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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:29 PM #1 of 49
Montreal's Columbine

So some random "punk" in a trenchcoat shot up a bunch of people at the Dawson College CEGEP today. The police perimeter is HUGE. They even shut down a large portion of the Metro (subway). The gunman was killed by the police and reports say that a 20 year old girl was shot in the head and died of her injuries in the hospital. I luckily don't know anybody that attended the school.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ts-dawson.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5343714.stm

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:31 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 04:31 PM #2 of 49
Just heard about it on the news.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:35 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 03:35 PM #3 of 49
Bet you 10 bux it takes a day for someone to jump on it and blame video games.

Actually, scratch that. I'm sure the media, somewhere, already has.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:35 PM #4 of 49
This is the first Ive seen of it. Very tragic anytime something like this happens.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:41 PM #5 of 49
They've just confirmed the death of the girl. Some guy called his mother and said "Mom, I think I'm going to die. I was shot in the chest." This sucks.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:55 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 11:55 PM #6 of 49
Originally Posted by Devo
If someone new goes out on a killing spree, I hope they wear Burberry or pink. I'm tired of this "punk black trench-coat" trend in murders. Especially since the media just rolls with it and attempts to blame music/movies/video games that must have influenced them.
Too true, but sadly it seems just saying the person was unstable doesn't make for good media sensationalism!

I was very suprised when I learned this was in Canada, it may have been just Micheal Moores rambling but I was under the impression the country had next-to-no gun crimes.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 05:58 PM #7 of 49
Originally Posted by Unas
Too true, but sadly it seems just saying the person was unstable doesn't make for good media sensationalism!

I was very suprised when I learned this was in Canada, it may have been just Micheal Moores rambling but I was under the impression the country had next-to-no gun crimes.
We do have very few gun crimes, especially in Montreal. I can't remember the last time that I heard about a shooting in the city. The last murder that I remember was some dude stabbing his father a few weeks ago.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:02 PM #8 of 49
Isnt the "whoa is me, they're blaming the media," discussion a little overdone by now.

We know theyre gonna blame violent videogames, metal music, adult swim television programming, and completely overlook the bad parenting and mental state of the kid doing the shooting.

What if the kid was infulenced by these things? What if he wasnt? Who cares. This discussion has been dragged through the dirt countless times. The only difference is that it happened in Canada this time.

Ill never understand why people get so bent out of shape because a bunch of politicians wanna have a hissy fit over what our kids have access to in the media.

So your precious little videogames are being mistaken for murder simulators. Its not like there gonna take them away from us. If your able to purchase these games then your already an adult. That means your still gonna be able to get them irregardless of what they say about them.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:16 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 04:16 PM #9 of 49
Dude... I just saw that on BBC. This is...

Oh well. My condolances go out to the victim's family and fully await as the media turns this into a blame war.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:19 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 06:19 PM #10 of 49
It is always rough to have a shooting, and the worst are always where violence is so minimal and unheard of.

I remember at my high school, around 95', a freshmen shot another freshmen over something obscenely stupid. The freshmen who pulled the trigger immediately had the shit beat out of him, and his gun removed from him, but the victim died.

In 94', again at my high school, there was this senior known as White Seed. He took a machette to a dude's head, and cut two others in the chest. Like the freshmen, he also had the shit kicked out of him pretty fast.

You never really get used to this type of violence. It's always a sad tragedy.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:42 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 08:42 PM #11 of 49
About the whole 'blaming' issue, the media, in Quebec at least, isn't as convulated or trigger-happy as in the United States. Close, but not yet.

Maybe now Harper, Bush's little puppet, will look at the whole gun law he screwed up when he came into office and finally change it.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:52 PM #12 of 49
Ya... I don't think the Quebec media cares too much about blaming videogames or what not. I doubt Quebecers care too much about the incident either.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 06:54 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 04:54 PM #13 of 49
Well, this certainly sucks. I'm glad the police response in Montreal was alot better than the Jefferson County guys during Columbine. So was the gunman a former student or just a crazy sick fuck?

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Sep 13, 2006, 07:00 PM #14 of 49
We don't know anything about the gunman other than what I wrote. There may have been more than one shooter.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 07:08 PM #15 of 49
I've heard of it a bit earlier; just after I came back from school, I got a call from my father and eventually he told me about this. I didn't know someone has been killed though.

I'm not sure if I'm glad or not the shooter's been killed, though. On one hand, he died, and knowing our legal system he might not have gotten life imprisonment, but on the other hand, I really don't feel a death like this one is "right".

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 07:10 PM #16 of 49
The police were just doing their job. To be honest, I would have preferred it if he had not been killed. That way he could have been sent to prison and suffered for the rest of his life. I have no sympathy at all for fuckers like that.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 07:47 PM #17 of 49
Yeah, well, that's essentially my opinion too, but as I've said, him spending the rest of his life in jail wouldn't have necessarily happened.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 08:08 PM #18 of 49
Oh boy, you can be sure when I heard about this, I had to know who got shot, I know a bunch of people who go to Dawson.. A friend of mine was shot today, called their family, found out. He'll make it, but I can be sure it was a very rough experience.. Right here too. Really sucks. Not much else to say, the news is just repeating the same info cause no new details sprung up.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 08:30 PM #19 of 49
Shit. You doing ok Turbo?

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 08:32 PM #20 of 49
Yeah. She's fine so I should really stop worrying... but its hard. You read all this shit on the news, but you dont expect it to happen.. especialy not HERE... but I s'pose theres morons in every part of the world.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 09:17 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 11:47 PM #21 of 49
Originally Posted by Devo
This is a surprise coming from Canada, I rarely hear about someone up there going on a killing spree.
It's rare, which is why it makes the news like this when it DOES happen.

Though lest we forget, Montréal is already the site of what is probably Canada's most infamous shooting rampage, when 14 female students were murdered at École Polytechnique in 1989. That was my first thought when I heard about this shooting; "Shit, is some fuckwit doing a replay of the Montréal Massacre?" Time will tell what his (possibly their?) motives were, I guess.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 09:19 PM #22 of 49
Or not Amanda. The shooter is kind of dead. . .

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 09:28 PM Local time: Sep 13, 2006, 11:58 PM #23 of 49
Originally Posted by Mucknuggle
Or not Amanda. The shooter is kind of dead. . .
Uh, you do realise that spree killers leave behind friends, family, suicide notes, websites, and plenty of other things for the police to piece together their motives, right? This guy didn't just walk out of a magic portal and start shooting people. He had a history, he had family and friends, he had a life, and if he's anything like the typical spree killer, they're going to find more than enough hints there about what drove him to this.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 09:34 PM #24 of 49
Unless he left a note explaining why, all we can do is speculate based on what people that knew him say.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 09:59 PM #25 of 49
School shooters usually do leave journals, hints, or paper trails a mile long as to their motives. When in that state of mind, I'd be suprised if he was careful enough to not spill everything at somepoint. People simply weren't smart enough to piece together the clues beforehand.

Kind of off topic, I'm always amazed at the photography work in non-American media. The picture in the CBC link actually shows a dead body with blood. Which reminds me of a BBC story about a random axe murder in the street that showed the victim in a pool of blood. Not that I'm offended or anything, it just amazes me how conservative and easily offended my society is.

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