Hardcore?

The DVD of this just came out. Really, the film is worth purchasing just for the archival footage. The interviews aren't really anything groundbreaking if you've kept up with the scene.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Apparently being punk is very serious business. It's like a job, almost.

Yeah I've already been voted out.

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One thing I would like to say is that I think in the United States we don't really have "punk," it's a brit thing.

We have hardcore, such as: Bad brains, Bad Religion, Reagan Youth, Black Flag, Fugazi, The Misfits, Naked Raygun, Anti-Flag (circa '88), et al.

The distinction is mainly semantic, but there's a distinct divergence in sound between the Sex Pistols/early Clash and those listed above. The only real exception I could think of would be The Heartbreakers, who developed their sound while touring in the UK with the Sex Pistols.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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For the record the following are NOT punk and are NOT to be discussed in this thread:-

Christian Punk (i.e. MXPX)
Nazi Punk (i.e. Skrewdriver 1982 - onward)
Pop Punk (i.e. Greenday)
Skate Punk (i.e. Suicidal Tendancies)

Fuck this elitism shit. This isn't what punk is about.

All i know is that Frenzal Rhomb released the best punk album of last year (Rise Against fan sit down) and that I'm really fucking excited about the imminent NoFX show in Perth. And next month, the DROPKICK MURPHYS. Gunna be insane.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

One thing I would like to say is that I think in the United States we don't really have "punk," it's a brit thing.

We have hardcore, such as: Bad brains, Bad Religion, Reagan Youth, Black Flag, Fugazi, The Misfits, Naked Raygun, Anti-Flag (circa '88), et al.

The distinction is mainly semantic, but there's a distinct divergence in sound between the Sex Pistols/early Clash and those listed above. The only real exception I could think of would be The Heartbreakers, who developed their sound while touring in the UK with the Sex Pistols.

You're obviously not looking deep enough if you think punk music is exclusive to Britain.

being punk goes by the simple D.I.Y ethos. The fact that you cite the sex pistols as an actual punk band, shows you don't know much of what your talking about. I recommend you look up vivian westwood and Malcom Mclearen. The sex pistols were the Fallout boy of the 70's and nearly every interview i've read with people who were part of the punk rock scene attest to this.

let's not forget that such punk bands like the Stooges, Television, Swell maps, and the ramones to name a few started as a band playing punk music 2 to 3 years before the Sex pistols or the clash even formed.

The reason people consider Britain to be the home of punk music is because of the mainstream press hyping up these two bands as an innovator of this genre of music. The only reason they are considered by many uninformed people as the founders of punk is because they " brought" it to the mainstream.

hell, even bands like Black flag, the Minutemen/reactionarys, Angry Samoans, Crime, etc started playing punk music at the exact same time that the clash and the pistols did. Thinking that punk originated in Britain is completely asinine.

British punk may be the most well known in the world due to mainstream exposure, but it is by no means the original or birthplace of punk rock. Sorta how people think Black sabbath are the first metal band in the world when if you take the time to digg, it is very evident that they were not.

FELIPE NO

I don't know why everyone likes the Ramones so much. They were all right, but in comparison to other bands in the same vein, I don't think they're really that noteworthy.

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The fact that you cite the sex pistols as an actual punk band, shows you don't know much of what your talking about.

If they're not punk, then what are they? Oh, wait, I forgot, you're probably thinking because they gained popularity with God Save The Queen, they're not punk.

I'm surprised you didn't bother to take the New York Dolls route, they started in the early, early 70s. Before most of the other bands you mentioned.

So, maybe it was a bit of misnomer, but most people I know, who are also fans of the genre, refer to british groups as "punk" and americans as "hardcore." Even if you visit the major epicenters of the American scene, they labeled themselves as such: LA, D.C., New York, Chicago...

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Originally Posted by Iwata

The sex pistols were the Fallout boy of the 70's and nearly every interview i've read with people who were part of the punk rock scene attest to this.

I wouldn't go so far as to compare them to Fall Out Boy, but they were definitely more of a caricature than they were an actual anti-establishment entity. The reason why I couldn't ever get into the Pistols was because of their whole musical demeanor. What were they talking about half of the time? They didn't know eachother when they got together and the fact that they fell apart because they never had any true stage chemistry was a testament to that.

It always just seemed to me that they were put together for the sole purpose of selling a false punk image that was built upon the paving of bands like MC5, The New York Dolls, The Stooges and Velvet Underground, to name a few.

Where they were from doesn't matter to me as long as it was good music; but, to me, the Pistols definitely didn't fit this bill. :/

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Xtian punk bands: Slick Shoes(first 2 albums), MxPx (old stuff), Craig's Brother (1st Disc) Dogwood, The Undecided, Ace Troubleshooter.

