[Movie] Prison Break (Season 2 Discussion Thread)

There would have to be a break sometime anyway. This is the normal time for any show. After 7 or 8 episodes. Baseball doesnt change that.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Okay...to everyone who said that John Abruzzi is dead I say bah to you. Absolutely not. He's a MOB BOSS!

Sure he was shot several times by government sharp shooters to the chest. But remember...it was to the chest. He's not dumb. He probably wore a bullet vest to protect himself even against Fibbonacci, let alone government sharpshooters.

And also remember he had ties to the government in the case of Nick, so he plays both sides(And not in the sexual way).

Also...his wife was not informed(Unless I missed something) and they didnt have a public funeral on the show...yet.

And.....he wanted to drop off the face of the earth. And how do you do that? Fake your own death. It's quite easy when you have THAT many connections.

He's not cast for season 2...but if my theory holds up he'll be back by season 3 and in a big way.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

That theory would work except that T-Bag mentioned his death. And since he wasn't anywhere near the shooting, one can assume he got the information through the news.

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Originally Posted by Chris James

And also remember he had ties to the government in the case of Nick, so he plays both sides(And not in the sexual way).

Well actually, Nick wasn't connected to the government (he was just a lawyer for Project Justice), so I guess that means Abruzzi wasn't either (Abruzzi was just using him to get to Veronica so he could eventually get to Michael).

Sorry, he's dead.

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Originally Posted by Chris James

And.....he wanted to drop off the face of the earth. And how do you do that? Fake your own death. It's quite easy when you have THAT many connections.

*Cough* Must I remind you they faked the VPs brothers death too?

It was on the news that HE died too.

When you have ties to the government...it's VERY possible.


If he doesn't return by at least the end of season 3...Then my theories wrong. But no one can tell me otherwise...there's just too much avaliable to say thet he's alive other than "TBag" said he was dead.

There was no funeral procession. Hell, his wife wasn't even told. Not to mention it wasn't a fatal shot that took him down like that of Veronica who took one straight to the head.

They left it open for a return. IT IS possible.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Chris James

*Cough* Must I remind you they faked the VPs brothers death too?

It was on the news that HE died too.

When you have ties to the government...it's VERY possible.

Yes, but he got government cover-up. The FBI would notice if Abruzzi's body disappeared.

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Originally Posted by Chris James

*Cough* Must I remind you they faked the VPs brothers death too?

Yeah, but they actually had a purpose for doing that. What good would keeping Abruzzi alive do for the FBI?

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When you have ties to the government...it's VERY possible.

Okay, but I already disproved your theory on how he had any ties to the government. Unless you can give me some other way in which he was connected (which, based on what's already known, you can't), this isn't very possible.

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There was no funeral procession. Hell, his wife wasn't even told. Not to mention it wasn't a fatal shot that took him down like that of Veronica who took one straight to the head.

Okay, how is the fact that he got shot at by like over six people with semi-automatic weapons, with at least three large shots near the heart shown,(check the video here) mean that there wasn't a fatal shot?

And just because they didn't show his wife being told about his death or a funeral procession doesn't mean that they didn't happen. Aside from the time constraints (the show is only 44 minutes, so it's not like they can show every little thing), there are some other things to think about. His wife knew where he was, and was helping him escape, so that itself could be seen as a crime (aiding a fugitive or something), which means they would be rushing to arrest her faster than they would be trying to tell her that her husband is dead. This arrest would obviously delay any funeral that might be had.

Sorry, I just don't see anything supporting him being alive. Making up wild theories may help you cope with his death better, but you're never gonna have any cold hard evidence saying he's alive (you'll just be like naz and his crazy "Tony is still alive" theories).

How ya doing, buddy?

And what's your cold hard evidence that's he's dead?

Does the term "bullet proof vest" mean anything to you? He was shot in the chest. Not in the head. There's no way it was DEFINATELY a fatal shot.

Does the term "Mob Boss" mean anything? All mob bosses have ties to the government.

If he's dead, he's dead. But they left this open in case they need to bring him back(Like if fans show intrest in the character, they can bring him back) That's not possible with Veronica or Tweener. They both has visable(shown) shots to the head. Now unless I'm missing something here...Abruzzi wasn't shot in the head. And he could have been wearing a bullet proof vest.

Are you(Rockgamer) absolutely positivley certain that he's dead?

