[Manga] Civil War Discussion Thread

The only thing I can't explain is why he doesn't seem to have pupils.

FELIPE NO

Wow. Civil War #4. Wow.

Mr. Fantastic and Iron Man are crazy. They are actually making a superhero clone army to fight against Cap and co. WTF. Mad props to Sue for protecting the ressistance and leaving the pro side.

Also, I was very disappointed with the choice of character to kill. I barely know anything about this guy. I think that they should have killed off somebody else.

I'm predicting that Spidey is switching sides in the next issue.

Wolverine is turning into crap. "Oh shit, some corporation was working behind the scenes to make the incident happen." I totally agree with the IGN reviewer - the social commentary is nice, but it also takes away from the whole event.

What day is CW5 scheduled for? I'm already counting the days - this is the best story ever told in comic book format. It needs to be made into a movie or two.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I agree, when he was killed i was like ::sigh::. Like who cares, I didnt even know who he was until 3-4 months ago. Kill some major guy because death in comic world only lasts like a year or two before someone tries to resurect you again and the world goes apeshit .

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CW4 - ...... I seriously don't know what to write. I'm still kind of dumb-struck, and pissed cause it isn't October yet, and I can't get CW5... The only person (real) I can blame right now is Reed Richards. Anyone else feel that the encounter between Stark and the Sharpe lady was kinda touching?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

It was kind of touching, but kind of "eh." Obviously Mrs Sharpe wants Tony to feel good about what she's doing because she's the one (on top of Stamford) that kind of prompted Tony to do it.

Or is she?

I admit I didn't follow Marvel stuff prior to Civil War so I don't really know what's up with Thor and all, but what the heck? Keeping hair? That's some awfully keen foresight. I can't wait til the next issue -- hope Spider-man hurries up and switches sides.

Also, Reed is a dick (and c0xblocked)

How ya doing, buddy?

I think we can all figure out who the man in the ski mask is. Issue #4 shows how desperate the pro-reg people are: cloning Thor and having all those villians working for them. I'm kind of split about whose side I'm on. I understand both sides of the argument.

xman25

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Man in the ski mask???

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yes, man in the ski mask. Top panel on the page where Goliath's funeral begins and the bottom panel of the page before it. It's in the book. Looking at the art again, I don't think it's who I originally thought it was. Different eye color.

xman25

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I'm kinda confused about something. If you clone a God, would it be the real thing? I mean no one but Thor was supposed to have been able to lift that Hammer, so how come his clone was able to do just that?

FELIPE NO

Who did you think it was, xman? Cuz I'll just up and admit I'm confused.

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I'm pretty sure that was a fake hammer. Isn't there a panel where they show some wires in it?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

It's probably a fake hammer, since another "Thor" got the hammer from the FF book a while back.

Who the heck is the man in the ski mask?

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I originally thought that the guy in the ski mask was Spider-Man, but the two have different eye color.

xman25

Double Post:
From newsrama.com. An interview with Joe Quesada, Editor-in-Chief of Marvel:

This week after a few "very special editions" in a row, we're back to a more familiar format. We ask Joe Quesada about Civil War and try to pry as much new info out of him, and he gives in here and refuses our advances there...
Newsarama: Joe, starting off with some Civil War questions that aren’t about scheduling in a month - it's not as if you're living in an ivory tower up there…what's your take on the reactions to issue #4? Pretty much as expected or are there responses and reactions that have surprised you?

Joe Quesada: Was there a reaction to Civil War #4? Did that finally come out? [laughs] Man, I must have missed that one.

In all seriousness, it was all very expected and we're not done yet. To be honest, I would have been devastated if we hadn't have gotten this reaction. This is what Civil War is all about, it's breaking some rules and it's got surprises at every turn. It also looks awful pretty.

NRAMA: Interestingly, the mainstream press picked up on Sue leaving Reed. Why do you think that hooked their interest, rather than, say, the hero killing hero as seen in the battle?

JQ: Because to the world outside of comics, unless the hero is one of the big icons, Spider-Man, Superman, etc. no one really cares. No one on the “street” knows who Goliath is. On the flip side of that, the FF, even before the movie had a decent level of recognition within the mainstream world and the book has always revolved around the idea of family. What's happening in Civil War and in FF proper strikes at the core of that idea and rips it apart, it's a very digestible event for the mainstream news to report. In other words, people outside of comics “get it.”

I also think it's just another in the many things about Civil War that hit, especially we Americans, between the eyes. Civil War is playing to the idea of polarization within the Marvel Universe, fandom, and our world. It reflects a very key component of what is happening in America today and I believe that that is one of the keys of its success. We've all been hearing stories about how politics has been tearing family and friends apart in this very partisan climate that has seemed to have developed over a very short period of time, so I believe that much of that has played into it.

Ten years ago, the idea of a couple splitting up because of varying political beliefs was so much more foreign than it is today, today, not so much. Reed and Sue are the marital icons of the world of comics, so their split is something that the news and everyone in general will be interested in.