I also like some new school bands: No Use For A Name, NOFX, Bad Religion.


Even though I've listened to a lot of punk, I have to say that my music tastes have broadened significantly since then. Funny how that goes, huh?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

I don't know why everyone likes the Ramones so much. They were all right, but in comparison to other bands in the same vein, I don't think they're really that noteworthy.



If they're not punk, then what are they? Oh, wait, I forgot, you're probably thinking because they gained popularity with God Save The Queen, they're not punk.

I'm surprised you didn't bother to take the New York Dolls route, they started in the early, early 70s. Before most of the other bands you mentioned.

So, maybe it was a bit of misnomer, but most people I know, who are also fans of the genre, refer to british groups as "punk" and americans as "hardcore." Even if you visit the major epicenters of the American scene, they labeled themselves as such: LA, D.C., New York, Chicago...

The Pistols aren't punk based on the sole fact that they were a 1970's boy band essentially and instead of selling their abs and looks, they were sold with their " fuck society" and " outsider" look. It was basically 4 guys who hung out at a store that were thrown into a band to help sell the stores goods.

I love the New York doll's first album, but after that i think they took a horrible nosedive partly due to McLaren. He took the dolls from being Glam rock gods to being a ants about to be squished under Bolan's shoe for ripping him off. I didn't mention the dolls because they've always been far more of a glam rock band then a punk band.


I think most people get confused with the hardcore label. Hardcore back in the 80's was basically the same as the word " kvlt" that is used by people in the metal scene. It was a title moreso given to the genre by the fan's then the actual artists in an attempt to be more underground because punk was becoming mainstream.

Bands like the Meat puppets, Minutemen, Husker Du, Saccharine Trust, Replacements, etc were all classified as hardcore bands, but alot of their input didn't fit the hardcore classification, yet still was considered hardcore because they were apart of the american underground scene and sounded punk and that was all that mattered to be classified as hardcore.

Although, i guess your right in the sense that the hardcore punk label is used by americans to help defferentiate themselves from their british counterparts. When it comes down to it IMO, Hardcore was more an era of punk rock then an actual style.

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It always just seemed to me that they were put together for the sole purpose of selling a false punk image

That is exactly what happened. they were put together by westwood and Mclaren to help sell their stores good. The only good thing to ever come out of that scene was Siouxsie Sioux.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Encephalon

I wouldn't go so far as to compare them to Fall Out Boy, but they were definitely more of a caricature than they were an actual anti-establishment entity. The reason why I couldn't ever get into the Pistols was because of their whole musical demeanor. What were they talking about half of the time? They didn't know eachother when they got together and the fact that they fell apart because they never had any true stage chemistry was a testament to that.

It always just seemed to me that they were put together for the sole purpose of selling a false punk image that was built upon the paving of bands like MC5, The New York Dolls, The Stooges and Velvet Underground, to name a few.

Where they were from doesn't matter to me as long as it was good music; but, to me, the Pistols definitely didn't fit this bill. :/

I totally agree, the Pistols were as manufactured as the monkees, but they did get punk to a wider audience than they would have otherwise and influence countless better bands. Taken from Cock Sparrer's wikipedia article.

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In 1976, the band met with Malcolm McLaren, who allegedly toyed with the idea of signing the band alongside to his newest discovery, the Sex Pistols. According to the band, the deal never happened, because Mclaren refused to buy them a round of beers. The second version of this story is, that they refused to cut their hair, as McLaren wanted.

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Fuck this elitism shit. This isn't what punk is about.

I agree, punk isn't about christianity, racism, selling out or skateboarding.

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That is exactly what happened. they were put together by westwood and Mclaren to help sell their stores good. The only good thing to ever come out of that scene was Siouxsie Sioux.

I never really got into Sioxsie, though the Banshees were O.K. You seemed to forget that the Clash also came out of it though.

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let's not forget that such punk bands like the Stooges, Television, Swell maps, and the ramones to name a few started as a band playing punk music 2 to 3 years before the Sex pistols or the clash even formed.

And The Who started playing before them, but Link Wray started playing before them. The problem with identifying when punk started is that you just end up going further back and back. Punk had a variety of influences, from protopunk, blues and pub rock. I suppose if you wanted to be pedantic you could say ? & the Mysterians were the first band to be described as punk but does it really fucking matter where and when it started?

Let's try not to turn this into a pissing contest.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

HAY GUYZ IM LISTENING TO MCR - I'm Not k (I Promise) and enjoying it! Shit shit am i doing this rite?