I just don't buy it. There's too many possibilities. One is enough. I've said three.

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Originally Posted by Chris James

Does the term "Mob Boss" mean anything? All mob bosses have ties to the government.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. How can someone even argue this?

For one thing, the Vice-President's brother was shot in the middle of an empty parking garage. Easily fake able, no witnesses.

Abruzzi, on the other hand, was shot in the open, within view of a few dozen government agents. You are honestly trying to say that after he was shot by a dozen of them, whether of not he was actually wearing a vest, (which is a pretty stupid assumption anyways. Why would someone wear a vest to sneak into a place where no one was expecting him?) that none of the dozens of people there noticed the lack of blood, the labored breathing(vest or not, it's going to hurt to get shot.) and the fact that he wasn't dead? Are you honestly saying that he set the whole thing up with the purpose of faking his death and he has all of those federal agents on his side?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Chris James

And what's your cold hard evidence that's he's dead?

Does the term "bullet proof vest" mean anything to you? He was shot in the chest. Not in the head. There's no way it was DEFINATELY a fatal shot.

No bulletproof vest can sustain that many shots to the same area and still be effective.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Chris James

And what's your cold hard evidence that's he's dead?

Does the term "bullet proof vest" mean anything to you? He was shot in the chest. Not in the head. There's no way it was DEFINATELY a fatal shot.

Did you watch the video again? I mean c'mon, you're acting as if the head is the only part where you can get shot and it can be fatal. Getting shot in the heart (which would involve aiming at the chest, which all the agents were), can be just as fatal (if not moreso) as being shot in the head.

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Does the term "Mob Boss" mean anything? All mob bosses have ties to the government.

What?

I wish I could tell you to stop believing all stereotypes are true, but I've never even heard of this being true of all mob bosses (real or fictional).

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If he's dead, he's dead. But they left this open in case they need to bring him back(Like if fans show intrest in the character, they can bring him back) That's not possible with Veronica or Tweener. They both has visable(shown) shots to the head. Now unless I'm missing something here...Abruzzi wasn't shot in the head. And he could have been wearing a bullet proof vest.

No offense to Peter Stormare, but if he was really that popular, they just never would have killed him off in the first place. I mean, he was the only main credited cast member from last year (of the prisoners, anyway) that's been billed as a guest star for this season, so they probably had plans from the beginning of the season to kill him off.

And about the bulletproof vest, it's not like it's designed to take simultaneous semi-automatic gunfire, so do you really think it could withstand all that (and that's if you actually believe he was wearing one, which you have no proof of)? It's not like it's some type of magical device that can withstand all bullets.

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Are you(Rockgamer) absolutely positivley certain that he's dead?

YES! That's what I've been trying to tell you!

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I just don't buy it. There's too many possibilities. One is enough. I've said three.

And they're all wrong.

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I JUST watched episode 1 of season 1, just to reiterate and quote what I've been saying.

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Michael: If you were to get out of here, beyond these walls, would you have the people set in place to dissapear forever?

Abruzzi just gives him a stern look and walks away.

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Does that mean, no he doesn't? No. Abruzzi had it all set up. I guarentee...positively...that John Abruzzi will be back.

To answer CloudNine's question...yes...I am saying that all the governments officials and Mahone had connections to Abruzzi.

The writers of this show have you all locked in to the fact that he died. That's what they WANT to you think. Now, think outside the box. Why wouldn't they shoot for his head? They shot for Veronica's. Mahone shot for Tweeners. Hrmm?

Rockgamer...I said that he was a guest star way up there too. I said he was not cast in season 2, and so WHEN he returns in season 3...he WILL return in a big way...or shall I go quote it myself?

This still goes back to my ORIGINAL statement, that Abruzzi wanted to drop off the face of the earth. And like I said...how do you do that? You fake your own death.

I'll keep repeating myself until next September when season 3 begins if I must.

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And they filmed Season 2 what...during the summer? The season premiere of season 2 drew in more viewers than the season premiere OR season finale of season 1. The producers would not have known if the viewers liked Abruzzi...or Tweener(I was beginning to grow to like him too) and they probably planned on killing them(amoung others coming) before they could judge what the fans wanted.

(EDIT**...They never showed Nick take a lethal shot either in the season finale either. Abruzzi had ties to Nick.)

