[General Discussion] Sonic turned 15

Hmm, if you are all dying to play side scrolling Sonic in 3D, isn't there this game called Sonic Rivals for PSP? I've only seen a few videos, but it seems like the closest thing to old school Sonic...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Wow, I can't believe it's that old.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Zip

YES! nice to know im not the only one that wants one.

Actually, I'm sure there's a ton of people who want an all out console 3D sidescrolling sonic (much like people wanting that in a mario game, unless you count Super Paper Mario).

Then again, I don't even know if they can actually make good Sonic games anymore so I don't know if that would even be better then the typical Sonic crap being shoved out. Looking at the mediocrity that is Sonic Rush (even though everyone ate it up).

They need to work on good level designs. Sonic games haven't been doing that right (one of the major follies in Sonic Rush, Heroes, and Shadow).

FELIPE NO

...bad level design? In a 2-D Sonic. HA.

I thought the only 2-D Sonic with crap level design were all the late game Game Gear ones (Sonic Blast, Sonic Labrynth). You have a point with Shadow and Heroes. Even the abysmal Sonic Advance 2 had level design that suited its purpose well (HOLD RIGHT TO WIN ZOMG), even if you were aiming for the 7 special rings by the time you perfected their locations.

Someone on this board said Advance 3 was "Mario on fast forward" rather than a Sonic game, and that still boggles me to this day.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM7TDIjvGIE

I'm impressed. I don't know why, but I just am.

The music was added, btw. The cult has the original video but I can't freaking find it.

EDIT: Found it. But I'm not hotlinking, just go to their site and look it up under their upcoming stuff.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Looks pretty cool. I like how they brought back the killer whale from SA 1. And you get to ride him this time.

One thing bothers me though. Was that a gun he was holding in the last few seconds of it?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

No. He wasn't holding anything, unless you count Princess Elise somewhere close to the end.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Ohh... I see. Didn't notice the head and two legs before. Thank god.

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Did anyone encounter a glitch in either Sonic 1 or Sonic 2 (I think it was Sonic 1 because I don't think Tails was trailing along with me) in the levels that were like pinball machines where you turned into a giant coin? I did that once - jumped up into the wall and turned into a coin. I could move right/left but that was about it, then I died and went back to the last start point as normal Sonic. That was the weirdest console glitch I've ever encountered...

I was speaking idiomatically.

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a big sonic fan, but I'm pissed off in a similar way to all the other old schoolers here (although I confess I found parts of sonic rush to be 'cool' GASP!). The last game I played through was shadow the hedgehog although that made me crack up how one minute they'd try to be hardcore then the next you could just imagine where the censor had stepped in,

Spoiler:

if you were still playing by the end boss and heard the speech about everyone dying from gas poisoning you'll know what I mean...

As for this new xbox 360 sonic game looks like some kind of frecking final fantasy sonic crossover! With a dash of shadow part2 I guess -_-

Am I the only one who's noticed on the later games especially on nintendo that the levels (like most on sonic advance 3) look more like something out of a mario game? While we're on the subject of Mario I think SEGA for some reason at about sonic adventure 1 felt they needed to make sonic talk to compete with mario64 and also make him sound 'cooler' when they done the complete opposite >.>

Lastly going a little fanboy here I'm amused no-one's even tried mentioning the now totally fucked up game storyline! What is there now 10 alternative story arcs? -_-

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

...these Sonic Advance 3 = Mario's levels have got to stop. Where the hell do these people get this from?

And I also like your bitching about the plot--"ZOMG SONIC HAS A PLOT NOW IT'S ALL DOOOMED!" "I can't make sense between two universes so IT'S ALL DOOMED!"

T.V shows/comics don't count in Sega canon, so come back when you sound a little more objective and less 2-D fanboy, kthnx.

FELIPE NO

It's hard to say exactly what causes the mario comparison it's a lot of little things I guess like those tiny crumbeling platform parts or the games where you only spin using a seperate button even on a jump, I wasn't saying it's bad it just seemed out of character from the series (then again so was the "lolz! I have big gunzzz!!!).

Also don't mistake me as completly into only the 2D games and having read every story ever made, because they're quite frankly not worth the effort, all the different storys just make whatever storyline there was pretty much redundant every time a new wave of games get brought out. I just feel if they're going for the fmv crap they should try and keep some kind of history going, what's left of sega in it's attempts to keep sonic 'cool' just seems to keep rewriting everything about the universe but the core gameplay.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I think the Sonic/Mario comparisons root in the fact that both of them are being whored out on extreme levels. Mario is featured in NBA and DDR games while Sonic 1 is being re-released the 52nd time.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

^I was specifically referring to Sonic Advance 3, not Sonic as a whole.