If London Calling came out today, it would be called a low fi I Am The Movie without keyboards.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by RABicle

HAY GUYZ IM LISTENING TO MCR - I'm Not k (I Promise) and enjoying it! Shit shit am i doing this rite?.

Seek help, don't turn to the dark side.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by RABicle

If London Calling came out today, it would be called a low fi I Am The Movie without keyboards.

Get out.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Encephalon

I hope you don't mean to attach that "punk" label to all the emo kids running around like headless chickens.

Haha, no, no, before they were emo the big fad was punk.

Then they went on to emo and all that bullshit. It's embarassing.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

What sort of punk? Could you describe their clothes/habits please

Edit: Just found this on wikipedia.

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My Chemical Romance and Panic! at the Disco were both bottled at the 2006 Reading Festival, resulting in Brendon Urie being knocked unconscious.

Just when the patriotism in me starts to wane, I read something like this and my faith in my brothers in restored.

Double Edit: It gets better, have a look at this and this.

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And The Who started playing before them, but Link Wray started playing before them. The problem with identifying when punk started is that you just end up going further back and back. Punk had a variety of influences, from protopunk, blues and pub rock. I suppose if you wanted to be pedantic you could say ? & the Mysterians were the first band to be described as punk but does it really fucking matter where and when it started?

I've always found the who to be standard blues rock. I think they're very far from the punk spectrum. Link wray really can be connected to punk rock, but only in a small way as power chords only make up a small part of the entire punk spectrum. He was influental to a select few, but nowhere enough to be considered a founder. We could like you said keep going back further and further in history to find the supposed origins, but i don't either of us want to do this.

I just think it needs to be noted that the Sex pistols and the clash were not the founders of punk in any way shape or form like so many people belive.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

... and this.

That's pretty much the single greatest moment in the history of music.

How ya doing, buddy?

As illegitimate as the Sex Pitstols were as a group, I do think that there was a legitimate talent in John Lydon that makes listening to them understandable. You can't deny the genius of a lot of his PiL stuff, and his work with Afrikaa Bambataa was great.

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Originally Posted by knkwzrd

As illegitimate as the Sex Pitstols were as a group, I do think that there was a legitimate talent in John Lydon that makes listening to them understandable. You can't deny the genius of a lot of his PiL stuff, and his work with Afrikaa Bambataa was great.

I was just talking to my mate the other day about how intelligent Lydon was, iw would have been interesting to see what he would have done if he had formed his own band instead of being shoe-horned into the pistols.

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I've always found the who to be standard blues rock. I think they're very far from the punk spectrum. Link wray really can be connected to punk rock, but only in a small way as power chords only make up a small part of the entire punk spectrum.

My Generation and Rumble?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

My Generation and Rumble?

My generation does have some punk elements, but so does stuff released by Love and a bunch of other rock acts in the 60's.

IMO the first true punk rock album to ever be released was in 1970 with the stooges " Fun House ". Loose, Dirt, Down on the street, and T.V Eye were all punk as fuck.

I would like to hear what everyone considers the first punk album?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I don't think there was a "first" punk album, I thought we had established that the music had sort of a parallel evolution.

I would almost say, that in a lot of ways Johnny Cash (although, his influence was later felt in the Grunge era), The Grateful Dead, and other folk artists as well as the movement of the Beat-generation (Allen Ginsberg, et al.) lead up to the anti-authoritarian, do-it-yourself movement that is Punk.

FELIPE NO

There's always be rebellious anti-authoritan hell-raisers, however if I absolutly had to pick an album that I felt was the first totally legitimate punk album I would probably pick 'Kick Out The Jams' since in the words of Lester Bangs 'they came on like a bunch of sixteen-year-old punks on a meth power trip'.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I'd say that the first record that really sounded something like punk sounded in it's heyday, ignoring mentalities of the artists and anything like that, is The Monks' Black Monk Time. At the beginning of flower power, it stands as a frothing testament to youthful rage. "Oh, I hate you with a passion, baby."

Jam it back in, in the dark.

If you truly want to get technical about it, the Damned and their debut album (a self titled) was officially the first concious punk rock album. The Damned is one of the few bands that I can still stand to listen to. They're just stripped down rock'n'roll.

Back when I used to really listen to the stuff, I used to be into the Templars, Major Accident, Crass, UK Subs, and the Cockney Rejects...Stuff along those lines. This thread inspired me actually to relisten to a few of my old favorites. My taste though eventually matured. Now I can only listen to the standouts, and I enjoy post-punk which I feel took the sound and made it alot less prone to generic sound-alikes.

There's nowhere I can't reach.