[Album] The Punk Thread! (We're Gonna Gob On Yer Granny)

I was a little surprised to find the total lack of punk discussion on these boards, and I hope I'm not the only punk on these boards, so lets get something going.

For the record the following are NOT punk and are NOT to be discussed in this thread:-

Christian Punk (i.e. MXPX)
Nazi Punk (i.e. Skrewdriver 1982 - onward)
Pop Punk (i.e. Greenday)
Skate Punk (i.e. Suicidal Tendancies)

and NO punk sub-cultures i.e. indies, emos, goths, grunge etc...

A good test to find out if you're a real punk is to listen to this song and see if you can relate on any level. (Warning, lyrics are NSFW)

Anyway, feel to free to talk about bands you like/dislike, gigs you've gone to/going to, the most punk thing you've ever done, what you wear to gigs, any legends you know, ask 'is it punk or is it not?' etc...

And also, if anyone's in the North of the UK during the end of May make sure you attend Nice & Sleazy, it's gonna be fuckin awesome.

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Sadly, I don't think there are enough people who listen to punk rock to have any sort of serious discussion on these boards. There was a thread like this before the last crash, and it didn't go very far.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Ramones/Misfits.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

What about Hardcore?

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Originally Posted by kinkymagic

For the record the following are NOT punk and are NOT to be discussed in this thread:-

Nothing says anti-establishment like a good dose of self-satisfaction.

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I've always had a spot in my heart for The Clash but even they changed their sound a hell of a lot during the 80's. Even then, I consider London Calling one of the great albums of the last century.

Bad Brains, Wire and Mission of Burma are always brought up when discussing great punk bands but my favorite punk band of all time is The Stiff Little Fingers. Those guys were gritty right down to their sound and it always stuck with me. It's one of those bands I found out about LONG before High Fidelity came out (knkwzrd will know what I'm talking about) and got me into punk in every form.

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Punk! My favorite genre of music next to metal.

my top 10 favorites:

1. Minutemen
2. Swell maps
3. The Fall
4. Angry Samoans
5. Flipper
6. Bad Brains
7 Meat Puppets
8 Crime
9. Sun City girls
10. Crass

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Punk. Of my, I haven't listened to this stuff in ages.

Never really did, to be honest. There was a huge punk fad that went on around the town I live in and my goodness it was ridiculous.

After that I pretty much swore off punk as just that - a ridiculous fad.

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Originally Posted by Vestin

After that I pretty much swore off punk as just that - a ridiculous fad.

I hope you don't mean to attach that "punk" label to all the emo kids running around like headless chickens.

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Originally Posted by Skexis

Nothing says anti-establishment like a good dose of self-satisfaction.

Most Punks I know are pro-establishment, just not this current establishment. The way I see it, anyone who has stepped into Hot Topic without the intent of causing some drunken mayhem isn't punk. Whatever happened to D.I.Y?

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Punk. Of my, I haven't listened to this stuff in ages.

Never really did, to be honest. There was a huge punk fad that went on around the town I live in and my goodness it was ridiculous.

After that I pretty much swore off punk as just that - a ridiculous fad.

Could you elaborate? What genre of punk was the fad about? Or to put it another way, what clothes were they wearing?

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my favorite punk band of all time is The Stiff Little Fingers

While I really like SLF I was pretty pissed when they no-showed at a gig I went to about a month ago.

Anyway, for anyone who has heard of them are Towers of London punk or not? While Donny did spit his beer in my face there were a hell of a lot of 16 year old indie and emo kids at the gig, although most of them got shoved to the back once they actually came out onto the stage.

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I think I'm even more surprised of the lack of rock music discussion on the boards. Namely, not modern rock.

Punk for me has been given a bad rep, mainly from idiots like Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, MCR, and other black eyeliner, skinny pants, Converses, greased hair, Hot Topic, 30 something year olds. The only punk I know of well are the Ramones. If anyone wants to suggest bands of the same era, I am open to it (or "good" modern punk or rock, that is the challenge.)

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Originally Posted by Dee

I think I'm even more surprised of the lack of rock music discussion on the boards. Namely, not modern rock.

