[Wii] Official Nintendo Wii thread

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The simple fact is that I don't want to buy a PS3 AND upgrade my computer If I can just Buy a PS3 and play ALL my games on that. Hell most people can't stop bitch'n about how much the PS3 already is so why would someone get the system and upgrade their computer?

The other advantage is that this way I can take my games with me when I go places, and I can play FPSs with my friends Online.

Finally here's some FPSs that will ONLY be onconsole that are coming out;
Resistance
The Darkness
Killzone
KillingDay
Coded Arms

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StarmanDX: I've been working at a videogame store for three years and I have yet to see anyone say that either the X-box or GameCube controller is better then the PS2 controller (overall). Sure the GC controller works for games that are designed for it Ex. Resident Evil 4, but when you get into cross platform games and fighting games the GC controller was just ugly for resonse time due to it's buttons being too far apart and the buttons are analog, not digital which in itself is less efficient.

Don't get me wrong the PS2 controller sucks for FPSs and Resident Evil 4. And the X-box controller was the WORST for fighting games and is a bit wonky in Ninja Gaiden.

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Originally Posted by Slayer X

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Anyways.....Back on topic...

I can really see some use in the covers for the controllers, especially if they're relatively fragile compared to the GC's (Hell, everything is Fragile compared to the GC, that thing can take a load of punishment). But the buttons would feel wierd because they no longer protrude from the remote, but instead, you have to depress into the controller + cover.

And I second on the question "Why the hell do we need dog tags on Wiimotes?"

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Originally Posted by SlayerX

StarmanDX: I've been working at a videogame store for three years and I have yet to see anyone say that either the X-box or GameCube controller is better then the PS2 controller (overall). Sure the GC controller works for games that are designed for it Ex. Resident Evil 4, but when you get into cross platform games and fighting games the GC controller was just ugly for resonse time due to it's buttons being too far apart and the buttons are analog, not digital which in itself is less efficient.

You have got to be shitting me....The GC buttons are too far apart? If anything they're a bit too close together. The General Consensus I've heard is that the GC controller is probably one of the best controllers out there.

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PS controller is about as comfortable as holding a hedgehog. No, wait, less. 360, Xbox (duke and Controller S) and GCN are actually very well designed and they're shaped to be held by human hands. The PS controller is angular as hell, the analogue sticks are IMPOSSIBLE to retain a grip on, the "analogue" face buttons are trash - I would have been deluded into thinking they were digital lest I'd been told.

GCN controller = One of the most comfortable I've ever held. The single flaw I can bring up is just how shitty it actually is for fighting games, and to a much lesser extent, FPS.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Is that not what I pretty much said. I sisn't say anything about comfort, I was only ever talking about functionality. What's the use of a comfortable controller if you can't use it? Not that I don't want them to continue innovating to fin the perfect mix of both.

Omnislash: Still, my last point still holds true. Why should I pay for a PS3 and a new PC if I can just get a PS3 and use K&M for thoes games that I so choose to play that way?

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Lapel - noun - either of the two parts of a garment folded back on the chest, esp. a continuation of a coat collar.

And of course you bring up fighting games. And yet, Soul Caliber 2, which was pretty much the only fighting game worth buying for Gamecube, was mapped brilliantly to its buttons. Oh, and it was cross-platform, imagine that. Like Hell I'd have played, say, Beyond Good and Evil or Viewtiful Joe with a PS2 controller. And I wish I could have played Shadow of the Collosus and MGS3 with a GCN controller. Quite frankly, the only game I've ever played that's particularly better with a PS2 controller over GCN is Mega Man Anniversary Collection.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by SlayerX

Omnislash: Still, my last point still holds true. Why should I pay for a PS3 and a new PC if I can just get a PS3 and use K&M for thoes games that I so choose to play that way?

Your last point was:

Originally Posted by SlayerX

There's lots of great FPS games on the consoles that you can't even get on the PC. Also you say getting the PC versions of thoes games would be cheaper? Not when you have to buy a whole new PC just to run the damn things for $1,600, and then that will only last you about three years before you'd have to upgrade.

I'm not saying there aren't good FPS games on consoles, Elixir does have a point as those games on the PC are noticably cheaper than their console counterparts. The difference between a PC and a console is that a PC serves more than one purpose. You upgrading your computer is inevitable, even if you don't game. Eventually, you'll have to upgrade that. With Vista coming out, even the Video Card needs an upgrade.

In fact, the point is there are just some things that don't work well on consoles compared to PCs. FPS games are one of them. (Hopefully the Wii can change that fact) There's a flipside that some games work better on a console than a PC, like Racing games.