NRAMA: We spoke with Tom [Brevoort] and Mark [Millar] about this earlier, but with the Pro-Registration side as it’s shown, can you honestly say they're still being shown in an even-handed manner? After all, Cap may have thrown the first punch, but Tony's side killed someone, is cloning an army, and sticking things in Clor's ear (that's what we call cloned Thor around here)…

That said - can you see the point of view of fans who say that you're only presenting Cap in a sympathetic light?

JQ: We are only on issue #4; can we just let the story play itself out? That said, I don't know if you can convince someone about one thing or another once they have their hearts set on something. I personally believe that many people were inclined to root for

Cap at the very onset as he is clearly the underdog and fighting against the big machine that is Tony, his troops and the government. Like so many things in life that affect people at their most base emotional levels, it would take a pretty harsh action to have them change their minds otherwise. But, with that in mind, do you think for a second that we didn't know where people were going to be instantly leaning?

Even before the first page of Civil War was read, we were 100% sure of who fandom was going to be rooting for, but that's pretty true of any story. What's key here is that that is how great writers construct their stories and they use those tools and manipulation of a reader's emotions in order to keep them guessing and surprised with how things turn out. Sometimes the butler has done it, sometimes not.

NRAMA: If you can, explain the “new” Thunderbolts a little…less quasi heroes acting on the fringes and more…Dirty Dozen?

JQ: You could say that, but it may be a bit more intense than that, actually I know it will be. I think when you hear what's happening to the book and the creative team involved, the boards will be alight with chatter and the Internet will have been shatter yet again. Come on, by this point you know we can do it [laughs]!

NRAMA: So - not to wade fully back into the horse guts of the dead one that's been beaten into paste…but this issue was late in arriving. Sales wise, have you seen an effect of it being late? Are the numbers down from #3? Or the velocity of re-orders decreased?

JQ: [Laughs] This is going to blow you away, but orders keep going up! They keep going on and not just on the main title, but on the tie-ins as well. Sales on issue #4 were higher than issue #3!

Also, if anything, we were very fortunate in that the delays helped reorder activity. We sent more issues back to press between 3 and 4 than we have all series so far, including a back to press on the monster-selling first issue.

So, without further or do, gentlemen and ladies start your engines, let the speculation and conspiracy theories begin. I mean that is what happens on the Internet, right?

NRAMA: Okay – let’s get to reader questions…a few more Civil War-related topics, and then on to a potpourri…

JQ: Sure, shoot!

NRAMA: So far we have only seen Iron Fist posing as Daredevil in Civil War. Will we get to see Matt Murdock in the story time soon?

JQ: I know it sounds cliché, but wait and see. Currently as all readers and lovers of Daredevil are aware, Matt is out of the country at the moment, so it's a bit tough for him to be a part of the action, but I'm sure he's there in spirit. That's the beauty of Civil War and the Marvel Universe as it stands right now, you have no idea what's going to happen next!

NRAMA: I was surprised to learn that Howard the Duck is making an appearance in the Civil War: Choosing Sides special. I believe Steve Gerber's Howard the Duck was one of the finest series to ever come out of Marvel. What are the chances of Gerber returning to the character he made famous?

JQ: Nope, currently there are no plans for a Gerber Howard the Duck series.
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This is not the entire interview, just the Civil War related Q&As.

xman25

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Does anyone know if Wolverine #42 will be going through a third printing? It saddens me that I couldn't even pick up a copy of the second printing ...

Speaking of reprints/variants, how much are the variants in your area (or are they all the same everywhere)? The Civil War #4 Turner variant goes for $20 at my local comic shop, while the black/white New Avengers #23 variant goes for $10.

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Originally Posted by aznxinvazn

Speaking of reprints/variants, how much are the variants in your area (or are they all the same everywhere)? The Civil War #4 Turner variant goes for $20 at my local comic shop, while the black/white New Avengers #23 variant goes for $10.

My local comic shop sells the variant issues at cover price, at least that's how much he's been selling them to me anyway (heh, I always ask him to put aside one for me). But I know that there a few other shops in town that sell em between $15-$70, depending on their rarity. Eg. the $70 ones would be the sketch cover variants for CW, with the CW Turner variants at about $24-$30.

I was speaking idiomatically.

For anyone who missed and/or likes to collect, from silverbulletcomicbooks.com:

Civil War #3 Goes Back To Press With Thor Returns Variant

Posted: Tuesday, October 3
Posted By: Keith Dallas

In order to keep the hottest series of the year in stock and on shelves for readers, Marvel is going back to press on the red-hot Civil War #3 with a Thor Returns Variant Cover.

The comic event of the decade just gets bigger and better as the long-missing Thor returned... and was shown to be on the side of the Pro-Registration heroes. The Thunder God's return in Civil War #3 is one of the biggest comic moments of 2006, making this issue a must-have.

The reaction to Civil War has been tremendous from the beginning and as this event marches on, it keeps getting better and better.

