YOU DON'T FUCK WITH YODA

TESB is still my favourite of the three.

This would normally then be followed by ROTJ... until Lucas decided to "modify" it in the same way the Michael Jackson decided to "modify" his nose (overboard fiddling = bad ... I still don't quite see why Anakin's ghost was the young annoying version... stupid stupid stupid ... and just how much longer do the celebrations need to be... and I LIKED the old Ewok song ... At least he still left in "It's a trap!" )

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Yeah, that sinister grin is so out of place compared to the warm smile of older Anakin, and I actually prefer the original Ewok music myself to the generic forest celebration music.

Anyways, ESB sits atop the mountain for me as not just a great Star Wars movie, but a great movie period. After that I think I'll go with the order of ESB, ANH, ROTJ. Even though ROTJ does have the great throne room scenes (possibly my favorite stuff out of the entire trilogy), as well as the awesome space battle, I have mixed feelings on everything else. The Jabba stuff feels a bit dragged out to me, the idea of Ewoks being able to defeat an entire legion of the Emperor's "best troops" is a bit farfetched, and the revelation of Leia being Luke's sister didn't quite create the reaction I was expecting (but it still works thanks to John Williams, of course). In any case, it's still a movie I enjoy quite a bit, and I think it was a good end to the original trilogy, so I'm not with the group of people who would suggest that it's worse than the prequels.

Originally Posted by WolfDemon

The Empire knew what they were dealing with against the Rebels; they should have sent an AT-AT or two and everything would've been fine.

There was actually an AT-AT on Endor. You see it outside the base at night just before Luke surrenders to Vader. Of course, it seems to conveniently disappear by morning. Maybe they only had it there for the purpose of guarding Vader or something.

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WAIT WAIT WAIT

Lucas went back to Return of the Jedi, took out the Blue Anakin spirit bastard, the old man, and brought in Hayden whatever his name is from the more recent Star Wars movies? WTF!?

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My God no. What else did he do on that level?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Instead of just seeing the rebels and Ewoks celebrating at the end of ROTJ, you also see shots of Corusant and Naboo celebrating, despite the fact that those places were never referenced or seen in the OT.

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I didn't mind so much that they changed his eye/eyebrow color to match Hayden's, I actually thought it was kinda cool. But that ghost version of him was just stupid. If I were Luke I'd be like "Who the hell is that, and why is he smiling at me."

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If I were Obi Wan or Yoda, I would've wondered why the hell Anakin gets to look young in the afterlife while I look old.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I've heard that the reasoning behind the young Anakin ghost is that that was his appearance when he "died" as Anakin and became Vader.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

There's any number of ways to justify it. It was still better as it was, though. Old Anakin looked like a benevolent ghost, whereas Hayden's ghost just makes me feel the same "note furrowed brows for anger" vibe I got from every moment of the prequel trilogy.

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I`m assuming there`s no SW discussion thread, so...

Is there any official explanation as to why some Jedis (Obi Wan, Yoda) vanish at death and others, like Vader and Qui Gon, leave behind their body?

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Yoda knew a technique of death that involved fading into the force, which he promised at the end of Episode III to teach Obi-Wan. Therefore, Obi-wan knew the technique during his death as well.

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I picked ROTJ, ANH, ESB...pretty much against what everyone I know thinks, as well as what the IMDB ratings think. I'd pick this just about the same way for soundtrack-wise,...and I tend to rate films this way. I don't know why it is, but that's the order in which I like them...

Originally Posted by OctoberOmicron

I`m assuming there`s no SW discussion thread, so...

Is there any official explanation as to why some Jedis (Obi Wan, Yoda) vanish at death and others, like Vader and Qui Gon, leave behind their body?

As part to Vader which wasn't addressed above, I don't think there's an official explanation, but it wouldn't be odd to me to think that only vader's suit was burned...as he became one with the force sometime before the funeral pyre...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by BurningRanger

Yoda knew a technique of death that involved fading into the force, which he promised at the end of Episode III to teach Obi-Wan. Therefore, Obi-wan knew the technique during his death as well.

I actually believed this for a minute... Mainly because I haven`t seen Episode III.

Well, I doubt his body faded a while after he died, Golden. Yoda and Obi Wan sure didn`t stick around long. And Qui Gon for sure got roasted. Maybe Lucas just didn`t care. Fucker.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by BurningRanger

Yoda knew a technique of death that involved fading into the force, which he promised at the end of Episode III to teach Obi-Wan. Therefore, Obi-wan knew the technique during his death as well.

Yoda, and Obi-wan, were both at peace when they died, whereas the other jedis were in the heat of battle. Yeah, I know that Obi-wan was fighting Vader, but he completely stopped, put away his lightsaber, and accepted his fate. In EPIV-VI the only remaining Jedi were Yoda and Obi-wan, so we could assume they were extremely powerful Jedi to have survived the Clone Wars and everything. (Before EPI, I used to think they were saying 'Cologne' wars, like Cologne was a location lol!) It makes sense from that standpoint.

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My favorites are ROJT, ANH, ESB. RotJ was definitely the most efficient movie. Since they didn't need to spend time on "set-up," there was no wasted film. Scenes either moved the story forward, contained action, revealed important plot points, etc. ANH was obviously all about set-up, so any "dead space" could be forgiven. In ESB, I felt like the Hoth scenes before the battle were somewhat just dead space, plot-wise. Also, much of the Cloud City sequences felt like empty space (comparatively). By comparison, RotJ seemed much tighter.