The argument of using a PS3 to play something in the fashion of a PC, while it may have some validity, is not completely sound. If anything, it's the reverse logic. If you have a PC, why would you buy a PS3 to play it like a PC, disregarding exclusivity of games?

Anyways...

I really do respect Nintendo and the Wii for taking it into new directions.

What sets the PC, the general consoles, and the Wii apart is that each is good at doing their own type of games. What makes the Wii even more unique out of those is that it attempts to explore into new, uncharted territory for games that previously had little to no success on any platform. PC gaming can be seen as the oldest type of video gaming that still exsists. The only way to keep up with the times is to upgrade your PC when the time comes. and Every so often, you'll have to start from scratch when new technology comes out. This has been known for years. It's about to be the same for consoles. In the old days, when hardware got old, you got the next generation. While that is still generally true, it's becoming less true with Sony and Microsoft. The line between PC gaming and general console gaming (360 and PS3) is starting to blur. This is where the Wii comes in and does something new, something fresh.

There exsists in life a concept sometimes known as the Law of Diminishing Returns which says that everytime you put effort into something, it gets better and better, unfortunately, the law states that at a certain point, the improvement plateaus and becomes stagnant. The Wii is here to stop that point from occuring. PC gaming has been renowned for its innovation ever since the concepts of "mods" for games was born. The innovation in PC gaming lies in the fans, who are able to change gameplay based on their own tastes. Similarly, innovation for the Wii lies in its radically different control scheme.

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Originally Posted by StarmanDX

the only game I've ever played that's particularly better with a PS2 controller over GCN is Mega Man Anniversary Collection.

You can't really bring that up. That was Capcom's mess by not alllowing you to change the buttons around. Jump was B and shot was A, or something, which made it awkward. I can't remember.

Anyway I have yet to see decent FPS titles on current generation consoles which aren't already on PC. It kills the entire feel of the "next generation" if you have to haul out a keyboard and mouse. They should just stop making FPS games entirely.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

This whole argument has become immature and has gone to a place where I don't want to follow. In my original post I never said that one thing was better then the other. All I said was that the Wiimote showed a lot of promise but it still needs to be refined. What the hell's wrong with that? It's a new technology, obviously it's not going to be perfect off the bat.

After which I said that I was glad that the PS3 was going to have K&M support. Whats the matter with that too? Also in my first post on the Wiimote (post #609) at the very end I even gave the Wiimote the benefeit of the dought that it could surpass K&M, what the hell else do you want from me, especially before I even get to use the damn thing. I'm a factual kind of guy I don't like to speculate on matters.

Perhaps this wasn't the place to mention it, but people don't need to get all defensive as to which is better. Why can only one means of interaction be good? Why can't there be multiple effecient ways of playing per each persons own liking? I'm sorry I ever brought it up. I won't say anything about it again, alright? (after this post)

Elixir:

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They should just stop making FPS games entirely

It's one thing to like certain types of games and not others, but do we really need to point fingures and bash things. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's no good. Ex. I hate Halo myself, but it doesn't make every FPS bad. Nor does it mean that Halo is actually bad, I just like games with more story and that doesn't fit my bill, but I know that there's still lots of people who do like it and I'm fine with that. People around GFF need to start being a little more subjective and less objective... this applies to myself too.

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Originally Posted by Slayer X

This whole argument has become immature and has gone to a place where I don't want to follow. In my original post I never said that one thing was better then the other. All I said was that the Wiimote showed a lot of promise but it still needs to be refined. What the hell's wrong with that? It's a new technology, obviously it's not going to be perfect off the bat.

After which I said that I was glad that the PS3 was going to have K&M support. Whats the matter with that too? Also in my first post on the Wiimote (post #609) at the very end I even gave the Wiimote the benefeit of the dought that it could surpass K&M, what the hell else do you want from me, especially before I even get to use the damn thing. I'm a factual kind of guy I don't like to speculate on matters.

Perhaps this wasn't the place to mention it, but people don't need to get all defensive as to which is better. Why can only one means of interaction be good? Why can't there be multiple effecient ways of playing per each persons own liking? I'm sorry I ever brought it up. I won't say anything about it again, alright? (after this post)

I'm sorry if you saw it that way, but I certainly didn't mean it that way. Whatever, let's just leave it.

Anyways, to get back on the Wii direction...

I asked this earlier, but never got a response, how does one input text for the Opera browser for Wii? Is it going to be an onscreen keyboard? Seems like the only option, but, IMO, seems a bit cumbersome.