Civil War keeps gaining momentum so be on the lookout for the 2nd printing of Civil War #3 with the Thor Returns Variant Cover.

CIVIL WAR #3 (OF 7) THOR RETURNS SECOND PRINTING VARIANT (AUG068071)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
32 PGS./Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC - 10/19, On-Sale - 11/8/2006
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xman25

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by xman25

The comic event of the decade just gets bigger and better as the long-missing Thor returned... and was shown to be on the side of the Pro-Registration heroes. The Thunder God's return in Civil War #3 is one of the biggest comic moments of 2006, making this issue a must-have.

Thor's returned? Since when? Oh, he means the guy the Pro-side is trying to pass for Thor. That's hardy what he says.

FELIPE NO

Sweet, thanks for the info! Definitely another cover to pick up.

Quote:

Thor's returned? Since when? Oh, he means the guy the Pro-side is trying to pass for Thor. That's hardy what he says.

It's spoiler proof, so that's a good thing, even though it's not true. Last thing they want is spoil a piece of the story on their site.

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I'm not giving any description coz I'm still aching in the sides from too much laughing... Seriously, after the taut edge CW had most of us on, this one was a unexpected (not to mention outrageously funny) break... :biggrin:

Jam it back in, in the dark.

From silverbulletcomicbooks.com:

Civil War Meets "Planet Hulk" In Incredible Hulk #100

Posted: Monday, October 9
Posted By: Keith Dallas

Civil War is going to get a taste of the incredible in the pages of Incredible Hulk #100 as the seeds are planted for next year's epic World War Hulk. The milestone centennial issue of Incredible Hulk will feature a back-up story penned by Greg Pak with pencils by Gary Frank bringing to readers a very important Civil War story that examines whether the Illuminati was justified in banishing the Hulk into space. Plus, learn more about the Thor clone that debuted in Civil War #3 and killed Goliath in Civil War #4.

Not only will this Hulk-sized issue contain an important Civil War back-up story and reprints of the Incredible Hulk #3, #143, and #152, but this issue continues the instant-classic "Planet Hulk" story as the next chapter, "Planet Hulk: Allegiance," begins.

Like the "Road to Civil War" issues, which sold out quickly and had multiple reprintings, Incredible Hulk #100 is sure to be a red-hot issue as the road to next year's big event, World War Hulk, begins here!

Will the Hulk save Sakaar from the planet's greatest enemies or will he fulfill the prophecy of the Sakkarson and be revealed as the Worldbreaker? It's an all-out smash-fest as the Hulk and Caiera the Oldstrong lead their warriors against the horrifying Spikes. And amidst the battle, Miek undergoes a shocking development.

There are 100 reasons not to miss Incredible Hulk #100: Civil War, "Planet Hulk," Greg Pak, the return of Carlo Pagulayan, Gary Frank penciling Hulk again, classic Hulk stories, and the list goes on.
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The issue is scheduled to come out November 1 of this year. I can't wait for the Hulk to come back. You know he is going to give the Illuminati a lot of shit. The site has scans of some of the pages from the issue. I've included one scan which ties in to Civil War, so I guess the 'spoiler warning' can apply to it.

xman25

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I bet Miek has a sex change. :P

Also, that Civil War page is so useless. It's just Clor on a table.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I finally got around to reading this issue. And I must say it's the worst comic I've read since Infinite Crisis (pick a part). The characterization issues, the sonic device use in the battle, the clichéd explosion of gas truck hitting something, the fact that three of the smartest minds in Marvel cannot control their creation and can't shrink Goliath, and the lack of understanding of where these villains came from are all factors as to why I don't like this issue. And since the story probably won't end with issue #7 anyway, I'm not sure it's worth it to continue reading.

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From newsarama.com:

PREVIEWING TURNER'S COVER TO CIVIL WAR #5
From Marvel

Michael Turner’s Variant for Civil War #5 has been revealed as the next issue of Civil War gets closer and closer.

Civil War #5 is fast approaching and is on track for its on-sale date of November 15th, when the comic world is sure to be rocked by the next important chapter in this universe-changing event.

The Punisher enters the war in Civil War #5, but whose side is Frank Castle on? Is he even on anybody’s side? The Punisher always works alone, but will a war among super-heroes cause him to rethink his position as the lone wolf?

Plus, the villains of the Marvel Universe make their presence known and change the balance of power in the war. But who or what are they targeting?
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I really like the variant cover that Turner did. I hope I have an extra $15 for the variant. $15 is what the store I go to charges for the non-sketch variants to the main Cival War issues. I think they charge $75 for the sketch variants. Newsarama included a picture of Turner's variant to Cival War #5.

xman25

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by xman25

I really like the variant cover that Turner did. I hope I have an extra $15 for the variant. $15 is what the store I go to charges for the non-sketch variants to the main Cival War issues. I think they charge $75 for the sketch variants. Newsarama included a picture of Turner's variant to Cival War #5.

xman25

WTF. That doesn't make any sense. Why are the variants so much?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Supply and demand.

xman25

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