I find the anti-Ewok-Emo-angst interesting. In ANH, we experience a mainly human world, except for the Cantina. (Think about it - the Cantina is the most memorable local from ANH by far.) Then, in ESB, we also experience a mostly human world. When Luke goes to Dagobah he experiences an alien land. However, the only "alien" he meets is Yoda. It isn't until RotJ, where our first major sequence deals with the alien culture of the Hutts, and ends immersed in the alien culture of the Ewoks, that a SW film truly deals with the idea that there whole civilizations out there besides humans. This is hinted at through shortcuts, such as the Cantina scene, where aliens are "seen but not heard," but RotJ is the first SW movie where aliens are truly "heard." Chewbacca is an "alien," true. Also, C3PO and R2D2 are also aliens. But I'm talking about portrayal on a large scale: portrayal of a civilization, a culture.

I find it interesting that the Star Wars fan culture had such a negative reaction to EP1 in light of this. EP1 was all about alien cultures. The Naboo, the Gungans, the Droids, the culmination of the Galactic civilization in the form of the Empirial Senate... It's almost like SW fans don't like aliens. Which is weird, since SW is set, obviously, in outer-space where there are supposed to be aliens.

That's the first I had really thought of things in that light, so these ideas aren't fleshed-out yet...

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Originally Posted by speculative

I find it interesting that the Star Wars fan culture had such a negative reaction to EP1 in light of this. EP1 was all about alien cultures. The Naboo, the Gungans, the Droids, the culmination of the Galactic civilization in the form of the Empirial Senate... It's almost like SW fans don't like aliens. Which is weird, since SW is set, obviously, in outer-space where there are supposed to be aliens.

Because what you're talking about doesn't make the movie. The core characters do. People don't like Jake Lloyd as young Anakin and they don't like the exaggerated antics of Jar Jar Binks. I personally don't like the stilted performances from Qui-Gon (though it works okay for Liam Neeson, seeing as how he's always like that), Ben, and almost everyone else. It seemed like you had two extremes. The silly Gungans and the stuffy Jedi order. Speaking of the Jedi order, you don't get the warm feeling from Ben and Yoda in the PT like you did in the OT. Instead you get some sort of overly rigid hierarchical command structure with the Jedi council, which only serves to ruin any potential attachment to the characters. That's something I felt was improved in Episode II (and Episode III), though it seems like most folks consider it the worst of the PT. I actually enjoyed it more than Episode I because the characters seemed to emote better. Even if Hayden did go overboard during the love scenes, at least it was something compared to the dry well that was Episode I. And C3PO as well as R2-D2 only seemed to be present in the PT as pure fan service. I didn't feel like they were part of the group like they were in the old movies. Especially C3PO, who just doesn't seem to work without someone like Han Solo counteracting his constant worrying. Finally, Episode I tries to create a multiple front conflict like ROTJ, but it doesn't work as well, because we don't know the characters or places as well. So like everything else in that movie, you get the impression that they were trying too hard. Still, even if Episode III might be the best of the PT, it doesn't quite find that balance between campy and dramatic than the OT consistently had. The Emperor was actually pretty creepy in ROTJ, but he often feels more like comic relief in ROTS (making it fun to root for the Emperor, heh heh; especially when you have Padme on the other end idioticallly "losing the will to live" and Samuel L. Jackson acting like the Jedi version of Shaft), what with his more flamboyant attitude.

Oh, and fancy costumes aside, the Naboo are pretty much human.

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I think the Ewok hate can be explained in my post above.

Originally Posted by WolfDemon

Teddy bears should not be able to defeat an AT-ST. Period.

I don't think it's so much the fact that they're aliens that people don't like them. It's that they're stupid as hell aliens, some of which could actually be offensive.

The Ewoks are a group of Care Bears who use sticks and rocks as weapons, who somehow are able to defeat ARMYS OF STORMTROOPERS WITH BLASTERS AND MECHA.

Don't the people of Naboo sound an awful lot like the Japanese to you? (Nothing against the Japanese. I can just see how they might be offended.) Also, they're a useless race. Lightsaber fodder, as we saw in Ep III.

And I know at least a few Jamaicans were pissed off about the Gungans. Those floppy ears are basically dreadlocks, they have that accent, I'm surprised there wasn't some sort of banquet scene where they all smoke space pot and play those metal bowl drum things. Besides, one Jar Jar Binks is bad enough. Do we really need a whole planet of him?

As for the force spirit thing, none of what was said explains how Anakin was able to get a force ghost. Qui Gon apparently knew about it and told Yoda, who then told Obi Wan in Ep III, but no one told Anakin.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well, Ewoks didn't kill all that many Stormtroopers...

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Remember when that one Ewok cradles his fallen comrade? That touched me deep. Real deep... Really.

REALLY I SAID.

When I saw parts of those Star Wars TV movies with that ugly little blond kid and that faggot Ewok... I think his name was something Warwick, it made ROTJ even worse for me. Even if it wasn`t the same movie. I vaguely remember something about a river that magically trapped some punk undernearth. UNTIL THEY USED THE MAGIC LASSO.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.