I'm not even sure where you get the fact that Sonic is trying too hard to be 'cool'. That's ALWAYS how he's been, he's always been designed to appeal to the cool crowd since 1991, and that probably won't change. If it's anyone who tries too hard to be cool, it's Shadow. (I mean, who the fuck says "I'm the coolest!" when they're getting their ass kicked?!)

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I saw the preview trailer for the new Sonic game and then I saw Shadow in it and I weeped for a moment...

Sonic used to be fun before they decide to give him "Street Cred"


This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I haven't kept up with the new Sonic developments because the recent games have been such a dissapointment that it's been hard for me to care. Tell me if I'm right or wrong on the following.

The XBox360 and PS3 versions of the new Sonic are the same, which is also the one in the linked video.

This Sonic takes place in a world that is closer to resembling ours.

There is another Sonic game on the Gamecube which is (vastly?) different and whos atmosphere is more like the old Sonic games.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Furby

I saw the preview trailer for the new Sonic game and then I saw Shadow in it and I weeped for a moment...

Sonic used to be fun before they decide to give him "Street Cred"

You lose, 2-D fanboy. Sonic has always been about "street cred" since 1991.

Originally Posted by Hotobu

I haven't kept up with the new Sonic developments because the recent games have been such a dissapointment that it's been hard for me to care. Tell me if I'm right or wrong on the following.

The XBox360 and PS3 versions of the new Sonic are the same, which is also the one in the linked video.

This Sonic takes place in a world that is closer to resembling ours.

There is another Sonic game on the Gamecube which is (vastly?) different and whos atmosphere is more like the old Sonic games.

You're wrong on one account--the Nintendo Sonic is on the Wii. And why does setting even freaking matter? You're all like "Sonic's trying too hard to be cool so he's lame now" but that's what he's always been doing. LET FRIGGIN GO of 1994 and move on if Sonic doesn't interest you anymore. It swear it's turning into a goddamn mopefest again.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

You lose, 2-D fanboy. Sonic has always been about "street cred" since 1991.

You could totally rail grind with your Soap shoes way back in Sonic 1, yes.

How ya doing, buddy?

Actually I was talking Sonic's attitude: the "blue dude with a tude" jabber is just as "forced cool = lame" as the whole "This is tight!" Sonic right now.

I bet if Sega came up with Soap Shoes in 1991 Sonic would be all over it.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

You lose, 2-D fanboy. Sonic has always been about "street cred" since 1991.

Fail. Around the 1st few games they made him more out to be a surfer. Even in the cartoons, he had more of a surfer/chillback attitude.

Now they're giving the Sonic guys Guns and Vehicles? Big difference there...

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Furby

Fail. Around the 1st few games they made him more out to be a surfer. Even in the cartoons, he had more of a surfer/chillback attitude.

Now they're giving the Sonic guys Guns and Vehicles? Big difference there...

I like how you confuse Shadow with Sonic. Shadow has guns. No wait, Shadow HAD guns. Sonic never has, never will.

And the chillback attitude was the "cool" thing to do back in 1991. Nice try though.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Furby

Fail. Around the 1st few games they made him more out to be a surfer. Even in the cartoons, he had more of a surfer/chillback attitude.

Now they're giving the Sonic guys Guns and Vehicles? Big difference there...

Yeah! I use to love the old Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog show. It was really light hearted and I'd always run home from school to catch it. It also made me want to eat chili dogs.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I never really saw the old Sonic as having a surfer attitude. In fact, he kinda imitated/mocked it a few times in AoSTH.

Furby, when you're talking about the first few games, do you mean the Adventure series?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

I like how you confuse Shadow with Sonic. Shadow has guns. No wait, Shadow HAD guns. Sonic never has, never will.

And the chillback attitude was the "cool" thing to do back in 1991. Nice try though.

Yeah, Shadow carried the "loaded clip" but they still tied in Shadow to the Sonic the Hedgehog Series.

In 1991, that was the scene but so was the grunge thing.. You don't see SONIC THE GRUNGER!

Sonic> yeah, they made the cartoon around the sametime that they made the 1st few games. I'm linking the 2 together but they ran side by side..

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Let compare again:
Sonic 1: blur in blue, blue dude with a 'tude, etc
Sonic now: IMA ROLLIN AROUND WITH THE SPEED OF DA SOUND, GOTTA FOLLOW MY RAINBOOOW

Sonic 1: evil doctor who turns animals into robot slaves
Sonic now: I AM THE EGGMAN, THATS WHAT I AM, THE EGGMAN, YES, I'M THE EGGMAN THE EGGMAAAAAN, OH YEA DOO DOO DOOOO

Clearly there's some basic level of difference in the amount of "street cred" they force in the games, isnt there?

Oh, and thats another good point: back then, they concentrated on making a good game, and sold it with "street cred". Now they concentrate on forcing "street cred" INTO the game, and sell it with the name established by the revolutionary original series. Notice how "making a good game" is noticably missing in the process, too.

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