I know for a fact I watched the last two episodes of season 1, and thats all I watched(Until I bought season 1 on DVD) and I got hooked. And when I saw how intricate of a part that Abruzzi had in season 1, thus my conspiracy. He can be if you want to look at it this way, the secondary character in the show between Michael and Lincoln respectivley.

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Originally Posted by Chris James

I JUST watched episode 1 of season 1, just to reiterate and quote what I've been saying.

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Michael: If you were to get out of here, beyond these walls, would you have the people set in place to dissapear forever?

Abruzzi just gives him a stern look and walks away.

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Does that mean, no he doesn't? No. Abruzzi had it all set up. I guarentee...positively...that John Abruzzi will be back.

Yeah, he did have people to help him disappear when he got outside the walls. They even showed them to us. They were the Mafia. But since one of them betrayed him, he wound up getting screwed, which led to his death.

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The writers of this show have you all locked in to the fact that he died. That's what they WANT to you think. Now, think outside the box. Why wouldn't they shoot for his head? They shot for Veronica's. Mahone shot for Tweeners. Hrmm?

Actually, Mahone didn't shoot Tweener in the head, he shot him in the neck (video here). So I guess by your standards he isn't dead either.

Okay, now you think inside the box for a minute. Why would they shoot for his head? If all those FBI agents shot for his head, it would have exploded and there would have been blood everywhere. Aside from the fact that this is on FOX, and not HBO (where they could show something like that), why would they want to blow his face off beyond recognition?

Abruzzi was in a different situation than Nick, Veronica, Tweener, or anyone who has been shot on this show. All those people were shot by one person with a pistol, so a head shot might have been necessary. Abruzzi, on the other hand, was shot by over half a dozen people with semi-automatic weapons, so you wouldn't even need a head shot to take him down.

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This still goes back to my ORIGINAL statement, that Abruzzi wanted to drop off the face of the earth. And like I said...how do you do that? You fake your own death.

Terrance Steadman faked his own death, yet was still found, so that's not necessarily true.

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And they filmed Season 2 what...during the summer? The season premiere of season 2 drew in more viewers than the season premiere OR season finale of season 1. The producers would not have known if the viewers liked Abruzzi...or Tweener(I was beginning to grow to like him too) and they probably planned on killing them(amoung others coming) before they could judge what the fans wanted.

Okay, but they had all that time in season 1 to see how fans liked him, so that's not an excuse. Also, even though the premiere of season 2 had ratings, almost every episode since has been getting lower and lower, so most of those new fans probably didn't stick around.

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(EDIT**...They never showed Nick take a lethal shot either in the season finale either. Abruzzi had ties to Nick.)

You apparently still don't know the definition of lethal.

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I know for a fact I watched the last two episodes of season 1, and thats all I watched(Until I bought season 1 on DVD) and I got hooked. And when I saw how intricate of a part that Abruzzi had in season 1, thus my conspiracy. He can be if you want to look at it this way, the secondary character in the show between Michael and Lincoln respectivley.

Well, I've watched this show since the very first time it came on TV, and in addition to that, I've bought and watched the DVDs as well. So while apparently you have some type of hard-on for Abruzzi that makes you want to believe that he's still alive, all the rest of us realize he's dead and have moved on.

And just because you're trying to make him seem more important than he was in season 1 (like he wasn't just supposed to be Michael's plane bitch) doesn't mean he's actually was important. And besides, you'd have to be stupid not to realize that the secondary character in season 1 was Veronica, as she had almost as much screen time as Michael did (as opposed to Abruzzi, who was gone for half the season).

But really, you're not really addressing most of the points I bring up, and overall you're acting like an idiot. I'm not even going to respond to you after this, because it's not even worth it. Keep acting crazy if you want, but please don't do it here anymore, because you're bringing down the quality of this thread.

How ya doing, buddy?

You are an idiot to assume that he has ties to the entire FBI like that. If he wanted to fake his death, he would have done so in a much more descrete way that is much easier to cover up. Not in front of a few dozen FBI agents in broad daylight while he is on the way the hotel of the person who put him in prison. You keep saying he was a 'mob boss' and that he's too smart to do something like that. I say that if it happened the way that you keep saying it did, it makes him a pretty idiotic person.

Like Rockgamer said above, he did have connections to disappear forever. Those connections flew away down the runway in season 1.