Punk for me has been given a bad rep, mainly from idiots like Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, MCR, and other black eyeliner, skinny pants, Converses, greased hair, Hot Topic, 30 something year olds. The only punk I know of well are the Ramones. If anyone wants to suggest bands of the same era, I am open to it (or "good" modern punk or rock, that is the challenge.)

For classic punk bands listen to Sex Pistols, Clash, Buzzcocks, New York Dolls, pre-nazi Skrewdriver, The Toy Dolls, The MC5 and The Stooges.

As for modern punk bands try Dropkick Murpheys & Cheap Sex. Most of the modern Punk band I know are local so you're probably not going to be able to find their records with ease.

I also depends on which type of punk you're into. I like Oi and Glam Punk but each to their own.

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Originally Posted by Dee

Punk for me has been given a bad rep, mainly from idiots like Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco, MCR, and other black eyeliner, skinny pants, Converses, greased hair, Hot Topic, 30 something year olds.

HAHAHAHAHA! You're not one of those cats who actually THINKS that Panic! At The Disco is punk, are you?

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The only punk I know of well are the Ramones. If anyone wants to suggest bands of the same era, I am open to it (or "good" modern punk or rock, that is the challenge.)

Fo sho! I uploaded some Stiff Little Fingers for you guys to enjoy.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Thought I'd upload what I'm listening to at the moment.

For the record, the BNP is the largest extreme-right party in the U.K.

Now for sleep.

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So, is it true that most good punk = people from Europe?

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Originally Posted by Grail

So, is it true that most good punk = people from Europe?

No. Their is plenty of punk that came from the states that is far superior to alot of the stuff that came from europe-based punk bands

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The only punk I really listened to was Too Drunk to Fuck by Dead Kennedys and I enjoyed it. I tried listening to some Ramones, but they really weren't doing it for me.

Anyone recommend the bands that influenced thrash metal? I guess fast aggressive punk with some technicality to it and socio political conscious lyrics.

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Oh, more enthusiasm than I expected. My favorite punk act of all time is The Fall. They've been releasing great records for 30 years without stop, and never sold out. Mark E. Smith is punk rock, as far as I'm concerned.

I have somewhat of a mixed opinion of newer punk music. Most of the stuff that's musically similar isn't anything like the original in terms of philosophy, which I think for punk music especially was more important than the music's aesthetic. Most of the acts that are really the "most punk" in my mind don't sound anything like punk rock of old, but probably have far more in common with the original musicians. I'm thinking of acts like Wolf Eyes or Diamanda Galas or some of John Zorn's more out there stuff here; not only are they creating original music that doesn't sound like anything else out there (something I think was integral to punk rock that is now lost in the oi or glampunk molds), but they're way the fuck more D.I.Y. than pretty much everyone else out there.

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The only punk bands I could really ever get into are the Clash and Social D. I am really into early punk-influenced hardcore, though - Minor Threat, Black Flag, Youth of Today, 7 Seconds, Gorilla Biscuits, etc.

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Originally Posted by starslight

I am really into early punk-influenced hardcore, though - Minor Threat, Black Flag, Youth of Today, 7 Seconds, Gorilla Biscuits, etc.

I really don't distinguish the early American hardcore bands from the punk scene at all until bands like Social D. (who I honestly have no liking for) and that whole SoCal thing came around. There is some old footage of Social D. touring, and when you see their lead singer trying to write a song after a show with all his caked on eye make up in someone's back yard, you can't help but think, "What a bastard. This is the beginning of all this MCR shit, right here." He left the same tour – taking the money and stranding his band and another band across the country – because he didn't like the living conditions.

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Mike Ness is definitely a sketchy dude, but I'm not sure that any one guy is responsible for inspiring current emo trends. Great bands like the Damned and the Misfits (another favorite punk band of mine, can't believe I forgot them!) did the make-up thing, too, and to a much greater extent.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by starslight

Mike Ness is definitely a sketchy dude, but I'm not sure that any one guy is responsible for inspiring current emo trends. Great bands like the Damned and the Misfits (another favorite punk band of mine, can't believe I forgot them!) did the make-up thing, too, and to a much greater extent.

