Holy SHIT. UCLA students tazer'd by police for not showing ID -- VIDEO INCLUDED

Originally Posted by Iwata

Although the U.S prison system currently is over-packed and funding is sparse. if the U.S had to take on extra 1 billion citizens, all the 3,370 inmates on death row currently, wouldn't be alive for more then two days.

This seems irrelevent, because China never magically took on 1 billion extra people.

As for the video, it was kind of disturbing to watch. I had a feeling the kid was trying to prove a point to the police and not fully cooperating, but not to the point where a taser was anywhere near necessary.

It reminds me of what I saw around here when Michigan State's basketball team lost in March of 2005. After the game, a lot of students were leaving to head home, and police were already lining the streets. They shot off tear gas into crowds to prevent riots from starting, which effectively huddled students into bigger crowds, where more teargas was dispensed. Police then yelled for people to go home while filling paths home with teargas.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

As wrong as the cops were, I can't help but think how much better off that guy would have been if he didn't pull that Ghandi shit. If that happened at a LA high school someone would have probably pulled out a gun or started a riot. Is there not a law in California that allows the citizen's arrest of anyone committing a criminal act?

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Originally Posted by TheKnightOfNee

It reminds me of what I saw around here when Michigan State's basketball team lost in March of 2005. After the game, a lot of students were leaving to head home, and police were already lining the streets. They shot off tear gas into crowds to prevent riots from starting, which effectively huddled students into bigger crowds, where more teargas was dispensed. Police then yelled for people to go home while filling paths home with teargas.

At least no one was shot in the eye with a pepper spray projectile and died.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by kuttlas

As wrong as the cops were, I can't help but think how much better off that guy would have been if he didn't pull that Ghandi shit. If that happened at a LA high school someone would have probably pulled out a gun or started a riot. Is there not a law in California that allows the citizen's arrest of anyone committing a criminal act?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...#United_States

What does that have to do with this, though?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Chief of Police,
Karl T. Ross

kross@ucpd.ucla.edu

I don't know about you but I feel we should send all send him an email with our thoughts.

Double Post:
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/contact.html

Sorry for the DP, wanted to add that.

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Originally Posted by kuttlas

Is there not a law in California that allows the citizen's arrest of anyone committing a criminal act?

How was he doing anything criminal?

Also isn't the function of a taser to constrict someone's ability to effectively control their muscles (IE: running away, etc) for a period of time (~15 minutes) so they can can make an arrest more peaceful? So isn't tasering him, then asking him to stand up immediately after, say a little, counterproductive? Basically they started the tasering when a police grabbed him, and now they're commenting that he "resisted arrest" when he refused to stand up after the fact.

Something tells me these guys were just trigger happy, panicked and in the heat of the moment, when adrenaline pumping, handled the following situation very badly. Also by the name of the guy, he seems of Middle Eastern descent (my own assumption) so that probably played a role as well.

HE'S A TERRORIST. ZAP HIM.

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This reminds me of an incident which occurred here just last week.

Derek Hale, a 25 year old marine veteran who served two tours in Iraq and had no arrest record, was sitting on the stoop of a rowhouse down in the city talking to a woman and her two children. It was somewhat cold that day, so he was wearing a hoodie with his hands in both pockets. Suddenly, an unmarked black SUV and an unmarked sedan pull up in front of him and six uniformed officers get out. They all point their weapons at him and demand that he place his hands over his head.

Before Hale is able to comply, one of the officers tazers him. He immediately begins to convulse and his right hand comes out of his pocket, shaking violently. After the first tazer pulse ends, officer again shout order for Hale to put his hands over his head. His body still shaking, officers tazer Hale a second time. He slumps over and vomits to his left while convulsing.

Bear in mind that at this point no officer has made any attempt to approach Hale in order to physically restrain him. Bystanders are appalled at what is occurring. One shouted at the officers that their actions were 'overkill'. The police told him to "shut [...] up, or they'd show him overkill."

After the second pulse ends, Hale rights himself. He is tazered a third time. Violently shaking, both Hale's hands are now visible. He begins to lean forward when the nearest officer decides that Hale is now an immediate lethal threat and puts three rounds of .40 S&W into his chest, killing him instantly. In his pockets they found pepper spray and a swiss army knife.

When asked if Hale ever threatened the officers at the scene, Master Sgt. Steven Elliot replied "In a sense, when he did not comply with their commands..."

Wow. I guess not complying with officer's instructions when they are pumping 50,000 peak Voltage through your body warrants three rounds in the chest. Nothing short of completely fucked up.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by ElectricSheep

This reminds me of an incident which occurred here just last week.

Derek Hale, a 25 year old marine veteran who served two tours in Iraq and had no arrest record, was sitting on the stoop of a rowhouse down in the city talking to a woman and her two children. It was somewhat cold that day, so he was wearing a hoodie with his hands in both pockets. Suddenly, an unmarked black SUV and an unmarked sedan pull up in front of him and six uniformed officers get out. They all point their weapons at him and demand that he place his hands over his head.

Before Hale is able to comply, one of the officers tazers him. He immediately begins to convulse and his right hand comes out of his pocket, shaking violently. After the first tazer pulse ends, officer again shout order for Hale to put his hands over his head. His body still shaking, officers tazer Hale a second time. He slumps over and vomits to his left while convulsing.