If he apparently has that high of government connections, he wouldn't have been in prison in the first place. Even disregarding that and he somehow does end up in prison, no smart person uses there contacts to 'disappear' in front of a few dozen agents. It doesn't make any sense for someone that is supposedly so intelligent.

Abruzzi's role in the story has been played out now that his connections are no longer any good to Michael. There would be no point in bringing him back. He is gone. Get over it.

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Sorry Chris, but you're completely delusional. Abruzzi is gone.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by RockgamerXIII

(you'll just be like naz and his crazy "Tony is still alive" theories).

And while I'm at it, I'm gonna go ahead and say David Palmer aka Big Brown Bear aka Gigantasaurus aka D-Palm aka Dennis Haysbert is still alive. How you might ask? Space ninja time warp voodoo magic. 'Nuf said.

Abruzzi migh be dead (maybe), but you'll never kill off german engineering. A couple dozen bullet wounds to the body ain't gonna stop it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Thrik

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But..But... he could have had blood packets hidden underneath his jacket timed to explode when they shot at him. You know, to fake out all the people watching. Even though they are all on his payroll. But it doesn't matter. HES ALIVE.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Damn straight.

Okay...who is to ever doubt a television show?

No...seriously.

Who says that someone is dead?

Who really challenges television shows now a days?

If they decide its time for Peter Stomrare, John Abruzzi, to come back. That he did magically live (Ya know...like the tim he got his throat frickin sliced open and couldnt stop bleeding cause he's a hemopheliac, or something like that) then what really stops him from coming back? Just the fact that he got shot by semi automatic weapons to the chest?

No wait...no one answer that because I know I'm right.

If in season 3,...they want to cast him to return nothing can stop that because they'll explain it all and every single person who guarenteed he is dead would feel pretty dumb.

Why? Because its a cliff hanger tv show.

End. Of. Story.

Because I'm not feeling too dumb for saying its a possibility they bring him back down the road, and yes, explain how he survived.

Hrm?

How ya doing, buddy?

Directed towards Chris, drop the line of discussion or you'll be met with a thread ban. Go ahead and keep whatever theories you want, but it's not an option to drive your argument into the ground when you otherwise fail to sway a single person.

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Ok, Chris: let's assume he's alive as you say, and that Mahone told him someone turned on him just as an act for any possible passer by who might have overheard what happened there...

Why would he *want* to come back? If he did that to disappear off the face of the Earth, he was damn successful, what motivation could he have to return in any season at all? He accomplished his goal. In any case they might show him in the last episode of the series being alive somewhere, just for people to know, but that's it.

I don't think there's going to be a third season... at least I hope so, but this is FOX, so...

By the way, you might want to go to the discussion page on his Wikipedia article too... it says "Current Status: Deceased".

Is Abruzzi's fate all we're going to talk about until Prison Break returns? I wanted to know what people thought about Haywire's Holland plan.

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Ratner said it was made to be three seasons before it even started.

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1) Wikipedia = unreliable. They try to keep it accurate as much as possible...but people can go in an edit it as much as they want. And right now...he is dead on the show. They're not going to say Status: Alive(Or not say he's not dead) because ACCORDING to the show...he died...

okay moving on...

Ratner said that there were three seasons all written(Before they even started filming the first season)...as the FIRST part of a trilogy.

So does that mean they're planning on nine seasons? I dont know what he meant by that. Three seasons as the first part of a trilogy?

Also...*theory* Peter Stormare shall appear on The 4400 in their next season. Hahaha...

If he seriously makes a guest apperance for some weird reason...I'll make sure to come back here and mark out. >.<

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Haywire's Holland plan?

We all know that he's going to start with this...no...that stick.

And some jerky.

::shrugs::

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by BZ

Ratner said it was made to be three seasons before it even started.

Oh, yes, I checked on IMDB and it says it's three seasons... most unfortunate, for I can't imagine what can happen in a third season. It means that the remaining 13 episodes won't be enough to exonerate Lincoln and expose the conspiracy?

Originally Posted by Chris James

If he seriously makes a guest apperance for some weird reason...I'll make sure to come back here and mark out. >.<

Just to make it clear: it doesn't count if his appearance is in a flashback, when he *was* alive.

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I missed the first ten minutes of the show and, therefore, determined that watching the rest would be pointless. So, could someone PM me if they know of an encore presentation or a way to watch it online?

I was speaking idiomatically.