Selective Service

"The Selective Service System is the means by which the United States administers military conscription. It entails registering all men between the ages of 18 and 25 with the system for the purpose of having information available about potential soldiers in the event of war."

I turned 18 today, I'm a permanent Resident of the US, must I register? I know I won't be able to get Federal Aid and such. What will happen if I choose to not register?

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*looks at the flag, looks at the question*

Umm... why?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yes, I'm Canadian but I'm a permanent Resident of the US...thus I live in the US.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Are you a U.S. citizen, or do you intend to become a U.S. citizen?

If the answer to both of these is no, you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

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Well I plan to go to college in the US. So, I want Federal Aid (as a possible option) and I was told I had to register even if I'm a permanent Resident. I just want to know if I choose not to.

I was speaking idiomatically.

"A male non-citizen who first takes up permanent residence in the U.S. when he is at least 18 years old, but not yet 26 years old, must register within 30 days of becoming a resident. If he first enters the U.S. as a resident when he is 26 years old or older, he does not register with Selective Service because he is too old to register. Male non-citizens in the U.S. temporarily (valid student or visitor visa, diplomatic corps, etc.) do not register."
- http://www.sss.gov/when.htm

If you are receiving financial aid from the U.S. Government then you have to be a permanent resident or citizen, in most states.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Do some research, answers like this are very readily available, given the sheer number of times these questions come up.

http://www.fafsa.ed.gov/help.htm

Hydra was quicker than I. Still check out the FAFSA site, since that form contributes a great deal to your potential financial aid.

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Sigh, so I have to register to get Federal Aid. Just want to be assured, has everyone here that lives in the US and is 18 and older registered?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Yes, it's required for federal aid and if you want to get a government job. Not to mention it's the law. I never gave it much thought, since the draft isn't in effect, and there would be a huge public outcry if they ever tried to reinstate it.

It is blatantly sexist, since women don't have to register. If I have to serve for my country, they should have to as well.

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Haha, this is the best spam ever.

On topic though, from what I've been told it can be difficult to get a job without registering for selective service, and it's necessary for anything like federal aid. I don't care for the idea of forced registry, but we're in no danger of the draft being re-instated anyway.

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Wait a minute, Why do YOU get federal aid for college?

I didn't get any of that shit, I'm a fucking citizen, I had to join the goddamn military so I could afford to go to college, why the fuck are they giving YOU the money?

Sorry, I don't mean to be so hostile, but I hate the fact that we're willing to doll out benefits to non-citizens and the rest of us get shafted.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Whoa--Duo, calm down. (I don't mean that as sarcastic as it sounds)

A lot of US citizens can't get federal aid because their parents make too much. I know it's not fair--especially if the parents still can't afford to send their kid to college.

For some, the military isn't an option, either--so there are some kids who can't go to college at all. Be thankful you found a way to be able to do it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

You can apply for actual loans, ie: Stafford or Federal Subsidized Loans, alongside Pell Grants (if the family is of lower-income).

I survived off Pell Grant combined with a few other Grants and a Federal Loan on occasion. However, Pell grant was yanked out from under me right before this last summer. My work often covered the fees, but I'm slipping into the red in this last semester.

Duo --
Do you mean that you never got notification for a Federal Loan, ever? What sort of college are you shooting for attending? Most in-state ones shouldn't be too extreme on costs...

RPG Maker --
Dude, don't worry about it. I wouldn't be concerned if the draft comes into effect. Here's the thing: IF the draft ever kicked in, there'd be a huge shitstorm on politicians. They will avoid it if at all possible. Any talk of the draft within the next decade do come is a fear tactic, I assure you. Plus, if draft comes about, don't worry about yourself. The government has college boys VERY low on the list for drafting. They will snag your high school chums who decided to go off and pave cement for a living as soon as they get their HS Diploma.

Even once you graduate, if you attend grad school or not, depending upon your major you might not be picked. If you're doing something that'll benefit things at home, they won't snag you. College boys are snagged LAST, and even if they are, they are often put in cushier jobs (mostly true for science majors).

You're making a mountain out of a molehill.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Just register. No chance the draft will ever come back, anyway.

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I got automatically registered once I applied for student aid for college.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I registered and didn't think twice about it. The financial aid is quite nice for helping pay for school. Although I could've applied for a lot of financial aid, being a 1st generation (means my parents didn't go to college), low-income student (and yes, I grew up poor), I chose to join the military first (partly cause I was "tired of school" at the time, because I was undecided on what to major in, and finally, I "wanted to see the world" lol).

It does suck though, when all you can get are loans for school (unless you're going to medical school or something that requires like 10 years of schooling), but you don't necessarily have to go to Harvard or Yale (really expensive schools) either. There are plenty of more cost-effective colleges you can go to (state universities are often a good choice, and if nothing else, community colleges), and still get a decent education.

In the US anyway, the military isn't a bad choice either. The Army will help you pay for some of your schooling if you decide to take college courses while you're serving, or if they still have EarmyU (where you get a free laptop, and free online college courses, the stipulation being you have to have at least 3 more years of service, and you have to pass your classes), that's a good way to go too. The Air Force has their own college as well, and then there's always the GI Bill (money to help pay for schooling after you get out of the service), or College Loan Repayment program (if you've already gone to college and have debts to pay off). Of course, don't join the military solely for this reason, or you're going to hate your time in the service.

I don't know how the military works in other countries, but it'd be cool if they offered something similar (the GI Bill was started after WW2 to help soldiers who were fighting during the war get a college education, and I have to say, it's a really good program).

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Duo --
Do you mean that you never got notification for a Federal Loan, ever? What sort of college are you shooting for attending? Most in-state ones shouldn't be too extreme on costs...

Yeah, I mean, it's not that much, but considering the job market is SHIT for someone under 25, without a college degree and I also have to support myself while going to school, I can't afford it.

Also, loans and grants are different. They're GIVING you money, they still expect me to pay it back. Besides, why can't YOU go back to a bank in your home country and get a loan, instead of using money out of my pocket (i.e. through taxation).

If you must know, I was planning to transfer to UCSD, before my family said "Who is going to pay for it?" Then I was stuck and had to drop my transfer and join the military. I fucking hate the military. If it weren't for the education benefits after I get out, I wouldn't be here, you can HAVE that shit. I mean, I like the travel and the sea-time, hate the job and the overall attitude of the people.

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Yeah I forgot, to register... hmm....

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I refuse to register for the selective services, I really dont feel like getting killed within the next 80 years cause of a pointless war, so yea.

How does not registering for it affect you not being able to get a job?

Also are you able to get any sort of financial helo let it be a loan, grant or w/e if your not registered with the selective service?

Also what are some other disadvantages if you dont register for it?

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Originally Posted by LivingDreams

I refuse to register for the selective services, I really dont feel like getting killed within the next 80 years cause of a pointless war, so yea.

Within the next 80 years? They stop drafting people when they turn 26, since they don't want geriatric geezers fighting a war.

As for penalties, I don't know. Every job I've applied for has a box that asks if I've registered for Selective Service, but I'm not sure how often employers check that.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Must be nice to have the option. Must be nice to have all the moneys you want.

*throws a bitter rampage*

You come in here whining about possibly having to enscribe again and I'm gonna do something to ya.

How ya doing, buddy?

I just thank God that all I have to do is register for the draft. The possible alternative is mandatory military service for a few years after graduation, like some countries have, and that's not something I'd want.

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