Bear in mind that at this point no officer has made any attempt to approach Hale in order to physically restrain him. Bystanders are appalled at what is occurring. One shouted at the officers that their actions were 'overkill'. The police told him to "shut [...] up, or they'd show him overkill."

After the second pulse ends, Hale rights himself. He is tazered a third time. Violently shaking, both Hale's hands are now visible. He begins to lean forward when the nearest officer decides that Hale is now an immediate lethal threat and puts three rounds of .40 S&W into his chest, killing him instantly. In his pockets they found pepper spray and a swiss army knife.

When asked if Hale ever threatened the officers at the scene, Master Sgt. Steven Elliot replied "In a sense, when he did not comply with their commands..."

Wow. I guess not complying with officer's instructions when they are pumping 50,000 peak Voltage through your body warrants three rounds in the chest. Nothing short of completely fucked up.

I went and looked up the news story for this.

Jesus christ, just reading that has me feeling incredibly furious. They murdered that man in cold blood. And they're all going to get away with it too. You know, cop brotherhood, good old boy network, that sort of thing. It just makes me sick to my stomach.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Devil's advocate: for every 1 bad cop or story of police stupidity, there's probably 500 positive stories out there.

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I know, but the bad ones just seem to stick out so horribly, especially cases like this.

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Originally Posted by Iwata

Although the U.S prison system currently is over-packed and funding is sparse. if the U.S had to take on extra 1 billion citizens, all the 3,370 inmates on death row currently, wouldn't be alive for more then two days.

China may not have 90% of the world population, yet they are the largest country in the world by 200,000 million people with 1.3 billion citizens unlike the U.S's tiny population of 300 million.

Now lets take a look at the number of incarcerated prisoners within each country.

US - 1,962,220 criminals
China - 1,428,126 criminals

If the U.S had to take on an extra billion citizens, it is easy to gurantee that the capital punishment would reach the current numbers that china are showing, if not higher.

Those numbers are irrelvant to the discussion of capital punishment. Not everyone in prison gets executed. The US justice system has far, far too many people, and we have one of the largets prison popluations in the world.. Boo fucking hoo.

That still doesn't have anything to do with capital punishment.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Devil's advocate 2: and there are also infinite different ways of telling the same story.

One of my best friends is a cop, and it helps a lot understanding how complicated some cases are. When it fucks up, it's rarely entirely blamable on an individual of either sides.

As for the video, it was disturbing indeed, but we couldnt see shit. The question of wether or not he was actually able to get up or not is crucial, there.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Devil's advocate: for every 1 bad cop or story of police stupidity, there's probably 500 positive stories out there.

I was just about to post something similar. There ARE cases of abuse of power and police brutality, but I for one greatly appreciate the service policemen do for us everyday.

The video was disturbing, but I have no idea what happened before. I have a feeling the kid was giving the police a hard time before he was tazered. Probably not enough to warrent the tazering, but I doubt he was being delightful and fully compliant with them.

FELIPE NO

The victim looks like he's in a computer lab or a library. Why not knock the freaking cop out. He's loud and obviously has some sense of hostility. I'd of gone for it. Knock the cop onto the floor, get the tazer, take him back to the hippie days. Would of been fairly easy too. The cop notices he's getting surrounded by a crowd, a sense of uneasiness would be the only tool that victim needed. Because, the cop would be thinking:

"What if I get ganged up on? Can I report them all? I don't know all of them. This guy is loud. I wanted to see your ID buddy, but noooo. Who do you think I am? Uh oh, more people."

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Hahaha too bad there were like 8 cops.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Pretty disturbing video. I'm not sure about what to think about this though. I mean there seems to be a vital part missing. When the guy who filmed this got up because of the screaming, we already saw the dude lying on the floor. I'd like to know why he got tazered because that's not in the video.

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What they did by asking for his badge number was probably the smartest thing they could have done. If I'm not mistaken, an officer must produce his badge number when asked. After that, it's a simple matter of showing the video to the right people, and this asshole would go down.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

What part of serve and protect don't those thugs understand? I didn't see a single person who enjoyed that little show! Well, besides the lucky fuzzball who got to show off his shiny new Lawgiver 3000...

"Hey, fellas! Lookiee here! I'm a RoboCop!"
"Doug, you God damned nerd."
"Here man, ya gotta try it!"
"Whoa, cool! Hey look! I'm Luke Skymaster!"

Originally Posted by Capo

What they did by asking for his badge number was probably the smartest thing they could have done. If I'm not mistaken, an officer must produce his badge number when asked. After that, it's a simple matter of showing the video to the right people, and this asshole would go down.

It's times like this that YouTube really comes in handy. Somethin' tells me the right people are gonna see this video. Just a hunch. :P

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Wow, that video was extremely disturbing for me. Plus, what was even more infuriating was the ways that these particular cops handled this situation.

I don't know too much about cops in America, but based on the replies that I've read here, they were certainly in the wrong for using the excuse that this particular guy was such a threat to society (by not showing ID and on his way out of the building) that he deserved being shocked multiple times to the point that he was physically unable to walk.

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I was wondering what this is about, since one of my distant friends just invited to be on a facebook group which was something like "those who are disgusted by the UCLA's actions". At first, I thought it was pretty weird to get this out of the blue, but this is terrible!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?