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It's not like they can't do a firmware update for mouse and keyboard through USB or bluetooth for both the system and Opera. I'm sure if enough people ask for it then it'll be an option. At least I hope it is. It shouldn't be that much trouble.

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Don't expect such a thing as firmware updates from Nintendo. People are desperate for WPA support on the DS, but Nintendo doesn't care at all.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, I'd think that firmware for the DS isn't as easy to update as the firmware for Wii. Perhaps it'll be easier once you own a Wii though since the DS can connect to the Wii easily and since the Wii has much better Internet connectivity.

Also the WPA support is something that would have to be built into the DS games. The NWC interface isn't something built into the system itself. It's in the game cartridges.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

Also the WPA support is something that would have to be built into the DS games. The NWC interface isn't something built into the system itself. It's in the game cartridges.

Unless the WiFi-adaptor itself is built into the cartridge (which I strongly doubt), it shouldn't be too much of a problem to add a standard encryption mode to the device. The way data is sent and received by the DS is of no concern to the game.

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No, but the way the games interact with WiFi is built into the game's code. If the NWC interface was built into the system itself I don't think this would be such a big deal. I kind of wish the DS had a certain amount of flash memory in it reserved for such things. That way you could keep 3 or so WiFi settings in your DS without having to set up the connection in each new NWC-enabled game you get.

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Wii to have an upgradable Linux operating system!

Originally Posted by Iwata Himself

Wii is the first system from Nintendo that we can continue to be involved in (via operating system updates) after the customer buys it. This means that Wii will greatly expand and diversify the ways in which people will enjoy games in the future. I hope you are looking forward to it as much as I am.

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Sounds like a pretty cool thing. Hopefully that will also lead to updates in the software bundled within the system and stuff.

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Originally Posted by sprouticus

Wii to have an upgradable Linux operating system!



Go here and then scroll to the bottom.

Sounds like a pretty cool thing. Hopefully that will also lead to updates in the software bundled within the system and stuff.

Sweet.

So I guess we'll be in store for any special material and functionality even after the product launches. Possibly eventually get a sleeker than the already sleek interface and more cool things. Awesome.

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Please help the n00b here understand how Linux would enhance the Wii experience. I've never in my whole life touched the Linux OS but I've heard that it is WAY better than Windows.

Well, even without knowing the benefits I still feel that it is a huge boost for Wii's potential.

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I think sprout was just having fun there. I've heard nothing that Wii uses Linux of any form. I'm pretty sure it has its own custom-built OS. I've heard that PS3 uses Linux though.

But they've managed to get Linux to run on just about anything regardless so it's probably inevitable regardless if the Wii is running Linux or not.

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I read this on Slashdot, where it was said that it has been widely rumored to have a Linux OS, and this comment from Iwata basically confirms it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by sprouticus

I read this on Slashdot, where it was said that it has been widely rumored to have a Linux OS, and this comment from Iwata basically confirms it.

What!?

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Wii is the first system from Nintendo that we can continue to be involved in (via operating system updates) after the customer buys it. This means that Wii will greatly expand and diversify the ways in which people will enjoy games in the future. I hope you are looking forward to it as much as I am.

How does this confirm Linux on Wii in any way?

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I will re-quote it and bold the important words. I could be wrong in all this, but it sounds convincing.

Quote:

Wii is the first system from Nintendo that we can continue to be involved in (via operating system updates) after the customer buys it. This means that Wii will greatly expand and diversify the ways in which people will enjoy games in the future. I hope you are looking forward to it as much as I am.

Supposedly, from what I've read, the Wii is running a proprietary Linux-based kernal, but I can't find any sources right now. Again, I could be wrong, I just found it interesting.

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Whatever happened to PS3 linux, anyway? They've been very hush-hush about the whole thing as of late.

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That's a question better asked in the PlayStation forum my friend. I myself don't know much on the inerds of the PS3, however MetalSphere who roams the Sony forum probably would know.

As for the Wii. Seeing how it's using Opera that points to that Nintendo didn't want to make their own browser, which therefore means that the Wii would have to be running either Windows or Linux in order to be able to run Opera. Seeing how Windows isn't very likely that points more towards Linux. Also if Nintendo made their own OS coding for the Wii then it would just be more efficient to make the web browser themselves instead of training a third-party to use their code.

Of corse this is all speculation based on logical deduction. The one other way that Opera could be running on the Wii would be if Nintendo did use their own type of coding for the OS and then have a plug-in that could read and process Unix withing their own OS, which would then allow Opera to run on the Wii also.

I know I didn't quite answer the question at hand. However you can see with these different scenarios, which one/ones are the most likely to be true.

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Sprouticus: Thank you for correcting me ^^;

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