Don't forget the New York Dolls, they wore more make-up than a 15-year old slag on a night out, but they were are punk as fuck. If anyone is to be blamed for emos it's the person who created the touchy-feely trend when anyone knows the way to sort out your problems is through alcohol and rage.

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Most of the stuff that's musically similar isn't anything like the original in terms of philosophy, which I think for punk music especially was more important than the music's aesthetic.

While this may be true of all the mainstream 'punk' bands, but at at local level there are still a lot of bands that wouldn't have been out of place in the 1970s.

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they creating original music that doesn't sound like anything else out there (something I think was integral to punk rock that is now lost in the oi or glampunk molds),

While this is undoubtably true of proto and post-punk, the majority of the early punk bands used the same 3 chord progressions that had been laid down by blues and the same sing-along quality that pub rock had to it. Blame the MC5 for Kicking out the Jams.

While I love bands like Television to a rather worrying extent, you can't get drunk and pogo to Marquee Moon no matter how hard you try. As horribly cliched as this sounds and I hate myself for saying it, for me punk is about the experience as much as the music. There's nothing I love better (well, very little) than getting wasted and jumping about in front of the stage with my mates while the older punks look on approvingly. Then again, I am a working class lad from a 'Tatty Seaside Town' (bonus points if you get the reference) so I can relate more to lyrics about football, drinking and violence than I can to lyrics about art (sorry for the sterotype).

I do agree that punk is also about content as well as style, with bands like The Libertines and Pulp as punk in my eyes, even if they don't play hard fast and angry.

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No. Their is plenty of punk that came from the states that is far superior to alot of the stuff that came from europe-based punk bands

Maybe there is a lot of punk from the states that is far superior to alot of the stuff that came from europe-based punk bands, but British punk is the best in the world.

Anyone, on a completly unrelated note, the next punk gig I'm going to is on the 24th Feb at a pub called the Yorkshire House. The plan is get to the pub by 2, have a couple of drinks, listen to the bands that start at 3 while still drinking, dance a little, try to chat up some girls and fail due to the fact you're slurring too much for them to understand you and you look pretty crap by this point, talk to the bands after they've done, drink some more, repeat until 2 in the morning. It's gonna be a fuckin GREAT day.

As for gig clothing, I'm gonna gel my hair back until it's like a rock, put on my home scrawled T-shirt and black bomber jacket (possibly with something spelled on the back with safety pins if I can be bothered to go into town), torn jeans held together with safety pins and a pair of leather sneakers (cos I haven't managed to get get hold of a pair of Doc Ms yet). Last time I was in this get up I managed to out punk my mate and he's promised to out punk me this weekend so I'm looking forward to seeing what he'll be wearing. For Nice & Sleazy he'll be dying his hair red while I'm going 1/4 pink, 1/4 blond (natural) and half red. I'm see if I can get any pictures from this weekend.

Anyway what were the last/next gigs you guys went to and what did you wear and do?

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Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Maybe there is a lot of punk from the states that is far superior to alot of the stuff that came from europe-based punk bands, but British punk is the best in the world.

That was expected, your english and from my encounters, the english think they pioneered every popular genre in Rock music . IMO, Their is only a handful of decent punk bands to come out of Britain.

The Fall, Wire, Swell Maps, Crass, Clash, and the jam.

Then again, i can't tolerate any form of Oi punk and 80% of the punk bands in England are Oi based.

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Originally Posted by Iwata

That was expected, your english and from my encounters, the english think they pioneered every popular genre in Rock music . IMO, Their is only a handful of decent punk bands to come out of Britain.

The Fall, Wire, Swell Maps, Crass, Clash, and the jam.

Then again, i can't tolerate any form of Oi punk and 80% of the punk bands in England are Oi based.

I can see where you're coming from since Oi is my favorite type of punk so for me Britain is easily the punk capital of the world. What's your fav type of punk?

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My favorite subgenres of punk are generally 80's Hardcore/American Underground and post-punk.

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